| Why not OGS? 22:10 - Jun 19 with 1564 views | wiltshireblue |
I'm not going to whinge about O'Neill as I see his experience at a couple of premier league teams,
However, why not OGS? What am I missing?
Removing emotion hes got a 53% win % including a shocking spell at Cardiff, and 54% whilst at Man Utd
For me the biggest risk here is shock for the players and going from McKenna to a different way, change is tough and disruptive, especially given the quality of McKenna
And OGS would to me represent the opportunity for continuation, he's obviously close to K Mck, worked with him, friends etc and he'd have the ear of OGS and it would support the transition, including with players
Seems lower risk to me given the positive vibe built last few years
Anyway what do I know, not a club chairman!
Just genuinely interested why the above and the connections isn't of greater value [Post edited 19 Jun 22:12]
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| Why not OGS? on 22:13 - Jun 19 with 1514 views | Fixed_It |
If we sign 10 more players then that continuity becomes less relevant. |  |
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| Why not OGS? on 22:13 - Jun 19 with 1514 views | MK1 |
We are going to be in a relegation fight, not trying to get CL. I guess the board think he would be best suited for that. |  |
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| Why not OGS? on 22:14 - Jun 19 with 1504 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
I'm not worried at all about the lack of continuation.
Having achieved a win percentage of 11% last time we were in the Prem, a change in approach is very much needed whether under KM or a new manager. |  |
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| Why not OGS? on 22:15 - Jun 19 with 1487 views | bsw72 |
I don’t think his experience was relevant to the challenge next season presents for us. We need someone with more experience scrapping in the lower half of the table to keep a side up vs sides with experienced players battling for top half finishes. |  | | |
| Why not OGS? on 22:16 - Jun 19 with 1479 views | wiltshireblue |
| Why not OGS? on 22:13 - Jun 19 by Fixed_It |
If we sign 10 more players then that continuity becomes less relevant. |
Fair comment. Though I guess what I'm really trying to say is I guess having OGS would be as close to hanging on to some elements of Mckenna and his influence, even if channeled through and supporting OGS.
McKenna has lived and breathed it, he deserves his break, but equally he doesn't strike me as someone who will stop caring or wouldn't help support his friend | | | |
| Why not OGS? on 22:18 - Jun 19 with 1419 views | wiltshireblue |
All fair comments. Looks like its time to get behind O'Neil
Guess it's a change for us too right? going from thinking long term building / rebuild to immediate short term - 1 season focus to stay in the premier league this season, and don't think beyond that. | | | |
| Why not OGS? on 22:21 - Jun 19 with 1367 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Why not OGS? on 22:18 - Jun 19 by wiltshireblue |
All fair comments. Looks like its time to get behind O'Neil
Guess it's a change for us too right? going from thinking long term building / rebuild to immediate short term - 1 season focus to stay in the premier league this season, and don't think beyond that. |
Yes, short term thinking and frankly be ruthless with the squad. |  |
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| Why not OGS? on 22:26 - Jun 19 with 1306 views | MK1 |
| Why not OGS? on 22:16 - Jun 19 by wiltshireblue |
Fair comment. Though I guess what I'm really trying to say is I guess having OGS would be as close to hanging on to some elements of Mckenna and his influence, even if channeled through and supporting OGS.
McKenna has lived and breathed it, he deserves his break, but equally he doesn't strike me as someone who will stop caring or wouldn't help support his friend |
We all need to thank McKenna and move on.
A fresh approach and style of play will be good for us I think. | |
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| Why not OGS? on 22:30 - Jun 19 with 1259 views | jas0999 |
I don’t think we can underestimate that link to Km. it could be counter productive. Some fans just want him because of his association with Kieran, whilst actually we need to move on. No time for sentiment. This so called continuity is a red herring.
Further, OGS record at bottom on PL is dreadful. Poor. Awful. | | | |
| Why not OGS? on 22:34 - Jun 19 with 1227 views | nshearman1 |
| Why not OGS? on 22:30 - Jun 19 by jas0999 |
I don’t think we can underestimate that link to Km. it could be counter productive. Some fans just want him because of his association with Kieran, whilst actually we need to move on. No time for sentiment. This so called continuity is a red herring.
Further, OGS record at bottom on PL is dreadful. Poor. Awful. |
Is O'Neil's any better? Not, I believe, statistically. This is a really poor appointment, Ashton should have gone over Fuhragegate and hopefully he will when O'Neil proves his actual worth - or lack of it. | | | |
| Why not OGS? on 22:36 - Jun 19 with 1190 views | wiltshireblue |
| Why not OGS? on 22:34 - Jun 19 by nshearman1 |
Is O'Neil's any better? Not, I believe, statistically. This is a really poor appointment, Ashton should have gone over Fuhragegate and hopefully he will when O'Neil proves his actual worth - or lack of it. |
Yeah, to be clear my original question wasn't to suggest that OGS is gods gift to football management and my first choice out of everyone out there,
More on the basis of it allegedly having been O'Neil or OGS | | | |
| Why not OGS? on 02:28 - Jun 20 with 986 views | wkj |
Probably because with the meetings they had with out team, GON brought the best to the table. Stats are always relative as well
Did GON underperform with lower premiership teams to the same extent that OGS did with United, and then Cardiff?
I would say probably not. |  |
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| Why not OGS? on 05:53 - Jun 20 with 888 views | itfc1108 |
Ashton seems quite chummy with Simon Jordan these days, and he used to be so scathing about Ole when he was in charge at United, on talksport. He kept calling him mediocre and things like that.
Also, when Amorin left and the caretaker manager job was between Carrick and Ole, he started again.
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| Why not OGS? on 06:35 - Jun 20 with 806 views | muccletonjoe |
I firmly believe there was a period around mid-week when he was offered the job. But for whatever reason , he didn't take it. |  | | |
| Why not OGS? on 07:28 - Jun 20 with 707 views | NthQldITFC |
I know very little about anything, but it seems to me from what I've read that O'Neil is a much better fit for us than Solskjaer. |  |
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| Why not OGS? on 09:03 - Jun 20 with 607 views | BondiBlue |
| Why not OGS? on 22:14 - Jun 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I'm not worried at all about the lack of continuation.
Having achieved a win percentage of 11% last time we were in the Prem, a change in approach is very much needed whether under KM or a new manager. |
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| Why not OGS? on 09:35 - Jun 20 with 531 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Why not OGS? on 02:28 - Jun 20 by wkj |
Probably because with the meetings they had with out team, GON brought the best to the table. Stats are always relative as well
Did GON underperform with lower premiership teams to the same extent that OGS did with United, and then Cardiff?
I would say probably not. |
As you say stats are relative. He lost 5 in a row at Bournemouth, but that stat doesnt tell you that they had already secured PL football for the following season.
It’s not an exciting appointment and may be Ashton could have tempered people’s expectations a bit by his choice of words, but if he’s the chosen one he will have my support and that won’t change even if we have a rough start to the season. It’s easy to forget in all of this that even if KM was still in charge, we still faced a huge task to stay up. I would be disappointed if we don’t make a better football fist of it at least this time | |
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| Why not OGS? on 09:38 - Jun 20 with 519 views | wkj |
| Why not OGS? on 09:35 - Jun 20 by southnorfolkblue |
As you say stats are relative. He lost 5 in a row at Bournemouth, but that stat doesnt tell you that they had already secured PL football for the following season.
It’s not an exciting appointment and may be Ashton could have tempered people’s expectations a bit by his choice of words, but if he’s the chosen one he will have my support and that won’t change even if we have a rough start to the season. It’s easy to forget in all of this that even if KM was still in charge, we still faced a huge task to stay up. I would be disappointed if we don’t make a better football fist of it at least this time |
Agreed. I do think many of us are not used to, or have forgotten, what it is like to part ways with a successful manager going out on a high rather than scrambling to oust a failure. That is a sure fire way to elevate people's expectation because we're looking for a successor rather than a saviour. | |
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| Why not OGS? on 09:40 - Jun 20 with 515 views | lazyblue |
Because he wouldn’t have Kmac as a number 2 | | | |
| Why not OGS? on 09:47 - Jun 20 with 482 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Why not OGS? on 22:13 - Jun 19 by Fixed_It |
If we sign 10 more players then that continuity becomes less relevant. |
Exactly, it is all about the recruitment now. We will have a new team pretty much the next 4 - 6 weeks if it goes to plan. |  | | |
| Why not OGS? on 09:53 - Jun 20 with 462 views | Simonds92 |
If it was a 2 horse race between the 2 then O'Neil is definitely the best pick by some stretch. He's a coach, who is supposedly good tactically. I'm not sure Ole is anything other than a good man manager.
My main reservation with O'Neil is that he seems to regularly chuck his toys out the pram in an attempt to protect himself and his reputation. This will be a much more difficult appointment for Ashton to deal with than Ole would have been. | | | |
| Why not OGS? on 10:53 - Jun 20 with 390 views | Vaughan8 |
Are we still going over this?
Having a high win percentage ar a top team in every league is not comparable to us unless you think we'll be that.
What was his win % at relegated Cardiff?
He would be a disastrous appointment. | | | |
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