| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? 12:37 - Jun 19 with 4464 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
If it is him, which it may not be but if so, would he be the least popular appointment we have ever made?
I remember a large section of support singing "You can stick Joe Royle up your @r53" and he did a pretty decent job so whoever it is we should get behind them but for me GON is a weak and short sighted appointment.
OGS not exactly setting my pulse racing but can see the thought process there. |  |
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| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:39 - Jun 19 with 2652 views | Vaughan8 |
I'm the other way round (and in the minority).
I agree both are not exactly "pulse racing" appointments, but OGS I can see being disasterous. GON has at least been in this league at the bottom end, and stayed up and recently.
OGS hasn't had a relegation battle since Cardiff, which he ultimately ended in relegation with numerous thrashings on the way....! |  | | |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:40 - Jun 19 with 2648 views | hype313 |
I think most would be behind him, as we always do, but given the misgivings surrounding him, he'll be on a very short rope.
Got to give him the benefit of the doubt if it his him, but the jungle drums will be quick to come out should we look bang in trouble early on. |  |
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| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:42 - Jun 19 with 2620 views | Vic |
Only with fans who for various reasons think they know better than the professionals that run the club.
Im not a fan of Ashton as a person, but there's no real reason for me to.imagine he's not going to study the data, take the references and generally do everything a CEO can do to appoint the best person for the club at this time.
Of course it can go pete tong, no one gets every devision right, but we surely have to ve humble enough to trust h's doing the very best he can for the club. |  |
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| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:43 - Jun 19 with 2601 views | itfc48 |
At the end of the day if we’re going to stay up we need to get behind the team and manager from day one. Personally I don’t care about the Norwich link, I think of him more as ex Portsmouth and Boro. Also one of our most popular players is ex-Norwich… it’s where they want to be now that counts. | | | |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:43 - Jun 19 with 2592 views | Illinoisblue |
No. |  |
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| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:46 - Jun 19 with 2571 views | hype313 |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:42 - Jun 19 by Vic |
Only with fans who for various reasons think they know better than the professionals that run the club.
Im not a fan of Ashton as a person, but there's no real reason for me to.imagine he's not going to study the data, take the references and generally do everything a CEO can do to appoint the best person for the club at this time.
Of course it can go pete tong, no one gets every devision right, but we surely have to ve humble enough to trust h's doing the very best he can for the club. |
Some very good managers have gone into Spurs in recent years and failed, so you look to the top as to why they continually fail.
We're lucky that we have a good, steady ownership model with forward thinking progressive plans in place, we have solid foundations for any manager to come and work with.
It's a plum job for someone to come into, not many excuses to be had, bar own failings if it goes tits up (never understood that phrase, surely it should be Tits Down) | |
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| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:48 - Jun 19 with 2549 views | bsw72 |
99% of managers are on a hiding to nothing when they follow a crowd favourite / successful manager, it will be the same here - unless they start winning early, whoever comes in will not be given the same time and show of patience from the crowd that McKenna had earned. |  | | |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:50 - Jun 19 with 2520 views | Wallingford_Boy |
Definitely not, but would be a very disappointing choice.
TBH I just don't think there are many options out there.
OGS a marginal preference over GON. |  |
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| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:51 - Jun 19 with 2514 views | hype313 |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:48 - Jun 19 by bsw72 |
99% of managers are on a hiding to nothing when they follow a crowd favourite / successful manager, it will be the same here - unless they start winning early, whoever comes in will not be given the same time and show of patience from the crowd that McKenna had earned. |
Even when they have a decent body of work, see Moyes and Emery. | |
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| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:51 - Jun 19 with 2510 views | SouthfieldsBlue |
Well we've only had 19 previous appointments, so easy enough to compare.
I remember Jewell being pretty unpopular as people thought he was past it. I was personally more against Lambert, but I think we were all pretty desperate at the time so the unpopularity may have been lessened.
That said, I think general reaction is that he is not a great manager, and an ex-budgie, so hard to say he wouldn't be one of the most unpopular appointments we've had, even if difficult to say the most unpopular. | | | |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:53 - Jun 19 with 2490 views | RobTheMonk |
Both managers have a strong 'however' from me.
GON laid a good foundation for Bournemouth, but had some pretty rough patches on the way. Wolves were treading water for a while. You can only sell so many good players and replace with inferior ones before something starts to give. They also had too many bellends playing for them.
OSG would be more of a better-the-devil-you know move. Knows the staff and system having worked with most before. Been in and out of management though.
GON out of the two would be my personal choice.
Whoever gets it will have my support though. Let's not right people off before they've even got going! |  | | |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:53 - Jun 19 with 2483 views | bsw72 |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:46 - Jun 19 by hype313 |
Some very good managers have gone into Spurs in recent years and failed, so you look to the top as to why they continually fail.
We're lucky that we have a good, steady ownership model with forward thinking progressive plans in place, we have solid foundations for any manager to come and work with.
It's a plum job for someone to come into, not many excuses to be had, bar own failings if it goes tits up (never understood that phrase, surely it should be Tits Down) |
Isn't it just a more "agricultural" version of belly up? However an old army chum once tried to claim it was an acronynm for Total Inability To Support Usual Performance, but not sure that's true either. | | | |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:54 - Jun 19 with 2478 views | CastroSito |
Maybe? But its a very small pool. Joe Royle was a very unpopular at the time.
Generally just feels 'meh', which I think you could say about a lot of managers coming in. | | | |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:55 - Jun 19 with 2465 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:53 - Jun 19 by RobTheMonk |
Both managers have a strong 'however' from me.
GON laid a good foundation for Bournemouth, but had some pretty rough patches on the way. Wolves were treading water for a while. You can only sell so many good players and replace with inferior ones before something starts to give. They also had too many bellends playing for them.
OSG would be more of a better-the-devil-you know move. Knows the staff and system having worked with most before. Been in and out of management though.
GON out of the two would be my personal choice.
Whoever gets it will have my support though. Let's not right people off before they've even got going! |
Do we know the staff are staying ?
He will know Mick Court obviously but likely bring his own coaches with him. |  |
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| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:55 - Jun 19 with 2462 views | bsw72 |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:51 - Jun 19 by hype313 |
Even when they have a decent body of work, see Moyes and Emery. |
. . . and to a lesser extent Slot at Liverpool - won a title and then with the performance last season a lot of fans and pundits changed their tune to say he won the title with Klopp's team.
Football attracts a fickle crowd | | | |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:56 - Jun 19 with 2456 views | megnuts |
We’ve been aware KMc has wanted out for a few seasons. Ashton has always gone on about having a list of managers ready for when that day comes. I struggle to get my head round Gary O’Neil being top of that list. Or Ole Gunnar Solskjær for that matter but for whatever reason that would be something I can at least get behind.
O’Neil had a 29% win rate at Bournemouth, and was replaced the first opportunity they got with a relatively unknown coach. He took Wolves down with a whimper, lost the squad and lost his head in interviews blaming everyone else. Plus, lost to us and we were horrendous. Done ok in France with a squad he inherited, 8th richest club in Ligue 1, finished 8th.
I just do not get the appeal. |  | | |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:56 - Jun 19 with 2443 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Our fans would back him for sure.
My god Paul Lambert had a banner made for him. | |
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| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 13:15 - Jun 19 with 2254 views | darkhorse28 |
Ones considered a very dynamic and progressive coach widely respected in the game.
Darren Bent said he ‘blew my mind with his football knowledge’ when he worked with him for TV.
The other scored a good goal in a champions league final, knows family members who support us, and is friends with the ex manager, and the skipper liked him as a player. But has a dreadful record as a manger.
Objectively. Which sounds the most likely to succeed.
If Ole is the answer, what exactly is the question? Because it’s not how to avoid relegation or be successful in the league below if the worst happens is it.
So what do you see in the ex Man Utd player .., other than exactly that.., having Man Utd on a CV.., where if he wasn’t such a playing legend .., would have been lynched for what sent Utd towards financial oblivion and ruin on and off the pitch.
No club in Europe has EVER spent more (badly) than Ole did - him and Ashton together .., might as well plan the 2028/9 league one trip to Salford now.
You need better aspirations for us buddy, because Ole is dreadful. Weak; awful recruitment; not a leader, tactically inept..can’t motivate a wet paper bag.
O’Neil isn’t inspiring, and that’s in Ashton, 100% .., but he’s easily a level above Ole. He studied the game in ways Ole never could. | | | |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 13:19 - Jun 19 with 2240 views | naa |
The fact is that the new manager won't be given the benefit of the doubt that Mckenna would have been afforded by the fans. So whoever it is has to do well and we have no idea how well Mckenna would have done.
It's tough for whoever comes in.
I'd hope though that fans would accept how hard the job will be and get behind whoever it is. | | | |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 13:25 - Jun 19 with 2199 views | naa |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 13:15 - Jun 19 by darkhorse28 |
Ones considered a very dynamic and progressive coach widely respected in the game.
Darren Bent said he ‘blew my mind with his football knowledge’ when he worked with him for TV.
The other scored a good goal in a champions league final, knows family members who support us, and is friends with the ex manager, and the skipper liked him as a player. But has a dreadful record as a manger.
Objectively. Which sounds the most likely to succeed.
If Ole is the answer, what exactly is the question? Because it’s not how to avoid relegation or be successful in the league below if the worst happens is it.
So what do you see in the ex Man Utd player .., other than exactly that.., having Man Utd on a CV.., where if he wasn’t such a playing legend .., would have been lynched for what sent Utd towards financial oblivion and ruin on and off the pitch.
No club in Europe has EVER spent more (badly) than Ole did - him and Ashton together .., might as well plan the 2028/9 league one trip to Salford now.
You need better aspirations for us buddy, because Ole is dreadful. Weak; awful recruitment; not a leader, tactically inept..can’t motivate a wet paper bag.
O’Neil isn’t inspiring, and that’s in Ashton, 100% .., but he’s easily a level above Ole. He studied the game in ways Ole never could. |
OGS does not have a dreadful record as a manager but he did fail at the one job that is similar to our likely situation.
I'm not convinced he'd be right either but no need to ignore the several successful seasons he's has as a manager. | | | |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 13:25 - Jun 19 with 2194 views | stonojnr |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:48 - Jun 19 by bsw72 |
99% of managers are on a hiding to nothing when they follow a crowd favourite / successful manager, it will be the same here - unless they start winning early, whoever comes in will not be given the same time and show of patience from the crowd that McKenna had earned. |
Albeit just remember how little patience McKenna was often afforded on this very message board.
Whoever they pick may only get till Christmas to impress that in itself may well impact people keen on the role | | | |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 13:30 - Jun 19 with 2147 views | pointofblue |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:56 - Jun 19 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Our fans would back him for sure.
My god Paul Lambert had a banner made for him. |
I hated the Lambert appointment. As soon as it was confirmed I thought we may as well have kept Hurst. | |
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| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 13:34 - Jun 19 with 2109 views | benrhyddingblue |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:56 - Jun 19 by megnuts |
We’ve been aware KMc has wanted out for a few seasons. Ashton has always gone on about having a list of managers ready for when that day comes. I struggle to get my head round Gary O’Neil being top of that list. Or Ole Gunnar Solskjær for that matter but for whatever reason that would be something I can at least get behind.
O’Neil had a 29% win rate at Bournemouth, and was replaced the first opportunity they got with a relatively unknown coach. He took Wolves down with a whimper, lost the squad and lost his head in interviews blaming everyone else. Plus, lost to us and we were horrendous. Done ok in France with a squad he inherited, 8th richest club in Ligue 1, finished 8th.
I just do not get the appeal. |
A 29% win percentage gets us 11 wins, meaning another 7 draws added to that and we would probably stay up. What sort of win percentage are you expecting us to have next season? For reference KMc in the premier league has a 10.5% win percentage. | | | |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 13:35 - Jun 19 with 2100 views | BloomBlue |
I think the vast majority of fans would back him, it would simply be a few influenced by social media against him.
You could argue Sir Bobby wasn't an inspiring appointment and a lot fans were unhappy with it. The trouble is time cloud people's memory and people forget how unhappy Town fans were with Sir Bob's appointment |  | | |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 13:40 - Jun 19 with 2017 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Would GON be the most unpopular appointment ever? on 12:56 - Jun 19 by megnuts |
We’ve been aware KMc has wanted out for a few seasons. Ashton has always gone on about having a list of managers ready for when that day comes. I struggle to get my head round Gary O’Neil being top of that list. Or Ole Gunnar Solskjær for that matter but for whatever reason that would be something I can at least get behind.
O’Neil had a 29% win rate at Bournemouth, and was replaced the first opportunity they got with a relatively unknown coach. He took Wolves down with a whimper, lost the squad and lost his head in interviews blaming everyone else. Plus, lost to us and we were horrendous. Done ok in France with a squad he inherited, 8th richest club in Ligue 1, finished 8th.
I just do not get the appeal. |
He didn’t take Wolves down. They may well have gone down if they hadn’t sacked him, but it only bought them a 12 month reprieve. That suggests to me that the problems there went deeper than the manager | |
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