| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast 15:08 - Jun 9 with 8617 views | noggin |
and planned anti immigrant protests tonight. If true, I fear it could get nasty. This really couldn't have come at a worse time for the UK. [Post edited 9 Jun 15:13]
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 07:45 - Jun 10 with 1015 views | StokieBlue |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 07:37 - Jun 10 by waveneyblue |
No, im stating that every single "debate" (its never a debate) on these topics go the same way on here.
Anyone who tries to disagree or show theres a middle ground gets ridiculed and pushed about by you and your peers.
Don't worry, soon nobody will bother and you can all enjoy each other's company in peace. |
How can there be a debate if he refuses to clarify his meaning. He repeated the same thing about 4 times whilst refusing to clarify.
That's on him, not everyone else. You're just seeing that you what to see because you've got some very weird ideas about the forum.
Once again, not all views are equal, you really need to stop pushing the false equivalence fallacy all over the forum, it's not a good look at all.
SB [Post edited 10 Jun 7:46]
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 07:50 - Jun 10 with 971 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 07:20 - Jun 10 by TownieRob |
I think you've rather proved my point for me. I wished everyone well and said there was little value in continuing the debate. Your response was to immediately demand a detailed explanation of my views so we could carry on arguing.
That's exactly why I bowed out in the first place.
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You do you.
But you act as if an impasse has been reached where both sides have said their piece and put it all out there and will never agree. I was correcting that, you haven't really said much, and giving you the opportunity to sum up your points neatly as you bow out.
You don't need to argue, you don't need to attempt to get a point across, but you seem to want to, up to a point. Why not that last step?
As I say, to each there own, I wish you good luck and a good day, just dipping in and out of this thread I don't really get it and I would like to.
Stay safe. |  | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 07:53 - Jun 10 with 933 views | waveneyblue |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 07:45 - Jun 10 by StokieBlue |
How can there be a debate if he refuses to clarify his meaning. He repeated the same thing about 4 times whilst refusing to clarify.
That's on him, not everyone else. You're just seeing that you what to see because you've got some very weird ideas about the forum.
Once again, not all views are equal, you really need to stop pushing the false equivalence fallacy all over the forum, it's not a good look at all.
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Is pushing, probing, goading and ridiculing posters who dont share the same extreme views as you a good look ?
Sorry, I really struggle with the self imposed rules you set on here. [Post edited 10 Jun 7:55]
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 07:56 - Jun 10 with 939 views | vapour_trail |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 07:42 - Jun 10 by ArnoldMoorhen |
If the protestors want to rid Belfast of all the murderers who have slaughtered people as they were shopping, they probably need to focus on their own communities first. |
The British Army would like a word. |  |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 08:07 - Jun 10 with 901 views | TheMoralMajority |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 07:53 - Jun 10 by waveneyblue |
Is pushing, probing, goading and ridiculing posters who dont share the same extreme views as you a good look ?
Sorry, I really struggle with the self imposed rules you set on here. [Post edited 10 Jun 7:55]
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Ahhh. Stokie's an extremist now. That's good to know. |  |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 08:32 - Jun 10 with 838 views | bluejacko |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 07:42 - Jun 10 by ArnoldMoorhen |
If the protestors want to rid Belfast of all the murderers who have slaughtered people as they were shopping, they probably need to focus on their own communities first. |
It might have escaped your notice but by and large at the moment it’s live and let live both sides of the divide👍
However last night both catholics and Protestants were on the streets and mainly peacefully. |  | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 08:32 - Jun 10 with 837 views | MattinLondon |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 08:07 - Jun 10 by TheMoralMajority |
Ahhh. Stokie's an extremist now. That's good to know. |
Speaking about extremists - absolute scum targeted people because of their skin colour.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/liv |  | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 08:32 - Jun 10 with 837 views | Jon_456 |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 07:07 - Jun 10 by Axeldalai_lama |
"those on here have their views and I have mine"
So what are your views? I think that's the main point. Everyone clearly has the view that these attacks are heinous horrible and have no place in our society and should be condemned and stopped. Many on here think they are used to whip up racial tensions unnecessarily and that there is already much being done, which stats back up, to reduce and stop these attacks.
So apart from saying what we are all saying, that it's horrible and needs to stop, what exactly is your differing opinion, for those at the back loud and clear? Thanks.
Take care and have a good day. |
I’d take a guess that for a lot of people, stricter immigration policies would be a good start to prevent this from happening again.
People can share stories and statistics of stabbings or other crimes by British nationals, but how often do we see British people trying to behead random people in the streets? | | | |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 08:38 - Jun 10 with 800 views | giant_stow |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 08:32 - Jun 10 by Jon_456 |
I’d take a guess that for a lot of people, stricter immigration policies would be a good start to prevent this from happening again.
People can share stories and statistics of stabbings or other crimes by British nationals, but how often do we see British people trying to behead random people in the streets? |
Read this on Owen Jones twitter earlier as it happens:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk- |  |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 08:43 - Jun 10 with 757 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 22:19 - Jun 9 by StokieBlue |
SYL has been busy.
Stirring up the trouble we are seeing in Belfast:
"Those playing a pivotal role in the spread of the footage on Elon Musk’s X included the far-right activist known as Tommy Robinson, fresh from a meeting this week at a sumptuous Moscow hotel with the billionaire’s father.
X eventually placed age-related restrictions and a warning on the video shared by Robinson, but by Tuesday afternoon it had more than 52,000 views, while full and uncensored versions were still easy to find across the platform.
Robinson posted details of planned demonstrations across Britain and Northern Ireland on the platform, which Elon Musk shared to his 240 million followers."
https://www.theguardian.com/po
Whilst being in Russia and saying this:
"Contacted by the Guardian and asked why he had travelled to Moscow, Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, said: “I’ve come to see how this country got itself so well on to the straight and narrow and see the beauty of a civilised society here.”
“Russia is not the enemy of Britain. That narrative has long since died a natural death. There are those who benefit from pushing Russia as an enemy but everyone laughs at those people now.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk
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Can’t we revoke his citizenship and deny him entry to the country, like we’ve done for other terrorist supporters/facilitators? Shamima Begum springs to mind. SYL is a greater threat to the UK than she is (not that I’m condoning what she did). |  |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 08:43 - Jun 10 with 748 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 07:53 - Jun 10 by waveneyblue |
Is pushing, probing, goading and ridiculing posters who dont share the same extreme views as you a good look ?
Sorry, I really struggle with the self imposed rules you set on here. [Post edited 10 Jun 7:55]
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The World is flat. Just saying.
Well that's me done. |  |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 08:47 - Jun 10 with 736 views | DJR |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 08:32 - Jun 10 by bluejacko |
It might have escaped your notice but by and large at the moment it’s live and let live both sides of the divide👍
However last night both catholics and Protestants were on the streets and mainly peacefully. |
Maybe Catholics as well as Protestants did protest peacefully but it went way beyond that, and if protests in the last couple of years are anything to go by, in Northern Ireland such violence (i.e. that aimed at "foreigners") tends to take place in Loyalist areas.
This from the BBC.
Houses, cars, and a bus were set on fire in Belfast last night in a night of violence that followed a knife attack on Monday
One pastor in north Belfast says black people's homes were targeted, while an MP tells the BBC there was a "race-based pogrom"
On one street, hundreds of masked men carrying bottles and bricks set bins on fire and shouted "foreigners out", our reporter says
Northern Ireland's First Minister Michelle O'Neill says "groups of masked men" were "burning families out of their homes"
In County Antrim, an African family living in the area for 20 years moved after their windows were smashed - while a Ukrainian teenager in Belfast escaped after her family's front door caught fire
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 08:52 - Jun 10 with 698 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 07:42 - Jun 10 by ArnoldMoorhen |
If the protestors want to rid Belfast of all the murderers who have slaughtered people as they were shopping, they probably need to focus on their own communities first. |
I don’t think that’s a particularly helpful comment. Whilst there are still tensions between the two communities in the north of an Ireland, peace walls, segregation in education etc, the country has come a long way since the troubles thanks to the Good Friday Agreement. |  |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 08:54 - Jun 10 with 694 views | TheMoralMajority |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 08:32 - Jun 10 by Jon_456 |
I’d take a guess that for a lot of people, stricter immigration policies would be a good start to prevent this from happening again.
People can share stories and statistics of stabbings or other crimes by British nationals, but how often do we see British people trying to behead random people in the streets? |
I would not say that beheadings are a particular common phenomena. 1 attempted beheading is 1 too many imho.
However, in answer to your question;
how often do we see British people trying to behead random people in the streets?
I would say that, fortunately, not often. But then I'd counter that the same response would be given to the question "How often do we see anyone trying to behead random people in the streets?" | |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 08:59 - Jun 10 with 649 views | Jon_456 |
Fair, and rightly sentenced.
I think if anything it highlights we have enough of our own lunatics to deal with without encouraging more from third world countries. | | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 09:02 - Jun 10 with 627 views | DJR |
Nothing to see here. Move along.  | | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 09:04 - Jun 10 with 609 views | StokieBlue |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 07:53 - Jun 10 by waveneyblue |
Is pushing, probing, goading and ridiculing posters who dont share the same extreme views as you a good look ?
Sorry, I really struggle with the self imposed rules you set on here. [Post edited 10 Jun 7:55]
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None of that is happening.
For about the 100th time, not all opinions are equal and the fact you think they are is the issue here. It's demonstrably untrue as I showed you previously.
Challenging things that are pushed as equivalent in a "but both sides" narrative is absolutely the right thing to do. The fact you think it isn't is the worrying thing here and once again highlights what a right state the country is in. It's a clear attempt to silence the difficult questions.
You think I have "extreme views"?
Wow.
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 09:06 - Jun 10 with 592 views | grow_our_own |
One of the reasons there's so much heat around individual incidents like this is due to the absence of ethnicity and national-origin of perpetrators in knife-crime stats. Fascists like Yaxley-Lennon are free to join disparate dots and end up drawing a picture that fits their prejudice rather than reality. To fix the causes of crime, knowledge of all types of commonality is needed. If we're neglecting to collect ethnicity/national-origin data for the same rationale as the Henry Novak first responder used: accusations of racism trumps all, then changing that would be the biggest positive to come out of this. Right now, we can't positively refute Yaxley-Lennon because we haven't bothered collecting the information. [Post edited 10 Jun 9:09]
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 09:16 - Jun 10 with 542 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 08:32 - Jun 10 by Jon_456 |
I’d take a guess that for a lot of people, stricter immigration policies would be a good start to prevent this from happening again.
People can share stories and statistics of stabbings or other crimes by British nationals, but how often do we see British people trying to behead random people in the streets? |
There. That's a specific point being made, fair enough. Something that can be debated and looked at the merits and practicalities of.
Not this 'well we all know what's happening and no one can say anything and I'm not saying anything and it's a cover up maybe but we're not allowed to say what we're all thinking because of woke liberaties so I bid you good day'. | | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 09:34 - Jun 10 with 491 views | bluejacko |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 08:47 - Jun 10 by DJR |
Maybe Catholics as well as Protestants did protest peacefully but it went way beyond that, and if protests in the last couple of years are anything to go by, in Northern Ireland such violence (i.e. that aimed at "foreigners") tends to take place in Loyalist areas.
This from the BBC.
Houses, cars, and a bus were set on fire in Belfast last night in a night of violence that followed a knife attack on Monday
One pastor in north Belfast says black people's homes were targeted, while an MP tells the BBC there was a "race-based pogrom"
On one street, hundreds of masked men carrying bottles and bricks set bins on fire and shouted "foreigners out", our reporter says
Northern Ireland's First Minister Michelle O'Neill says "groups of masked men" were "burning families out of their homes"
In County Antrim, an African family living in the area for 20 years moved after their windows were smashed - while a Ukrainian teenager in Belfast escaped after her family's front door caught fire
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Let’s just wait for the actual reports today,not condoning the violence that did obviously occur but it was in very small areas and the majority of protests were peaceful.
Again no excuses but London Derry is no stranger to the odd riot by republicans,so it’s not just one side.
The fact that both communities were on the streets should indeed start to raise questions and worry the authorities. [Post edited 10 Jun 10:08]
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 09:51 - Jun 10 with 408 views | waveneyblue |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 09:04 - Jun 10 by StokieBlue |
None of that is happening.
For about the 100th time, not all opinions are equal and the fact you think they are is the issue here. It's demonstrably untrue as I showed you previously.
Challenging things that are pushed as equivalent in a "but both sides" narrative is absolutely the right thing to do. The fact you think it isn't is the worrying thing here and once again highlights what a right state the country is in. It's a clear attempt to silence the difficult questions.
You think I have "extreme views"?
Wow.
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Depends how you define extreme old boy.
I don't mean extremist or anything of that ilk obviously.
But you, along with many others on here, hold views that can be considered to others as extremely one sided.
Look forward to you telling me im wrong, using long words. | | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 09:56 - Jun 10 with 405 views | eireblue |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 09:51 - Jun 10 by waveneyblue |
Depends how you define extreme old boy.
I don't mean extremist or anything of that ilk obviously.
But you, along with many others on here, hold views that can be considered to others as extremely one sided.
Look forward to you telling me im wrong, using long words. |
Define extreme then.
Nobody can have a sensible discussion without a shared language.
Just like anything in life, you can’t do maths, play games, have competitions, without a baseline, otherwise I would win all chess games by punching my opponent. |  | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 09:57 - Jun 10 with 398 views | eireblue |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 09:34 - Jun 10 by bluejacko |
Let’s just wait for the actual reports today,not condoning the violence that did obviously occur but it was in very small areas and the majority of protests were peaceful.
Again no excuses but London Derry is no stranger to the odd riot by republicans,so it’s not just one side.
The fact that both communities were on the streets should indeed start to raise questions and worry the authorities. [Post edited 10 Jun 10:08]
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Shouldn’t that be the message to the protestors. | | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 10:15 - Jun 10 with 341 views | StokieBlue |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 09:51 - Jun 10 by waveneyblue |
Depends how you define extreme old boy.
I don't mean extremist or anything of that ilk obviously.
But you, along with many others on here, hold views that can be considered to others as extremely one sided.
Look forward to you telling me im wrong, using long words. |
You've done it again! Stop pushing false equivalence and "but both sides" rubbish. It's honestly a massive problem on here from those with a certain viewpoint.
I think that's about the tenth time you've had a go at me for using "long words". None of the words are complicated, if you don't understand them or the argument then you can improve yourself by looking them up.
It's not right to continually have a go at posters for the language they are using. It's your problem not theirs.
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 10:32 - Jun 10 with 275 views | noggin |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 08:59 - Jun 10 by Jon_456 |
Fair, and rightly sentenced.
I think if anything it highlights we have enough of our own lunatics to deal with without encouraging more from third world countries. |
How are 'we encouraging lunatics from 3rd world countries'? How could this attack have been prevented? | |
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