| Controversial I know. 09:49 - Jul 5 with 7638 views | OldFart71 |
Yes I am aware that it's controversial. Probably classed as sexist, but I dislike women commentators/pundits in football.
Before anyone says I don't believe a woman's place is either in the kitchen or the bedroom. They have every right to be on a par with men in any aspect of life. |  | | |  |
| Controversial I know. on 12:51 - Jul 5 with 937 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Controversial I know. on 11:23 - Jul 5 by Churchman |
Sorry, I really don’t understand your first sentence.
The OP raised an interesting question for discussion around women commentating on a men’s team sport. That’s all. |
It's not interesting at all.
It's plain old fashioned sexism which you are trying to give a veil of rationality and depth. It has neither.
If you think some of the hackneyed old pros offering lazy uninformed views are better than Emma Hayes and Karen Carney, or the best journalists, then wow frankly. [Post edited 5 Jul 12:59]
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| Controversial I know. on 12:59 - Jul 5 with 897 views | Churchman |
| Controversial I know. on 12:51 - Jul 5 by reusersfreekicks |
It's not interesting at all.
It's plain old fashioned sexism which you are trying to give a veil of rationality and depth. It has neither.
If you think some of the hackneyed old pros offering lazy uninformed views are better than Emma Hayes and Karen Carney, or the best journalists, then wow frankly. [Post edited 5 Jul 12:59]
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Not interesting to you. That’s fine. It’s your opinion.
Plain old fashioned seismic? Not sure what you mean by that. I always took seismic to mean volcanic activity. There is no depth, just a like and a dislike. A view. Nothing more. Same applies to who provides pundit views if one has to suffer them, which I’ll not repeat.
Edit: Ahh, I see you’ve put what you mentioned in now. Sexism. Your view, fine. Not mine. [Post edited 5 Jul 13:01]
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| Controversial I know. on 13:10 - Jul 5 with 856 views | jayessess |
| Controversial I know. on 12:00 - Jul 5 by ipswichtillidie |
It’s not controversial. Some people like to make it that way but I too prefer the voice of a male commentator rather than that of a female voice. Each to their own I guess. |
People love to put this down as a "simple preference" like our preferences are somehow untouched by society and culture.
How do we arrive at the sense that deep voices have gravitas and high-pitched voices are irritating? Even down to the language, how many positive words do we have for deep voices? How many negative ones for high-pitched ones? How much of our popular culture, our literature makes men with deep voices wise and men with high-pitch ones feminised?
It's always worth questioning what our simple preferences are produced by. |  |
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| Controversial I know. on 13:13 - Jul 5 with 838 views | Churchman |
| Controversial I know. on 13:10 - Jul 5 by jayessess |
People love to put this down as a "simple preference" like our preferences are somehow untouched by society and culture.
How do we arrive at the sense that deep voices have gravitas and high-pitched voices are irritating? Even down to the language, how many positive words do we have for deep voices? How many negative ones for high-pitched ones? How much of our popular culture, our literature makes men with deep voices wise and men with high-pitch ones feminised?
It's always worth questioning what our simple preferences are produced by. |
Interesting. Nature or nurture? | | | |
| Controversial I know. on 13:27 - Jul 5 with 798 views | eireblue |
| Controversial I know. on 12:18 - Jul 5 by Churchman |
Of course. If somebody improves you they do just that. If there is somebody more qualified than them who do you prefer? |
So your pace and physicality wasn’t a problem for the female coach? |  | | |
| Controversial I know. on 13:32 - Jul 5 with 782 views | Churchman |
| Controversial I know. on 13:27 - Jul 5 by eireblue |
So your pace and physicality wasn’t a problem for the female coach? |
Not with the training I was doing and the skill set she had.
And I never had any pace anyway, not that that was relevant. | | | |
| Controversial I know. on 13:33 - Jul 5 with 783 views | J2BLUE |
I don't understand why people who don't like female pundits feel the need to tell the rest of us. No one is forcing you to listen. I mute the HT pundits when it's the likes of Rooney, Merson, Shearer and Joe Cole.
Like with the men, there are good and bad female pundits.
Sue Smith is the best Soccer Saturday pundit and it's not even close. |  | | |
| Controversial I know. on 13:37 - Jul 5 with 748 views | Wallingford_Boy |
I agree.
Yet to see a good one.
The men’s game is just different. |  |
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| Controversial I know. on 13:37 - Jul 5 with 764 views | ipswichtillidie |
| Controversial I know. on 13:10 - Jul 5 by jayessess |
People love to put this down as a "simple preference" like our preferences are somehow untouched by society and culture.
How do we arrive at the sense that deep voices have gravitas and high-pitched voices are irritating? Even down to the language, how many positive words do we have for deep voices? How many negative ones for high-pitched ones? How much of our popular culture, our literature makes men with deep voices wise and men with high-pitch ones feminised?
It's always worth questioning what our simple preferences are produced by. |
I think perhaps as the post below it might be a nature thing. Perhaps it’s familiarity of some incredible male commentators. For me I think the deeper sounding male voice in preference to a higher pitched one certainly rings true. |  |
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| Controversial I know. on 13:41 - Jul 5 with 736 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Controversial I know. on 13:33 - Jul 5 by J2BLUE |
I don't understand why people who don't like female pundits feel the need to tell the rest of us. No one is forcing you to listen. I mute the HT pundits when it's the likes of Rooney, Merson, Shearer and Joe Cole.
Like with the men, there are good and bad female pundits.
Sue Smith is the best Soccer Saturday pundit and it's not even close. |
That weird little flick she does with her wrist every time she talks!
She’s soooooo annoying! | |
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| Controversial I know. on 13:44 - Jul 5 with 730 views | eireblue |
| Controversial I know. on 13:32 - Jul 5 by Churchman |
Not with the training I was doing and the skill set she had.
And I never had any pace anyway, not that that was relevant. |
So what’s your experience of being coached by someone who’s has less pace and power?
How would you know an excellent coach or analyst can’t add value to an elite sportsman?
Most coaches have less pace and power than the people they coach.
Seems to me you are posting from the same perspective that you think a female has, hasn’t done it, so can’t understand it.
You are not an elite sportsperson that has been coached to be better, so you haven’t done it, so can’t understand it, surely that is a logically consistent position?
Or alternatively, let’s take this example, why would a female physio, not understand stress and strain on a human body that happens to be male. | | | |
| Controversial I know. on 13:47 - Jul 5 with 718 views | Ryorry |
| Controversial I know. on 13:10 - Jul 5 by jayessess |
People love to put this down as a "simple preference" like our preferences are somehow untouched by society and culture.
How do we arrive at the sense that deep voices have gravitas and high-pitched voices are irritating? Even down to the language, how many positive words do we have for deep voices? How many negative ones for high-pitched ones? How much of our popular culture, our literature makes men with deep voices wise and men with high-pitch ones feminised?
It's always worth questioning what our simple preferences are produced by. |
Can only speak for myself, but for me it’s nothing whatsoever to do with culture, sociology, indoctrination or ‘isms’. It’s purely physical and sensory - i find lower tones more soothing and relaxing generally, same as I find subdued, faded shades of white more soothing and relaxing visually on screens than full bright white ones. |  |
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| Controversial I know. on 13:52 - Jul 5 with 714 views | Waig |
| Controversial I know. on 11:13 - Jul 5 by MattinLondon |
Your second paragraph is nonsense.
Same pitch dimensions, same ball size, same goal post size etc etc. Everything about the woman’s game (on the pitch) is the same as the men’s. |
It is the same. I started watching women’s football in 2007 when I was off sick and watched the women’s World Cup. I instantly enjoyed it and I’ve seen it flourish lately. It’s still slightly behind but that’s to be expected and it will constantly get better and evolve just as the men’s game has.
My daughter plays, I’ve always encouraged it. | | | |
| Controversial I know. on 14:01 - Jul 5 with 691 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Controversial I know. on 13:52 - Jul 5 by Waig |
It is the same. I started watching women’s football in 2007 when I was off sick and watched the women’s World Cup. I instantly enjoyed it and I’ve seen it flourish lately. It’s still slightly behind but that’s to be expected and it will constantly get better and evolve just as the men’s game has.
My daughter plays, I’ve always encouraged it. |
I’ve been coaching the women’s game for 11 years, my daughter plays, I love it.
But it’s a different game from the men’s, very different!
They can be enjoyed independently though. | |
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| Controversial I know. on 14:05 - Jul 5 with 687 views | Waig |
| Controversial I know. on 14:01 - Jul 5 by Wallingford_Boy |
I’ve been coaching the women’s game for 11 years, my daughter plays, I love it.
But it’s a different game from the men’s, very different!
They can be enjoyed independently though. |
Of course it’s different, what league you in being in Wallingford? My daughter is in theBerks Country Girls league. U15s next year. | | | |
| Controversial I know. on 14:18 - Jul 5 with 653 views | mellowblue |
I feel the same. Though I am sure the women do an adequate job. I also think pundits are a waste of space. They bring little analyis or insight. And the matey to and back with the commentator is something I can do without. It is probably traditionalism if it is an ism, but just give me a male commentator on his own. Preferably a clone of Barry Davies. | | | |
| Controversial I know. on 14:29 - Jul 5 with 642 views | blueoutlook |
They are sh!te , there, I’ve said what most really think. Turned the game off the other night where one was commentating. They should stick to the women’s game. Mind you they could take Danny Murphy, Keane, Rooney and Dixon with them. |  | | |
| Controversial I know. on 14:34 - Jul 5 with 615 views | FrimleyBlue |
I dont mind them. I think it depends who and when.
Emma hayes for example.. after or before a game. Great insight. But the water break stuff i found painful. Her presentation skills arent the best but her insight was.
Theres a sky reporter bianca. The voice does my head in
But there are male pundits who annoy me too.
Its not a male/female things. Its more complex than that imo.
If you were offered emmas views or lee dixons. Its gonna be emmas. |  |
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| Controversial I know. on 14:48 - Jul 5 with 592 views | Plums |
| Controversial I know. on 11:19 - Jul 5 by lazyblue |
I don’t think is necessary either , it’s purely box ticking and honestly it doesn’t work as well particularly for match commentary. |
This may be a revelation to you but over 50% of the UK population is female. How on earth could it be box ticking with that demographic? |  |
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| Controversial I know. on 15:29 - Jul 5 with 544 views | jayessess |
| Controversial I know. on 13:13 - Jul 5 by Churchman |
Interesting. Nature or nurture? |
I mean, I think it'd be awfully coincidental if the hierarchy that we attach to voice pitch just happens to match the gender hierarchies our societies have been built on for centuries. | |
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| Controversial I know. on 15:32 - Jul 5 with 538 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Controversial I know. on 13:37 - Jul 5 by Wallingford_Boy |
I agree.
Yet to see a good one.
The men’s game is just different. |
Well that's a surprise - not. | | | |
| Controversial I know. on 15:38 - Jul 5 with 516 views | Whos_blue |
| Controversial I know. on 14:29 - Jul 5 by blueoutlook |
They are sh!te , there, I’ve said what most really think. Turned the game off the other night where one was commentating. They should stick to the women’s game. Mind you they could take Danny Murphy, Keane, Rooney and Dixon with them. |
"where 'one' was commentating".
In one phrase you've completely erased them as people.
Is that how you refer to your mum, sister, daughter or any female friends?
Completely classless and for the record, you don't speak for me or what I think.
Vile post. |  |
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| Controversial I know. on 15:41 - Jul 5 with 508 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Controversial I know. on 10:26 - Jul 5 by Churchman |
Actually I feel the same. I wondered if it’s sexism. Don’t do isms so no. Is it because it’s a relatively recent phenomena. Maybe, but I don’t think so. Is it because they are no good. No, there’s just as many dreadful male commentators and pundits including the abysmal Shearer and whine merchant Dixon.
I think it’s because women’s football, like cricket and some other sports, is fundamentally different. How can they truly understand it from an expert perspective any more than a male understand women’s football?
The contradiction is that I have no problem with it with things like athletics, gymnastics, winter sports so maybe it comes down to familiarity.
I have no problem with women like Scott, Logan and Cates (all excellent) chairing panels but somehow that’s different.
Just for balance, Mrs C feels the same way. The one that drives her nuts is the cricket commentator Lydia Greenway, or Lydia Dustbin, as she likes to call her.
An interesting thread/question. |
"How can they truly understand it from an expert perspective any more than a male understand women’s football?"
What an absolute load of sexist nonsense that is. There are female coaches in sporting set ups all over the world at various different age groups There are male coaches at some of the best women's teams in the world. Not just in football there are female coaches all around the NFL, coaching men. They must understand it fine. Why is it any different when it comes to talking about it.
Bizarre thing to say. Seeing though as you don't do isms, I dread to think which other opinions you hold. [Post edited 5 Jul 15:46]
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| Controversial I know. on 16:10 - Jul 5 with 456 views | OldFart71 |
May I say I am very happy with the fact that so many have taken to the forum to debate this subject. Thanks.
Whilst I have said I don't particularly like women commentators/pundits that's not to say that many men are that capable either.
You have defenders criticising goalkeepers and forwards when they have little or no knowledge of positional sense or in fact scoring goals.
Some of it appears to be "jobs for the boys" why they get these jobs. | | | |
| Controversial I know. on 16:24 - Jul 5 with 420 views | BlueBoots |
| Controversial I know. on 13:33 - Jul 5 by J2BLUE |
I don't understand why people who don't like female pundits feel the need to tell the rest of us. No one is forcing you to listen. I mute the HT pundits when it's the likes of Rooney, Merson, Shearer and Joe Cole.
Like with the men, there are good and bad female pundits.
Sue Smith is the best Soccer Saturday pundit and it's not even close. |
"Like with the men, there are good and bad female pundits."
That said, I've yet to see a female pundit worse than Wayne Rooney; bloke can hardly string a sentence together, and when he does, never has anything particularly insightful to say. Absolutely stealing a living at it, probably just as he was as a manager. |  |
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