| This is absolutely horrible from Reform 20:53 - Jun 26 with 8309 views | StokieBlue |
They have expanded their plans against EU nationals if they get into power:
"Announcing what he called the “migrants labour levy”, Robert Jenrick, Reform’s Treasury spokesperson, said employers would have to pay higher national insurance for non-UK nationals, as well as an annual fee that would be more for lower earners, citing the possibility of £3,750 for someone on the “national living wage”, a surcharge of about 15%."
"There would be no additional consideration given for EU nationals, even if they had been in the UK for decades, or had a UK national partner and children, Jenrick said, and his message for such people was that if they lost their job because of the levy they should leave."
"Both the new policies would require a renegotiation of the Brexit deal, with the possibility that the EU would penalise UK nationals living in the bloc as a reciprocal policy, or impose trade barriers."
"If you are in this country and you are not a British citizen, and you are somebody who will not be able to stay in the UK under a Reform government, then you should think of leaving the country."
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| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 20:54 - Jun 26 with 3776 views | Zx1988 |
Scum. Every last one of them. |  |
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| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 21:01 - Jun 26 with 3706 views | eireblue |
They hate this country. |  | | |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 21:03 - Jun 26 with 3678 views | nrb1985 |
Sadly inevitable with Lowe dragging them ever further right.
Think you can be ready for far more of this as Lowe announces ever more ludicrous policies that Comrade Nige will have to combat. | | | |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 21:06 - Jun 26 with 3662 views | ITFC_Forever |
Horrible little party with a horrible little man running the show.
As and when all those people are laid off, businesses will go to the wall, as there won’t be enough Brits to do the jobs to the same standard. |  |
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| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 21:10 - Jun 26 with 3630 views | Nutkins_Return |
Evil racist scumbags really. | |
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| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 21:16 - Jun 26 with 3573 views | The_Major |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 21:06 - Jun 26 by ITFC_Forever |
Horrible little party with a horrible little man running the show.
As and when all those people are laid off, businesses will go to the wall, as there won’t be enough Brits to do the jobs to the same standard. |
Exactly. It is an inescapable demographic fact that the birth rate when those now retiring were born is a lot higher than the rate when those who are now entering working age.
And even if every single one of the new entrants was working, that gap is going to be there - and when you consider that there'll be some born here in say 2006 that don't live here anymore, or can't work due to a severe disability, or have even died, the simple numbers say we will need more people here. To not recognise this is rank stupidity.
But you know, someone got upset that they heard someone speak Polish in the queue at Skegness Tesco's, and here we are. |  | | |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 21:31 - Jun 26 with 3465 views | Axeldalai_lama |
It's perfect for reform voters. Do you think reform look at the ongoing economic and societal impact of such policies? Of course they don't. The only thing they look at, similar to their 'witty' rhyming half sentences about Starter, is what will stick in their supporters brains like an ear worm.
All the reform support want to know is if it is punishing those foreigners that they have already been told are getting everything and making reform supporters lives specifically bad. Punish foreigners good, two tier Kier bad. Put a cross by reform. Done. What's for tea. |  | | |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 21:42 - Jun 26 with 3406 views | benrhyddingblue |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 21:31 - Jun 26 by Axeldalai_lama |
It's perfect for reform voters. Do you think reform look at the ongoing economic and societal impact of such policies? Of course they don't. The only thing they look at, similar to their 'witty' rhyming half sentences about Starter, is what will stick in their supporters brains like an ear worm.
All the reform support want to know is if it is punishing those foreigners that they have already been told are getting everything and making reform supporters lives specifically bad. Punish foreigners good, two tier Kier bad. Put a cross by reform. Done. What's for tea. |
There is absolutely no thought into how this might impact businesses, just lowest common denominator policy. In my job I have two people who report to me, both of whom are not UK nationals. I employed them because they were the best out of hundreds of applicants. This policy if it ever came to fruition would seriously harm the business I am involved in. | | | |
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| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 21:47 - Jun 26 with 3363 views | The_Major |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 21:42 - Jun 26 by benrhyddingblue |
There is absolutely no thought into how this might impact businesses, just lowest common denominator policy. In my job I have two people who report to me, both of whom are not UK nationals. I employed them because they were the best out of hundreds of applicants. This policy if it ever came to fruition would seriously harm the business I am involved in. |
Exactly. In my team we have individuals from Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary, Romania, Albania, Ghana, and Nigeria. And all of them bring more value to the country than Farage and Jenrick do. | | | |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 21:47 - Jun 26 with 3366 views | reusersfreekicks |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 21:31 - Jun 26 by Axeldalai_lama |
It's perfect for reform voters. Do you think reform look at the ongoing economic and societal impact of such policies? Of course they don't. The only thing they look at, similar to their 'witty' rhyming half sentences about Starter, is what will stick in their supporters brains like an ear worm.
All the reform support want to know is if it is punishing those foreigners that they have already been told are getting everything and making reform supporters lives specifically bad. Punish foreigners good, two tier Kier bad. Put a cross by reform. Done. What's for tea. |
Like Trump voters they fall into 3 camps
The nasty bastards
The very thick and gullible ones
The ones who should know better but think they might be a few quid better off |  | | |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 21:53 - Jun 26 with 3312 views | Swansea_Blue |
I wonder how far they’ll go. This is remigration theory of course; creating barriers for immigrants so they chose to leave. Lowe and Restore go a step further and have been calling for direct deportations.
Where do they go next? Is there a precedent for what we’re looking at? The Nazi’s went from remigration (voluntary) to the Holocaust pretty quickly. Reform aren’t in a position to repeat that (yet, and I very much doubt even they would go that far). The US’ treatment of their undocumented ethnic minorities, maybe? That could well be on the cards.
It’s frightening that this stuff is now in the mainstream. |  |
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| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 22:00 - Jun 26 with 3259 views | Guthrum |
It'll open up loads of jobs for UK workers - who weren't filling those roles, on the wages those employers pay, in the first place. But it will destroy the care industry, so Reformers won't have anyone to wipe their arses in old age. |  |
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| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 22:04 - Jun 26 with 3228 views | Guthrum |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 21:16 - Jun 26 by The_Major |
Exactly. It is an inescapable demographic fact that the birth rate when those now retiring were born is a lot higher than the rate when those who are now entering working age.
And even if every single one of the new entrants was working, that gap is going to be there - and when you consider that there'll be some born here in say 2006 that don't live here anymore, or can't work due to a severe disability, or have even died, the simple numbers say we will need more people here. To not recognise this is rank stupidity.
But you know, someone got upset that they heard someone speak Polish in the queue at Skegness Tesco's, and here we are. |
Oh, but they are in favour of upping the birthrate, too. Women should be having babies! | |
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| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 22:05 - Jun 26 with 3210 views | Guthrum |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 21:03 - Jun 26 by nrb1985 |
Sadly inevitable with Lowe dragging them ever further right.
Think you can be ready for far more of this as Lowe announces ever more ludicrous policies that Comrade Nige will have to combat. |
Good. Hopefully they will pull each other down the drain and into unelectability. | |
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| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 22:11 - Jun 26 with 3188 views | Freddies_Ears |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 22:00 - Jun 26 by Guthrum |
It'll open up loads of jobs for UK workers - who weren't filling those roles, on the wages those employers pay, in the first place. But it will destroy the care industry, so Reformers won't have anyone to wipe their arses in old age. |
This policy would risk breaking up not just hundreds of thousands, but potentially millions, of families, due to simple racism and ignorance. | | | |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 22:15 - Jun 26 with 3149 views | The_Major |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 22:04 - Jun 26 by Guthrum |
Oh, but they are in favour of upping the birthrate, too. Women should be having babies! |
Forgot about that, but quite how that will solve the labour crisis before 2044/45 at the earliest, I'm not sure.
Mind you, they'd probably be in favour of kids working before they're in double digits | | | |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 22:25 - Jun 26 with 3091 views | Blueschev |
They’re scum for scum’s sake. There is no grievance, they’re just awful, horrible people. There’s no benefit to a policy like that, just punitive racism. Fcuk them, and if you vote for them, shame on you. [Post edited 26 Jun 22:31]
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| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 22:29 - Jun 26 with 3067 views | balcombeblue |
No arguments from me on this one. | | | |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 22:30 - Jun 26 with 3061 views | positivity |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 22:04 - Jun 26 by Guthrum |
Oh, but they are in favour of upping the birthrate, too. Women should be having babies! |
but definitely not with black, asian, european, hindi or jewish men! | |
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| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 23:07 - Jun 26 with 2878 views | chantryblueboy |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 21:42 - Jun 26 by benrhyddingblue |
There is absolutely no thought into how this might impact businesses, just lowest common denominator policy. In my job I have two people who report to me, both of whom are not UK nationals. I employed them because they were the best out of hundreds of applicants. This policy if it ever came to fruition would seriously harm the business I am involved in. |
The fact that there were hundreds of applicants doesn’t sound like a problem to you? | | | |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 23:21 - Jun 26 with 2834 views | Whos_blue |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 23:07 - Jun 26 by chantryblueboy |
The fact that there were hundreds of applicants doesn’t sound like a problem to you? |
Go on. Be interesting to see where you're going with this one. |  |
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| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 23:32 - Jun 26 with 2776 views | chantryblueboy |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 23:21 - Jun 26 by Whos_blue |
Go on. Be interesting to see where you're going with this one. |
Youth un/underemployment is ridiculous. New girl at work, just left Uni of Surrey with a degree in politics and economics had to apply for over 100 jobs to get one despite having a good education and having been in some form of employment since she was 16. And this is for an entry level position
Shouldn’t be applied as a blanket but incentivising the hiring of young Brits as opposed to foreign nationals is definitely necessary [Post edited 26 Jun 23:33]
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| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 23:40 - Jun 26 with 2726 views | StokieBlue |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 23:32 - Jun 26 by chantryblueboy |
Youth un/underemployment is ridiculous. New girl at work, just left Uni of Surrey with a degree in politics and economics had to apply for over 100 jobs to get one despite having a good education and having been in some form of employment since she was 16. And this is for an entry level position
Shouldn’t be applied as a blanket but incentivising the hiring of young Brits as opposed to foreign nationals is definitely necessary [Post edited 26 Jun 23:33]
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He didn't say what level role it was, you've assumed it was an entry level position and then constructed a narrative around it which fits your views.
What if that "foreign national" is someone who has lived here for 20 years, has a British partner and a couple of British kids and is actually properly qualified for the role that is available?
Should they be excluded for someone who is less or not qualified at all just because they are British?
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| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 23:46 - Jun 26 with 2692 views | chantryblueboy |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 23:40 - Jun 26 by StokieBlue |
He didn't say what level role it was, you've assumed it was an entry level position and then constructed a narrative around it which fits your views.
What if that "foreign national" is someone who has lived here for 20 years, has a British partner and a couple of British kids and is actually properly qualified for the role that is available?
Should they be excluded for someone who is less or not qualified at all just because they are British?
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I didn’t assume the role he was talking about was an entry level role but made a broader point about un/underemployment based on my experiences
You also haven’t read my point where I said it shouldn’t be applied as a blanket but hiring Brits should be incentivised
All I can go off is my own experience. There’s serious issues of foreign nationals who are here on sponsored visas being exploited in the audit industry at the moment, because they know if they don’t meet ridiculous ‘performance expectations’ (allow themselves to be exploited) they can be sacked and risk deportation. This contributes to horrible working environments and wage suppression. Obviously the ‘guilty party’ there is the firms that use evil tactics like this to be exploitative but ultimately it happens because it is easier for them to hire and exploit foreign workers on sponsored visas | | | |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 23:54 - Jun 26 with 2654 views | redrickstuhaart |
| This is absolutely horrible from Reform on 23:32 - Jun 26 by chantryblueboy |
Youth un/underemployment is ridiculous. New girl at work, just left Uni of Surrey with a degree in politics and economics had to apply for over 100 jobs to get one despite having a good education and having been in some form of employment since she was 16. And this is for an entry level position
Shouldn’t be applied as a blanket but incentivising the hiring of young Brits as opposed to foreign nationals is definitely necessary [Post edited 26 Jun 23:33]
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