| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… 17:26 - Jun 22 with 5844 views | SitfcB |
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/2
Let’s hope him and others are proved very wrong, looks like it may be siege mentality!
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| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 18:38 - Jun 22 with 1226 views | Matt_Netherlands |
On the siege mentality…. Is there a possible argument here around GON coming here with a massive point to prove and being fired up by the challenge?
I damn well hope so.
This appointment could be our equivalent of signing Luongo in league 1. Nobody was over the moon but we knew it partially made sense in paper. And look what happened there.
Massimoneil. |  | | |
| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 18:46 - Jun 22 with 1163 views | charlie1 |
| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 18:05 - Jun 22 by gainsboroughblue |
Not sure I can be bothered with the views of a man who now plys his trade being reactive, controversial and speaking words without any consequence on one of the most rage baity, provocative outlets ever to exist. |
Why bring Frimmers into this? |  | | |
| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 19:02 - Jun 22 with 1109 views | SitfcB |
| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 17:45 - Jun 22 by tetchris |
Trouble with MA is lack of accountability. Americans have told him to get on with it so he can basically hire who he likes. The GON signing feels like a good one for MA but not for the long term success of the club. Obviously we don’t know who applied for the job, who wasn’t interested or couldn’t start immediately due to being a World Cup year but Jordan could be right. GON lost the plot at Wolves and although he typically has a first good season, the wheels come off during the second season and he gets sacked. I don’t think Jordan mentioned who he thought would be a better fit, but he’s right. There has been noise around KM for some time now so MA should have had a succession plan in place. Should we have taken a risk with Pert? Keith Andrew’s has surprised us all. First job as a PL manager, club sold some of its best players but they still had a good season. MA says it’s a risk to give someone their first job in management in the PL, but I’m not convinced giving it to a man who has failed twice previously in the PL is the right man either. I fear we will end up being a club stuck in the championship for years rather than being a regular one in the PL. |
There’s no way that MA wouldn’t have had to tell the Americans why he’s chosen GON and what he has to offer etc.
Heck Schwartz had to make a hastily arranged trip over to get McKenna to stay the other year, they have more say than you probably think when it comes to big decisions like this.
I personally will judge how GON did for ITFC at the end of his tenure, however long that may be. | |
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| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 19:04 - Jun 22 with 1081 views | NthQldITFC |
| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 17:45 - Jun 22 by tetchris |
Trouble with MA is lack of accountability. Americans have told him to get on with it so he can basically hire who he likes. The GON signing feels like a good one for MA but not for the long term success of the club. Obviously we don’t know who applied for the job, who wasn’t interested or couldn’t start immediately due to being a World Cup year but Jordan could be right. GON lost the plot at Wolves and although he typically has a first good season, the wheels come off during the second season and he gets sacked. I don’t think Jordan mentioned who he thought would be a better fit, but he’s right. There has been noise around KM for some time now so MA should have had a succession plan in place. Should we have taken a risk with Pert? Keith Andrew’s has surprised us all. First job as a PL manager, club sold some of its best players but they still had a good season. MA says it’s a risk to give someone their first job in management in the PL, but I’m not convinced giving it to a man who has failed twice previously in the PL is the right man either. I fear we will end up being a club stuck in the championship for years rather than being a regular one in the PL. |
These ridiculous, extrapolated, ultra-simplistic conclusions like he "typically has a first good season, the wheels come off during the second season and he gets sacked" always crack me up. |  |
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| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 19:17 - Jun 22 with 1016 views | billlm |
| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 17:36 - Jun 22 by BiGDonnie |
So a young gaffer that cannot control the dressing room.
What could possibly go wrong! |
Cunha was a live wire and upset the dressing room so was always going to end in a bad way,
I know we're going to add but the players, at town now don't have egos so as we like to sign as much as you can the right characters this problem shouldn't become a problem,
So I'm leaning on the this is negativity from s jordan,
One issue GON won't have,
All we can do is back him and see where we end up, |  | | |
| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 19:18 - Jun 22 with 1029 views | Illinoisblue |
Who gives a flying fk what Simon Jordan thinks? |  |
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| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 19:32 - Jun 22 with 966 views | Guthrum |
It is potentially an issue if he is unable to handle setbacks and if he has difficulties with squad discipline.
However, on the latter, as others have said, I think McKenna has bred a team with a lot of internal self-discipline and "good character". If O'Shea remains as Captain, that will continue.
On the first point, he may receive more support from the club (and maybe even the supporters) than he did at Wolves. |  |
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| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 19:34 - Jun 22 with 942 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 19:18 - Jun 22 by Illinoisblue |
Who gives a flying fk what Simon Jordan thinks? |
We probably wouldnt be seeing any thoughts from him if ashton hadnt done the recent interview. Just part of the process i guess. |  |
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| I don’t think anyone could state that O’Neil is the perfect choice, or a…. on 19:35 - Jun 22 with 951 views | Vic |
| I don’t think anyone could state that O’Neil is the perfect choice, or a…. on 17:58 - Jun 22 by portmanking |
If I hear "but who else was really available" again, I'm going to scream... |
PK - The reason it keeps getting asked is because no one answers the question.
Ever!
So can I try again - please could you (or maybe one of those who have uppied you) give us a list other better alternatives. |  |
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| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 19:37 - Jun 22 with 944 views | BackToRussia |
Playing the ball rather than the man...
The main criticism he's levelling at O'Neil is that he couldn't handle a big ego in Cunha. In that case, our squad should suit him in that there are likely no characters like Cunha, and he will have a big say in who we sign this summer. So it is not really relevant in this context. |  |
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| I don’t think anyone could state that O’Neil is the perfect choice, or a…. on 19:43 - Jun 22 with 902 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I don’t think anyone could state that O’Neil is the perfect choice, or a…. on 19:35 - Jun 22 by Vic |
PK - The reason it keeps getting asked is because no one answers the question.
Ever!
So can I try again - please could you (or maybe one of those who have uppied you) give us a list other better alternatives. |
People do answer but then you get "i dont rate him" which then is humerous because we need to like oneil whilst others dont like the others mentioned
Lets be honest there isnt a manager who would have got 100% support before he signed. | |
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| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 20:06 - Jun 22 with 865 views | Leaky |
| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 17:56 - Jun 22 by ITFC_Essex |
He called out Marcus Evan's sh1t long before others had the guts to do so, so for me he has my respect. |
We all worked out that Evans bought the club to make a fast buck, took on the Dark Lord as manager, who then realised what he had signed for, screwed it up the rest is a history of decline. |  | | |
| I don’t think anyone could state that O’Neil is the perfect choice, or a…. on 20:14 - Jun 22 with 844 views | Vic |
| I don’t think anyone could state that O’Neil is the perfect choice, or a…. on 19:43 - Jun 22 by FrimleyBlue |
People do answer but then you get "i dont rate him" which then is humerous because we need to like oneil whilst others dont like the others mentioned
Lets be honest there isnt a manager who would have got 100% support before he signed. |
I must have missed them. Sorry to be a bore, but apart from OGS which other 'high profile' managers that are available have been suggested? | |
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| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 20:15 - Jun 22 with 843 views | itfc1108 |
He used to be pretty unkind to Ole as well, when he was at Man Utd, and when Amorin left and they were choosing between him and Carrick. He always called him mediocre I remember.
It also sounds like he is not totally convinced about Kieran leaving and his reasons.
Not that it matters what he thinks. | | | |
| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 20:32 - Jun 22 with 792 views | itfc2021 |
| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 18:32 - Jun 22 by Churchman |
So the Americans have left it all to the CEO. No accountability to the Board. That makes them just a bunch of hopeless mugs spewing their £millions up the wall while they tuck into their steaks and watch endless basketball.
Can’t see it.
Regardless, he and the owners will be appointing who they think is the best fit for the club. If he proves poor, he’ll be gone by the end of November just as Cook was. With him will probably go MA. Since when were Americans ever forgiving, lazy at that level or tolerant?
The club is growing. This isn’t the days of quick flip Evans appointing the boilerman or Mick circling the wagons while the owner sweat’s the assets. Just look at the last five years if you think it is.
I don’t know O’Neil. No idea. For me, no preconceptions, he gets a chance. Those who’ve decided otherwise, that’s your choice. Do I find him particularly interesting or inspiring? Not particularly but it is what it is and sometimes in life people are not what they seem.
Jordan? If he said it was raining I’d check before taking a brolly. He’s full of sht and always has been. Perfect for Talksport with that walking waste of DNA Jim White.
Whoever it is, give the bloke a chance. |
I think thats a fair post overall but I'd push back on a couple of THINGS.
Firstly, I don't think anyone is suggesting the owners are sat there eating steaks while Ashton runs the club completely unchecked . Thats obviously not how any serious ownership group operates. But equally, I don't think its controversial to say Ashton carries a HUGE amount of influence here. He's clearly the key football executive and has been for years.
The bit where I slightly disagree is this idea that if O'Neil fails by November then everyone just gets swept out the door and we move on. Thats possible of course , but if we're being honest thats also an admission that the appointment wasnt the BEST one available in the first place.
For me , if O'Neil is the guy then appoint him because you genuinely believe he's the right fit. Not because the market is poor, not because you're running out of time and definately not because you might replace him in six months when somebody else becomes available .
I actually think the owners deserve MORE credit than some people give them. The last five years have shown they're prepared to spend AMBITIOUSLY, they're prepared to back people and they're prepared to think LONG term. Thats not the behaviour of owners looking for a quick flip.
At the same time though , good owners still make mistakes. Every owner does. Every CEO does. Every sporting director does. The trick is recognising that questioning a decision isn't the same thing as wanting it to fail. Thats where alot of these discussions get a bit WEIRD.
As for giving him a chance..., well of course. Once he's appointed he'll get the same chance every manager gets. It would be pretty SILLY to write somebody off before they've even taken trainning.
That said, I don't think supporters have to pretend they're excited by every appointment either. People can support the club, support the manager and still have reservations. Those things arent mutually exclusive and never have been.
The Jordan stuff I mostly agree with . He HAS made a career out of having strong opinions on absolutely EVERYTHING. Sometimes he's right, sometimes he's talking complete rubbish. Thats the nature of punditry these days.
Where I keep coming back to is the same POINT. If Ashton and the owners genuinely think O'Neil is the best candidate available then fair enough. They'll have access to alot more information than any of us.
But if the defence of the appointment is simply "well there wasn't anybody else"... then thats a much harder arguement to buy into. Ipswich are in far far stronger position than they were five years ago and I'd hope the ambition of the appointment reflects THAT.
Ultimately though..., if he's announced tommorrow then all the debate becomes pretty pointlless. The conversation shifts from whether he should get the job to whether he can actually DO the job. And thats the bit that reallly matters. [Post edited 22 Jun 20:33]
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| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 20:38 - Jun 22 with 763 views | longtimefan |
| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 17:49 - Jun 22 by Metal_Hacker |
I get all this BUT tell us all who you’d have then |
Sounds like his first choice is someone who’s said he doesn’t want to be a manager! Says it all really. | | | |
| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 20:42 - Jun 22 with 754 views | itfc48 |
I couldn’t care less what Jordan has to say given his track record with Palace. I don’t actually mind it if the Cunha/Wolves stuff was true because he will have learned from it and become a better man manager as a result.
As many have alluded to we were fishing in a very small pond if PL experience was a prerequisite given our status as a new promoted club.
Every manager with experience that would have potentially been available/attainable will have had a bad job at some stage so GON’s second season at Wolves is not unique from this aspect. | | | |
| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 20:50 - Jun 22 with 720 views | NthQldITFC |
What was his record of picking managers like for the Stripey Nigels? I don't seem to recall them ever doing much. | |
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| I don’t think anyone could state that O’Neil is the perfect choice, or a…. on 20:57 - Jun 22 with 697 views | unstableblue |
| I don’t think anyone could state that O’Neil is the perfect choice, or a…. on 20:14 - Jun 22 by Vic |
I must have missed them. Sorry to be a bore, but apart from OGS which other 'high profile' managers that are available have been suggested? |
Exactly Vic.. I’ve asked the same… who are these amazing candidates?
For me O’Neil is better suited to our goals than OGS, Rosenoir and say a Dyche
I’ll for of course be backing O’Neil to the hilt despite my reservations. And in part this is because I don’t know who else we could have got. |  |
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| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 21:07 - Jun 22 with 680 views | BloomBlue |
I wanted Thomas Frank, but Jordan said similar about him and the Spurs job after he was sacked, said he was too weak at handling the pressure. Seems to be standard Jordan response |  | | |
| I don’t think anyone could state that O’Neil is the perfect choice, or a…. (n/t) on 21:10 - Jun 22 with 669 views | itfc2021 |
| I don’t think anyone could state that O’Neil is the perfect choice, or a…. on 20:57 - Jun 22 by unstableblue |
Exactly Vic.. I’ve asked the same… who are these amazing candidates?
For me O’Neil is better suited to our goals than OGS, Rosenoir and say a Dyche
I’ll for of course be backing O’Neil to the hilt despite my reservations. And in part this is because I don’t know who else we could have got. |
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| I don’t think anyone could state that O’Neil is the perfect choice, or a…. on 21:26 - Jun 22 with 620 views | portmanking |
| I don’t think anyone could state that O’Neil is the perfect choice, or a…. on 19:35 - Jun 22 by Vic |
PK - The reason it keeps getting asked is because no one answers the question.
Ever!
So can I try again - please could you (or maybe one of those who have uppied you) give us a list other better alternatives. |
For starters I'd have gone for OGS over O'Neil all day. Provided he had the right coaches around him. He'd have given us top European contacts and more presence/aura than rent-a-quote O'Neil.
As for other genuine options I'd have explored before O'Neil...
Anthony Barry ( if recruitment is key, he could have still been employed and supported recruitment while in US)
Kim Hellberg
Thiago Motta
Matthias Jaissle
Brendan Rodgers
Lee Carsley
Carlos Corberan
Thomas Frank (how hard did we try to tempt him out?) | | | |
| I don’t think anyone could state that O’Neil is the perfect choice, or a…. on 21:32 - Jun 22 with 607 views | itfc2021 |
| I don’t think anyone could state that O’Neil is the perfect choice, or a…. on 21:26 - Jun 22 by portmanking |
For starters I'd have gone for OGS over O'Neil all day. Provided he had the right coaches around him. He'd have given us top European contacts and more presence/aura than rent-a-quote O'Neil.
As for other genuine options I'd have explored before O'Neil...
Anthony Barry ( if recruitment is key, he could have still been employed and supported recruitment while in US)
Kim Hellberg
Thiago Motta
Matthias Jaissle
Brendan Rodgers
Lee Carsley
Carlos Corberan
Thomas Frank (how hard did we try to tempt him out?) |
interesting names in there but I think a few of them fall into the category of sounding alot more realistic on paper than they actually were.
OGS is probably the one I can most understand people wanting. Whatever people think of his time at Man United, he's managed at a very high level and there is a PRESENCE about him that would've got supporters excited. Whether he'd have suited the long-term model is another question entirely, but I can certainly see why people would've preferred that route.
The likes of Frank, Jaissle and Motta feel a bit of a STRETCH for where we are right now though. Frank had just taken a Champions League-level job, Jaissle is on huge money in Saudi and Motta would've had clubs with far bigger budgets than us looking at him. I'd be amazed if any of those were remotely attainable.
Corberan is probably the most interesting realistic name on that list for me. Carsley aswell would've been an interesting shout given his work with England's youngsters. Barry is another one where you can see the logic, particularly if the club's recruitment structure is as important as people say it is.
Ultimately though, we don't actually know who was approached, who turned us down or who wasn't interested in the first place. Thats the problem with these discussions. It's easy to build a dream shortlist but alot of those names may never have been realistic options.
I suppose the question isn't whether there were other good candidates out there, because there almost certainly were. It's whether O'Neil was the BEST fit from the pool of managers the club genuinely believed it could attract. None of us are really in a position to know the answer to that yet.
For now I'm happy to give him a CHANCE and judge him on what he actually does here rather than on the names that might or might not have been available. | | | |
| Simon Jordan has told Mark Ashton that O’Neil isn’t the right choice… on 21:59 - Jun 22 with 536 views | mellowblue |
Does not surprise me that he came across a weak to Jordan at the end of his tenure at Wolves. He came across to me as someone who had buckled under pressure and had lost the plot. Sent red flags to me at the time. And Ashton should have picked up on them as well, it being so in the public domain. Worries me, though if the deal is done, it will be a fresh start and hopefully he will have learned from it. | | | |
| I don’t think anyone could state that O’Neil is the perfect choice, or a…. on 01:35 - Jun 23 with 426 views | Olcol |
| I don’t think anyone could state that O’Neil is the perfect choice, or a…. on 20:14 - Jun 22 by Vic |
I must have missed them. Sorry to be a bore, but apart from OGS which other 'high profile' managers that are available have been suggested? |
OGS in my opinion. A natural draw for young strong players to look up too. We have a lot of recruiting to do. We have to bring in the right characters, this guy will do it. I can't imagine any flair players being attracted by GON, unless bad seeds like Cunha.
Just my take. | | | |
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