| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil 11:40 - Jun 15 with 3905 views | SmithersJones |
Joe put together a compelling case for GON based on his time at Bournemouth and his first season at Wolves. Have a listen as I can’t really do justice to it in the written form.
Can’t say I came away thinking he was the messiah (Gary, that is, not Joe) but can see the logic in it more than I could before. |  | | |  |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 11:41 - Jun 15 with 3576 views | LeoMuff |
Will have a listen as he was one I was quite adverse to. |  |
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| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 11:44 - Jun 15 with 3535 views | hype313 |
I understand the argument, especially with the Chris Hughton Brighton comparison i.e get someone in who can keep us in the league before the next appointment.
But, I don't know why, but I just get Tim Sherwood vibes from GON. |  |
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| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 11:49 - Jun 15 with 3457 views | soupytwist |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 11:44 - Jun 15 by hype313 |
I understand the argument, especially with the Chris Hughton Brighton comparison i.e get someone in who can keep us in the league before the next appointment.
But, I don't know why, but I just get Tim Sherwood vibes from GON. |
I think that there's a lot of sense in appointing someone who can just keep us in the league for a couple of seasons before going all 'trendy coach from a upper-middling German or Spanish club' to get us a cup win and/or lower European competition qualification.
If that's Gary O'Neill so be it. |  | | |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 11:51 - Jun 15 with 3402 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
He is probably the most logical name on the list (of realistic options).
Can't say it would excite me too much but it does make a bit of sense. |  |
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| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 11:51 - Jun 15 with 3398 views | Billywitch |
I like how he speaks, GON that is - as well as Joe of course.
I'd not be against the appointment | | | |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 11:52 - Jun 15 with 3392 views | StokieBlue |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 11:44 - Jun 15 by hype313 |
I understand the argument, especially with the Chris Hughton Brighton comparison i.e get someone in who can keep us in the league before the next appointment.
But, I don't know why, but I just get Tim Sherwood vibes from GON. |
I don't really get this argument.
Wasn't he already their manager, got them promoted and had all the players already in house and drilled to play the way he wanted?
I don't think the situations are remotely similar.
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| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 11:58 - Jun 15 with 3273 views | Bellevue_Blue |
My opinion but I just don't think you can overlook his last few months at Wolves.
He had 16 Premier League games with a squad far far more talented than ours. He won 2, drew 3 and lost 11 for 9 points.
In the next 16, his replacement Vítor Pereira won 8, drew 2 and lost 6 for 26 points.
I know Wolves are a basket case but he clearly lost the dressing room, he failed to motivate/ improve the players, he threw the ownership under the bus and he wasn't tactically good enough to win points against the teams better than them.
I just can't understand why would you take the risk that that was an isolated incident?
If he failed here, everyone would turn around in unison and go 'of course that was going to happen, look at what at happened with Wolves'. | | | |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 11:59 - Jun 15 with 3262 views | itfcjoe |
As mentioned, doesn't get my juices flowing, but think he is one of only names on the list who can point to comparable environment and demonstrate he has had success in it, and has done it twice.
I think it will be someone not being mentioned personally, either relatively novice, or someone we thought was out of our range, but with O'Neil the 'best' candidate of those there if wanting an evidence base to work from |  |
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| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 12:05 - Jun 15 with 3138 views | itfcjoe |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 11:58 - Jun 15 by Bellevue_Blue |
My opinion but I just don't think you can overlook his last few months at Wolves.
He had 16 Premier League games with a squad far far more talented than ours. He won 2, drew 3 and lost 11 for 9 points.
In the next 16, his replacement Vítor Pereira won 8, drew 2 and lost 6 for 26 points.
I know Wolves are a basket case but he clearly lost the dressing room, he failed to motivate/ improve the players, he threw the ownership under the bus and he wasn't tactically good enough to win points against the teams better than them.
I just can't understand why would you take the risk that that was an isolated incident?
If he failed here, everyone would turn around in unison and go 'of course that was going to happen, look at what at happened with Wolves'. |
Funnily though Pereira did that job with them, and then started the following season with 2 points from 10 games...!
It certainly something that can't be overlooked, and would need to be heavily scrutinised as to why it happened, what he could have done differently, what he has learned etc - but fact it has happened at Wolves more than once, and managers throwing toys out of pram etc at random times with the same squad (Lopetegui), down to Edwards finiding out he is sacked on socials he may be able to present a compelling case as to what happened, why it happened and that he was just a hostage to fortune (whether he was or wasn't.) | |
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| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 12:13 - Jun 15 with 2951 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 12:05 - Jun 15 by itfcjoe |
Funnily though Pereira did that job with them, and then started the following season with 2 points from 10 games...!
It certainly something that can't be overlooked, and would need to be heavily scrutinised as to why it happened, what he could have done differently, what he has learned etc - but fact it has happened at Wolves more than once, and managers throwing toys out of pram etc at random times with the same squad (Lopetegui), down to Edwards finiding out he is sacked on socials he may be able to present a compelling case as to what happened, why it happened and that he was just a hostage to fortune (whether he was or wasn't.) |
I agree but largely because they sold their two best players in Cunha and Ait-Nouri to two of the best teams in the league and signed awful replacements.
Pereira was on a hiding to nothing with that squad and he proved that with a really solid stint with Forest.
Wolves as a club are a bad example but even Bournemouth replacing him with Iraola after a really solid season would sound alarm bells for me.
Why would you replace a successful manager? Maybe the data shows he was lucky to achieve what he did, maybe he's not a motivator, maybe his coaching left something to be desired etc or you just think you can do better which is worrying in itself.
Something just does not feels quite right to me. | | | |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 12:17 - Jun 15 with 2837 views | itfcjoe |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 12:13 - Jun 15 by Bellevue_Blue |
I agree but largely because they sold their two best players in Cunha and Ait-Nouri to two of the best teams in the league and signed awful replacements.
Pereira was on a hiding to nothing with that squad and he proved that with a really solid stint with Forest.
Wolves as a club are a bad example but even Bournemouth replacing him with Iraola after a really solid season would sound alarm bells for me.
Why would you replace a successful manager? Maybe the data shows he was lucky to achieve what he did, maybe he's not a motivator, maybe his coaching left something to be desired etc or you just think you can do better which is worrying in itself.
Something just does not feels quite right to me. |
Bournemouth had new owners in the January, and then brought in their own man in Iraola that summer - it might have just been felt that O'Neil was the right man for Part 1 of the journey, but not the man to get you to Part 2 - hard to know really
I'm not massively for him, or desperate for him to get it - just think when you compare him to the other names on the (bookies) list he can probably put the best case forward that he can help us achieve our short term aims.
It's Ashton's job to judge whether that is the case or whether someone else is better for short and mid term, or a million other reasons; and I don't think he will be our manager but on paper he has a good case | |
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| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 12:24 - Jun 15 with 2704 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 11:58 - Jun 15 by Bellevue_Blue |
My opinion but I just don't think you can overlook his last few months at Wolves.
He had 16 Premier League games with a squad far far more talented than ours. He won 2, drew 3 and lost 11 for 9 points.
In the next 16, his replacement Vítor Pereira won 8, drew 2 and lost 6 for 26 points.
I know Wolves are a basket case but he clearly lost the dressing room, he failed to motivate/ improve the players, he threw the ownership under the bus and he wasn't tactically good enough to win points against the teams better than them.
I just can't understand why would you take the risk that that was an isolated incident?
If he failed here, everyone would turn around in unison and go 'of course that was going to happen, look at what at happened with Wolves'. |
Then Pereira went through exactly the same thing the following season and got sacked.
Personally think the problem lies deeper than the manager. Wolves had been selling the Crown Jewels for a number of years and not really reinvested. | |
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| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 12:27 - Jun 15 with 2658 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 11:44 - Jun 15 by hype313 |
I understand the argument, especially with the Chris Hughton Brighton comparison i.e get someone in who can keep us in the league before the next appointment.
But, I don't know why, but I just get Tim Sherwood vibes from GON. |
Hughton had been with Brighton a few seasons when he took them into the Prem, so there was the continuity there. It wasnt a new appointment. |  |
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| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 12:28 - Jun 15 with 2630 views | Jon_456 |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 11:59 - Jun 15 by itfcjoe |
As mentioned, doesn't get my juices flowing, but think he is one of only names on the list who can point to comparable environment and demonstrate he has had success in it, and has done it twice.
I think it will be someone not being mentioned personally, either relatively novice, or someone we thought was out of our range, but with O'Neil the 'best' candidate of those there if wanting an evidence base to work from |
I’m not counting keeping Wolves up as a success. They finished 14th the year before and he had the likes of Joao Gomes, Pedro Neto and Matheus Cunha among others. He maintained their position, finishing 14th again before nearly relegating them the next season if it wasn’t for Victor Pereira.
Regarding the other ‘success’, if we can call it that, he got the Bournemouth job permanently after doing well as interim in his first 12 matches. Once he was made permanent manager, he averaged 0.93ppg which would have relegated them across a whole season. Fortunately those first 12 games were enough to ensure the later form didn’t send them down.
I’m really surprised that anyone would want him near our club and I’d be even more surprised if Ashton wanted him. Unambitious to say the least. | | | |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 12:34 - Jun 15 with 2520 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 12:28 - Jun 15 by Jon_456 |
I’m not counting keeping Wolves up as a success. They finished 14th the year before and he had the likes of Joao Gomes, Pedro Neto and Matheus Cunha among others. He maintained their position, finishing 14th again before nearly relegating them the next season if it wasn’t for Victor Pereira.
Regarding the other ‘success’, if we can call it that, he got the Bournemouth job permanently after doing well as interim in his first 12 matches. Once he was made permanent manager, he averaged 0.93ppg which would have relegated them across a whole season. Fortunately those first 12 games were enough to ensure the later form didn’t send them down.
I’m really surprised that anyone would want him near our club and I’d be even more surprised if Ashton wanted him. Unambitious to say the least. |
Totally agree. Think his managerial career is built entirely on thay interim period at Bournemouth |  |
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| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 12:36 - Jun 15 with 2495 views | itfcjoe |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 12:28 - Jun 15 by Jon_456 |
I’m not counting keeping Wolves up as a success. They finished 14th the year before and he had the likes of Joao Gomes, Pedro Neto and Matheus Cunha among others. He maintained their position, finishing 14th again before nearly relegating them the next season if it wasn’t for Victor Pereira.
Regarding the other ‘success’, if we can call it that, he got the Bournemouth job permanently after doing well as interim in his first 12 matches. Once he was made permanent manager, he averaged 0.93ppg which would have relegated them across a whole season. Fortunately those first 12 games were enough to ensure the later form didn’t send them down.
I’m really surprised that anyone would want him near our club and I’d be even more surprised if Ashton wanted him. Unambitious to say the least. |
They are extremely harsh readings of jobs where he came in at the last minute because an existing manager thought the squad wasn't up to it and managed to do a good enough job in the first season at the very least. | |
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| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 12:37 - Jun 15 with 2473 views | BiGDonnie |
Would be a terrible appointment and completely uninspiring. |  |
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| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 12:43 - Jun 15 with 2365 views | franz_tyson |
Just feel it's going to end badly.
I didn't know the ins and outs of the full Bournemouth and Wolves story..... but, in the end, he looked a haunted and beaten dead man walking when he got the Wolves sack.
The Norwich connection will surface at some point as well. Just feels a bit Lamberty where we went through his CV in a sympathetic way and offered up reasons for failures and reinvented him as a plausible option.... and it ended up a disaster.
Not for me. | | | |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 12:47 - Jun 15 with 2296 views | billlm |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 12:37 - Jun 15 by BiGDonnie |
Would be a terrible appointment and completely uninspiring. |
Thank you at last somebody said it, |  | | |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 12:55 - Jun 15 with 2203 views | _CliveBaker_ |
Boring though innit. Lets get Knutsen out of Bodo/Glimt. |  | | |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 13:11 - Jun 15 with 1993 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 11:59 - Jun 15 by itfcjoe |
As mentioned, doesn't get my juices flowing, but think he is one of only names on the list who can point to comparable environment and demonstrate he has had success in it, and has done it twice.
I think it will be someone not being mentioned personally, either relatively novice, or someone we thought was out of our range, but with O'Neil the 'best' candidate of those there if wanting an evidence base to work from |
He's someone that I've never warmed to when I have heard him speak. Overly emotional/reactive and comes across as very defensive and a bit abrasive. I know we have been spoiled with McKenna but he just doesn't strike me at all as an Ipswich manager in his demeanor. | | | |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 13:15 - Jun 15 with 1923 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 11:58 - Jun 15 by Bellevue_Blue |
My opinion but I just don't think you can overlook his last few months at Wolves.
He had 16 Premier League games with a squad far far more talented than ours. He won 2, drew 3 and lost 11 for 9 points.
In the next 16, his replacement Vítor Pereira won 8, drew 2 and lost 6 for 26 points.
I know Wolves are a basket case but he clearly lost the dressing room, he failed to motivate/ improve the players, he threw the ownership under the bus and he wasn't tactically good enough to win points against the teams better than them.
I just can't understand why would you take the risk that that was an isolated incident?
If he failed here, everyone would turn around in unison and go 'of course that was going to happen, look at what at happened with Wolves'. |
Agree. That Wolves side in the season he was sacked were dire. Felt like he was running a complete circus, ill-discipline, in fighting, airing a lot of laundry in public. Maybe the players were to blame in part, they seemed to have a few too many big ego's, but it doesn't reflect well on O'Neil. They were awful against us at Molineux in his final game and destined for the drop had they not replaced him.
I'll be underwhelmed if he's our choice. | | | |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 13:29 - Jun 15 with 1745 views | homer_123 |
Gary O'Neil by homer_123 11 Jun 16:04There are worse options for sure.
It would be neither a 'statement' appointment or an appointment similar to KM. It would literally be 'meh'.
It would be an appointment that shows little to no intent and that would be worrisome.
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| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 13:38 - Jun 15 with 1611 views | tcblue |
We did the "tried and tested hands" when trying to get out of the Championship before McKenna. If you think about it....it worked.
I think the club is stable enough behind the scenes to go rogue again with the head coach, and stretch our thinking. I hate the thought that PL survival is the ends, that leads to us trying to find any means necessary | | | |
| Blue Monday on Gary O’Neil on 00:52 - Jun 16 with 958 views | armchaircritic59 |
Well, I'll come clean and say he isn't in the top list of my contenders. However the job he did at Bournemouth was pretty impressive. I remember him coming on Monday night Sky Football while he was there, and giving a very impressive explanation of the way he set his team up and style of play. The host said you've just told every manager in the PL. GON replied I'm not naive enough to not know that they know that already, and I'm not telling them anything new! That night left a mark on me, it must have done, it was a while ago! There are worse names out there, despite the meltdown at Wolves. There are few managers that don't experience the rough end of managerial experiences during their careers. |  | | |
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