| OGS is the footballing romantic choice 15:41 - Jun 18 with 2039 views | jasondozzell |
I think GON a bit underestimated. Did a good job at Bournemouth.
But OGS surely has to be the Ipswich choice.
The connection to McKenna, Pert etc.
McKenna was a romantic at heart and so is OGS. And the fact that his wife's family are Town fans because we played their home town in the 60s...
Desperate for it to be Solskjaer now!
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| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 15:46 - Jun 18 with 1850 views | hype313 |
Both are a downgrade on McKenna, but a change is as good as a holiday, as Judith Chalmers famously quoted, or didn't.. |  |
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| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 15:47 - Jun 18 with 1834 views | Bellevue_Blue |
I get the romance but I really would prefer we hire the next manager based entirely on their competence as a Football Manager as opposed to any kind of continuation or allegiance.
Otherwise lets go and get Cole Skuse in. |  | | |
| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 15:48 - Jun 18 with 1810 views | hype313 |
| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 15:47 - Jun 18 by Bellevue_Blue |
I get the romance but I really would prefer we hire the next manager based entirely on their competence as a Football Manager as opposed to any kind of continuation or allegiance.
Otherwise lets go and get Cole Skuse in. |
Why would he leave Bury for us? | |
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| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 15:51 - Jun 18 with 1780 views | portmanking |
Feck romance. Is he *actually* the right man for the job or just the most convenient option?
OGS and O'Neil wouldn't have even featured in the top 20 of target managers of most fans this time last week.
Far, far from convinced. | | | |
| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 15:54 - Jun 18 with 1736 views | tractorboy1978 |
| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 15:51 - Jun 18 by portmanking |
Feck romance. Is he *actually* the right man for the job or just the most convenient option?
OGS and O'Neil wouldn't have even featured in the top 20 of target managers of most fans this time last week.
Far, far from convinced. |
Won't know the answer to that question until a few months down the line. And the same is true for anyone we appoint to be perfectly honest. We have to trust the judgement of the decision makers and hope they get it right. | | | |
| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 15:55 - Jun 18 with 1705 views | Swansea_Blue |
Oh god, are you going to have the hots for him now and get the hump any time someone dares criticise him?
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| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 16:00 - Jun 18 with 1641 views | Illinoisblue |
Unless we sign 7 or 8 really really good players it won’t matter who the new manager is. |  |
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| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 16:05 - Jun 18 with 1580 views | Blueschev |
| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 15:46 - Jun 18 by hype313 |
Both are a downgrade on McKenna, but a change is as good as a holiday, as Judith Chalmers famously quoted, or didn't.. |
Is O'Neil a downgrade on McKenna? He's kept two clubs in the premier league to Kieran's zero. |  | | |
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| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 16:12 - Jun 18 with 1507 views | jas0999 |
… and this is why I’m concerned about OGS. Some fans want him purely because of his links with KM. that could be a mistake.
A new manager needs to have his own ideas. Own back room staff. A new list of transfer targets.
If we simply replace KM with OGS and continue as we were, it’s a downgrade in my opinion.
Kieran has gone. This continued hope he’s coming back or is still there in some way because his mate has taken over. | | | |
| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 16:12 - Jun 18 with 1505 views | buoyant |
| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 16:00 - Jun 18 by Illinoisblue |
Unless we sign 7 or 8 really really good players it won’t matter who the new manager is. |
The importance of both are not mutually exclusive IMO.
There are numerous examples of teams with gifted players who when managed poorly underperform and conversely, average players overperform whole due to the manager understanding the strengths and weaknesses and getting the collective effort of the individuals in tune. |  |
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| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 16:23 - Jun 18 with 1387 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
I dont mind if its OGS, but I am not bothered about continuity etc at all.
We were woeful in the Prem last time, so lets hope for fresh thinking this time. |  |
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| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 16:40 - Jun 18 with 1293 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
"He knows someone who knows the club" is not the basis on which we should be making an appointment. If it really is between Solskjaer and O'Neil, the latter has more relevant and recent experience. [Post edited 18 Jun 16:45]
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| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 17:06 - Jun 18 with 1160 views | BlueBadger |
Christ alive. |  |
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| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 17:35 - Jun 18 with 1042 views | pointofblue |
I basically want OGS because he's not O'Neil. Beyond that... | |
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| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 17:52 - Jun 18 with 952 views | megnuts |
GON will be on a hiding to nothing if appointed, I don’t think it would take long for it to turn quite toxic, quite quickly. It’s obviously quite a resounding no from the vast majority.
The feel good factor of the last few seasons would evaporate quite quickly after a run of bad results, which we are going to have at some point. |  | | |
| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 18:03 - Jun 18 with 890 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 17:52 - Jun 18 by megnuts |
GON will be on a hiding to nothing if appointed, I don’t think it would take long for it to turn quite toxic, quite quickly. It’s obviously quite a resounding no from the vast majority.
The feel good factor of the last few seasons would evaporate quite quickly after a run of bad results, which we are going to have at some point. |
All depends on results and how the team looks on the pitch. Joe Royle definitely wasn't wanted by fans either ( due to the Man City rivalry at the time rather than Nodge connections )
Wouldn't be my choice for sure, but GON is not some lower league journeyman manager. He's got decent Prem/overseas experience for a young coach.
I wouldn't want to appoint a manager/coach based on the feels of fans either, a good portion of our dismals wanted McKenna gone last season. If Ashton believes GON is what he wants, he'll need to back him. | | | |
| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 18:12 - Jun 18 with 840 views | megnuts |
| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 18:03 - Jun 18 by burnbudgiesburn |
All depends on results and how the team looks on the pitch. Joe Royle definitely wasn't wanted by fans either ( due to the Man City rivalry at the time rather than Nodge connections )
Wouldn't be my choice for sure, but GON is not some lower league journeyman manager. He's got decent Prem/overseas experience for a young coach.
I wouldn't want to appoint a manager/coach based on the feels of fans either, a good portion of our dismals wanted McKenna gone last season. If Ashton believes GON is what he wants, he'll need to back him. |
I haven’t suggested that he is. The issue with GON is that his football does not buy him much patience. He has not shown enough evidence that he can build a steady side with a clear long-term identity. His Wolves side went to absolute bits.
We’re a newly promoted side, who are going to lose quite a lot. I think with him as manager, you’ll see things get nasty. He’ll have no goodwill. It would be an incredibly brave appointment.
I’m not saying Ole would get an easy ride but, he’d certainly get more patience from fans, rightfully or wrongfully. | | | |
| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 18:45 - Jun 18 with 729 views | southnorfolkblue |
| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 16:12 - Jun 18 by jas0999 |
… and this is why I’m concerned about OGS. Some fans want him purely because of his links with KM. that could be a mistake.
A new manager needs to have his own ideas. Own back room staff. A new list of transfer targets.
If we simply replace KM with OGS and continue as we were, it’s a downgrade in my opinion.
Kieran has gone. This continued hope he’s coming back or is still there in some way because his mate has taken over. |
I get the need for new ideas etc if you’re replacing a manager who’s been sacked, because of the obvious need for change, but we’re not in that position. We have just been promoted so I don’t see a problem with some continuity in staff. The new manager is bound to have some different views to his predecessor anyway | |
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| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 09:40 - Jun 19 with 474 views | darkhorse28 |
Are you ok. He was the romantic choice for Utd. For obvious reasons.
If knowing Pert and McKenna and having family members support us is ‘romance’ then about 3 million other people are equally qualified.
They all have better management records too…, his £400 million at Utd, on players they couldn’t sell, destroyed that club for a very long time…, and if he didn’t do the scouting and Court didn’t either, what exactly were they doing?!
His record at Cardiff where he was the football IQ in the room was a million times worse.., he’s never built anything at any club ever and he’s had lots of chances.
I’m more worried by Ashton…., years to plan for this since McKenna agreed terms with Brighton, and his relationship souring this season, it’s been obvious for a very long time we’d need a contingency.
He’s completely failed in his core remit to have any decent contingency, for a club with world class resources and status (if it’s either of these two).
If you want romance why not push for Butcher or Wark, or any player that ACTUALLY has a connection with our club, is it because they aren’t good managers?
So let’s not pretend being friends with ex managers and wife’s family being fans are management qualifications …, they aren’t .., not 0.0000001%
You need to show our club more respect.
It’s not a proxy for your emotions alone.., it’s kinda important the next person can manage!!
That’s not Ole. He’s dog shit, the worst record of anyone linked. And shouldn’t manage any club at any level ever again.
Sancho alone nearly crippled Utd - have they finished paying his £350k a week wages yet?
Wake up from your fantasy’s .., we need talent, not day dreams of players who were brilliant for OTHER clubs as players. | | | |
| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 09:51 - Jun 19 with 424 views | jasondozzell |
| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 09:40 - Jun 19 by darkhorse28 |
Are you ok. He was the romantic choice for Utd. For obvious reasons.
If knowing Pert and McKenna and having family members support us is ‘romance’ then about 3 million other people are equally qualified.
They all have better management records too…, his £400 million at Utd, on players they couldn’t sell, destroyed that club for a very long time…, and if he didn’t do the scouting and Court didn’t either, what exactly were they doing?!
His record at Cardiff where he was the football IQ in the room was a million times worse.., he’s never built anything at any club ever and he’s had lots of chances.
I’m more worried by Ashton…., years to plan for this since McKenna agreed terms with Brighton, and his relationship souring this season, it’s been obvious for a very long time we’d need a contingency.
He’s completely failed in his core remit to have any decent contingency, for a club with world class resources and status (if it’s either of these two).
If you want romance why not push for Butcher or Wark, or any player that ACTUALLY has a connection with our club, is it because they aren’t good managers?
So let’s not pretend being friends with ex managers and wife’s family being fans are management qualifications …, they aren’t .., not 0.0000001%
You need to show our club more respect.
It’s not a proxy for your emotions alone.., it’s kinda important the next person can manage!!
That’s not Ole. He’s dog shit, the worst record of anyone linked. And shouldn’t manage any club at any level ever again.
Sancho alone nearly crippled Utd - have they finished paying his £350k a week wages yet?
Wake up from your fantasy’s .., we need talent, not day dreams of players who were brilliant for OTHER clubs as players. |
Agree of course that it's his ability to win football matches that is most important. But his record at Molde and United is good. I don't doubt KM and Carrick a huge part of the relative success at United but Solskjaer has to be given credit too.
Both he and GON are not perhaps as exciting appointments but the reality is until w are established in the PL we are a rung below a lot of the elite managers.
But I also think we need the right fit for the club. Solskjaer feels Ipswich to me. | | | |
| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 09:59 - Jun 19 with 391 views | andyblue231 |
| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 16:05 - Jun 18 by Blueschev |
Is O'Neil a downgrade on McKenna? He's kept two clubs in the premier league to Kieran's zero. |
the fans of both clubs would riot if they tried to reappoint him. wolves fans nearly did.
he is a future Steve bruce type, league one rent-a-manager. [Post edited 19 Jun 9:59]
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| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 10:32 - Jun 19 with 338 views | jayessess |
I think OGS has three main pluses:
Continuity - will allow us to proceed with the squad planning we have presumably been working on since January.
Likeable - sounds less important than it is. Being likeable gets you a bit of buy in from players and supporters. Also Ipswich as a club doesn't have a great track record with managers who aren't humble, personable.
Connected - not just his playing career, name in the game etc. but I would imagine the UEFA technical observer role is great for networking.
In the absence of any better ideas I think they're pretty decent pluses. His actual results are mixed but not indicate that he's a liability or anything.
GON has a couple of pluses:
He led a newly-promoted team to survival, despite being appointed in-season.
He kept a clearly drain-circling Wolves squad out of relegation trouble.
Again, reason to believe he'd be a steady appointment with sufficient coaching and tactical acumen to make a good enough squad competitive. |  |
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| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 10:41 - Jun 19 with 285 views | FrimleyBlue |
OGS is a choice built around those still at the club behind the scenes that can work with him, he can come in and get cracking without massive changes in the coaching staff
O'Neil, I dont get why we're even considering him, from a football success point of view, he ended badly at bournemouth and then got sacked after we beat his wolves side which at the time looked like they were going to finish behind us!
O'neil if hired will be an absolute bottle job from ashton on choosing someone he's worked with before rather than being bullish like he was with KM. No it may not pay off going for an asssitant coach turning him into a manager, and no OGS may not work either, but fk me oneil! |  |
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| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 10:45 - Jun 19 with 258 views | FBI |
| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 09:40 - Jun 19 by darkhorse28 |
Are you ok. He was the romantic choice for Utd. For obvious reasons.
If knowing Pert and McKenna and having family members support us is ‘romance’ then about 3 million other people are equally qualified.
They all have better management records too…, his £400 million at Utd, on players they couldn’t sell, destroyed that club for a very long time…, and if he didn’t do the scouting and Court didn’t either, what exactly were they doing?!
His record at Cardiff where he was the football IQ in the room was a million times worse.., he’s never built anything at any club ever and he’s had lots of chances.
I’m more worried by Ashton…., years to plan for this since McKenna agreed terms with Brighton, and his relationship souring this season, it’s been obvious for a very long time we’d need a contingency.
He’s completely failed in his core remit to have any decent contingency, for a club with world class resources and status (if it’s either of these two).
If you want romance why not push for Butcher or Wark, or any player that ACTUALLY has a connection with our club, is it because they aren’t good managers?
So let’s not pretend being friends with ex managers and wife’s family being fans are management qualifications …, they aren’t .., not 0.0000001%
You need to show our club more respect.
It’s not a proxy for your emotions alone.., it’s kinda important the next person can manage!!
That’s not Ole. He’s dog shit, the worst record of anyone linked. And shouldn’t manage any club at any level ever again.
Sancho alone nearly crippled Utd - have they finished paying his £350k a week wages yet?
Wake up from your fantasy’s .., we need talent, not day dreams of players who were brilliant for OTHER clubs as players. |
"You need to show our club more respect."
Hilarious.
You are ElephantInTheRoom and I claim my five pounds. |  |
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| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 11:09 - Jun 19 with 206 views | jayessess |
| OGS is the footballing romantic choice on 10:41 - Jun 19 by FrimleyBlue |
OGS is a choice built around those still at the club behind the scenes that can work with him, he can come in and get cracking without massive changes in the coaching staff
O'Neil, I dont get why we're even considering him, from a football success point of view, he ended badly at bournemouth and then got sacked after we beat his wolves side which at the time looked like they were going to finish behind us!
O'neil if hired will be an absolute bottle job from ashton on choosing someone he's worked with before rather than being bullish like he was with KM. No it may not pay off going for an asssitant coach turning him into a manager, and no OGS may not work either, but fk me oneil! |
Surely it's obvious why we're considering O'Neil? He took over newly-promoted Bournemouth in Late August 2022 and they stayed up taking 36 points from 34 games.
Not like they even had an outrageously good team either, their starting line-up for his first win: Neto; Zemura, Smith, Mepham, Kelly; Lerma, Cook; Tavernier, Billing, Christie; Solanke.
Why wouldn't you consider someone who's literally done the job that we want done? | |
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