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The two World Cup final coaches were ones who rose through the national ranks, so no guarantee a big name club manager will have the same success at international level (see also Ancelotti). I’d rather see the FA put the money for Guardiola’s astronomical wages to funding more coaches
As has now been widely reported, they had an agreement which Pep later reneged on.
In the meantime, we gave TT a new deal.
As somebody else said, the three world class club coaches (TT, Poch, Ancelotti) all did naff all at this tournament. So no guarantee even with Pep we'd get over the line. Albeit that's no reason TT should remain in post, given his abject failure vs. the argies.
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Guardiola to Italy? on 11:17 - Jul 22 with 1681 views
As has now been widely reported, they had an agreement which Pep later reneged on.
In the meantime, we gave TT a new deal.
As somebody else said, the three world class club coaches (TT, Poch, Ancelotti) all did naff all at this tournament. So no guarantee even with Pep we'd get over the line. Albeit that's no reason TT should remain in post, given his abject failure vs. the argies.
TT got us to third. Our world ranking is fourth. I wouldn't call that 'naff all'.
No. I think that Tuchel would’ve learnt from the semi-final defeat and after contemplation he probably acknowledges that his tactics were wrong. Hopefully he’ll learn from this and move on more positivity towards the next tournament.
In this country, a large percentage seemingly want a quick fix and sack someone in order for that quick fix to materialise but it rarely happens.
I’ll keep with Tuchel and trust in him to build upon the national teams best performance in over 60 years. All this sacking and replacing is tedious.
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Guardiola to Italy? on 11:18 - Jul 22 with 1672 views
As has now been widely reported, they had an agreement which Pep later reneged on.
In the meantime, we gave TT a new deal.
As somebody else said, the three world class club coaches (TT, Poch, Ancelotti) all did naff all at this tournament. So no guarantee even with Pep we'd get over the line. Albeit that's no reason TT should remain in post, given his abject failure vs. the argies.
Harsh on TT and Poch
TT misjudged against Argentina no doubt some poor choices therr but got us to a wc semi final
Poch did well. USA now have some gokd players but not yet a great team and he was hamstring by by Trups intervention that gave Belgium all the motivation they needed.
Maybe PG wouldn't care but I think it could damage his reputation massively if it didn't go well.
Also not sure it would be a great fit, Pep's always had the absolute best technical players - either inherited or bought - albeit with clever scouting.
Guardiola to Italy? on 11:17 - Jul 22 by MattinLondon
No. I think that Tuchel would’ve learnt from the semi-final defeat and after contemplation he probably acknowledges that his tactics were wrong. Hopefully he’ll learn from this and move on more positivity towards the next tournament.
In this country, a large percentage seemingly want a quick fix and sack someone in order for that quick fix to materialise but it rarely happens.
I’ll keep with Tuchel and trust in him to build upon the national teams best performance in over 60 years. All this sacking and replacing is tedious.
I hope he's learned, and I hope privately he admits he got it very wrong.
Guardiola to Italy? on 11:17 - Jul 22 by MattinLondon
No. I think that Tuchel would’ve learnt from the semi-final defeat and after contemplation he probably acknowledges that his tactics were wrong. Hopefully he’ll learn from this and move on more positivity towards the next tournament.
In this country, a large percentage seemingly want a quick fix and sack someone in order for that quick fix to materialise but it rarely happens.
I’ll keep with Tuchel and trust in him to build upon the national teams best performance in over 60 years. All this sacking and replacing is tedious.
Spot on. Even if he won't admit it publicly (because he'd probably be slaughtered even more) I'm sure he has learned a helluva lot from that game. Probably more than any other game.
Wanting a quick fix - welcome to the modern world.
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Guardiola to Italy? on 11:51 - Jul 22 with 1382 views
TT got us to third. Our world ranking is fourth. I wouldn't call that 'naff all'.
I'd say he did alright tbh. On paper we got through the group in 1st, overcame a difficult Mexico on their own patch and with conditions against us, and a strong Norway who had knocked out Brazil. Properly shat the bed against Argentina though, they're not that good and we showed them far too much respect after we took the lead. Whatever he says publicly, there must be a huge sense of regret that we didn't have the conviction to kill them off when they were on the ropes. 12% possession after scoring (with 11 men), so passive, so fecking disappointing.
Deserves the chance to take us to the 2028 Euros though.
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Guardiola to Italy? on 12:01 - Jul 22 with 1304 views
Guardiola has built his reputation by only ever managing/coaching at the richest clubs in Catalonia and Germany and one of the richest clubs in England. Always had loadsamoney to get new players to improve his team. Can't do that with a national team where you have to make the most of what is there. He has no experience of having to do that at any level.
Farewell Kieran Mckenna, our best manager of the post Evans era so far.
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Guardiola to Italy? on 12:11 - Jul 22 with 1250 views
TT got us to third. Our world ranking is fourth. I wouldn't call that 'naff all'.
You're right, it's not something you can ignore, he deserves credit for getting England the highest placed WC finish for 60 years, he did what others couldn't.
I do have to admit though that I feel England get there in spite of TT, rather than as a result of him.
Post Southgate the performances have generally been pretty subpar, qualifying was routine, as always, but there were some real tough moments, both performances against Andorra, Serbia at home, Albania away, those games were void of any quality. The friendly results were very erratic too, real poor performances against Senegal, New Zealand and Japan.
The WC squad selection made little sense, and maybe highlighted a bit of a poor understanding of his players, their injury records, and their abilities to play in various positions. The Chalobah call when offered a chance to address a problem area was laughable too, that came back to haunt him big time.
Performance wise, minus 25 minutes against Croatia, and the manner of the victory over Mexico, England were poor, levels below the abilities of the players he had. There was no identifiable style of play, no progressive attacking outlets, questionable lineups, the only real tactical input you could see was when we parked the bus and sat deep to see out games....sometimes more successfully than others. The players didn't seem to buy in to what he was doing, and it didn't really seem like he had a plan.
I'm not a fan of the constant turnover of managers, but despite on paper his time being relative success, I'm not sure I trust him with this team going forward. This wasn't a united team, which was what GS was great at building, this was disjointed and naive.
If Pep is up for it, give him what he wants and get him in.
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Guardiola to Italy? on 12:15 - Jul 22 with 1210 views
TT got us to third. Our world ranking is fourth. I wouldn't call that 'naff all'.
And in addition beating Mexico in Mexico City when they hadn't conceded a goal there all tournament and hadn't lost in something like 16 games there, at altitude, with no preparation time, with 10 men, is not a small matter.
Add in seeing off Croatia comfortably, edging a tight game with Norway and an in form Haaland, and beating the French galactiqués in a goal-frenzy.
Won 6 Drew 1 Lost 1
Par for England at a tournament is Quarter Finals with at least one very good performance against decent opposition. He gave us at least three very good performances and won two more games than if we had gone out in the quarters.
People calling for him to be sacked need to stop and think what kind of message that sends to any prospective replacement.
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Guardiola to Italy? on 15:05 - Jul 22 with 941 views
Guardiola to Italy? on 14:58 - Jul 22 by ArnoldMoorhen
And in addition beating Mexico in Mexico City when they hadn't conceded a goal there all tournament and hadn't lost in something like 16 games there, at altitude, with no preparation time, with 10 men, is not a small matter.
Add in seeing off Croatia comfortably, edging a tight game with Norway and an in form Haaland, and beating the French galactiqués in a goal-frenzy.
Won 6 Drew 1 Lost 1
Par for England at a tournament is Quarter Finals with at least one very good performance against decent opposition. He gave us at least three very good performances and won two more games than if we had gone out in the quarters.
People calling for him to be sacked need to stop and think what kind of message that sends to any prospective replacement.
Historical par may be quarters but we were ranked 4th in the world coming into the tournament and had made semis at least in 3 of the last 4 major tournaments. Based on that quarters would absolutely not have been par
I think a few of the other points are doing some rather heavy lifting there too (France game highly enjoyable but a glorified friendly, Croatia frankly being a shadow of what they were 8 years ago and Norway whilst decent is hardly the toughest of QF tests)
I think most of the tournament was fairly underwhelming, save for the Mexico game which was genuinely an excellent result, and with the manager tactically sh*tting the bed at the worst possible time to end the tournament proper for us. I can see the argument for him staying but personally think his position is largely now untenable, and if he doesn’t go now will inevitably be gone at some point over the next 2 years with nothing gained from him staying
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Historical par may be quarters but we were ranked 4th in the world coming into the tournament and had made semis at least in 3 of the last 4 major tournaments. Based on that quarters would absolutely not have been par
I think a few of the other points are doing some rather heavy lifting there too (France game highly enjoyable but a glorified friendly, Croatia frankly being a shadow of what they were 8 years ago and Norway whilst decent is hardly the toughest of QF tests)
I think most of the tournament was fairly underwhelming, save for the Mexico game which was genuinely an excellent result, and with the manager tactically sh*tting the bed at the worst possible time to end the tournament proper for us. I can see the argument for him staying but personally think his position is largely now untenable, and if he doesn’t go now will inevitably be gone at some point over the next 2 years with nothing gained from him staying
"Untenable"? Really?
I would say he needs to show that he's learned from the mistakes he made in the semi-final (and I think he will), but untenable? Come on...
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Guardiola to Italy? on 16:20 - Jul 22 with 795 views
Guardiola to Italy? on 15:51 - Jul 22 by farkenhell
"Untenable"? Really?
I would say he needs to show that he's learned from the mistakes he made in the semi-final (and I think he will), but untenable? Come on...
Press and players have both seemingly turned on him, as have the majority of the country. Knives will be out the second we next have an underwhelming performance, and just feels inevitable how it will all end
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Am I the only one who thinks Pep won't be a good international manager.
Not because he can't buy his way to winning but because he seems so intense and gets his teams to play the way he does over the training every day etc.
Having players there a week every few months, I don't think will suit him.
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Guardiola to Italy? on 18:23 - Jul 22 with 644 views
The two World Cup final coaches were ones who rose through the national ranks, so no guarantee a big name club manager will have the same success at international level (see also Ancelotti). I’d rather see the FA put the money for Guardiola’s astronomical wages to funding more coaches
Fair comment, I'd add, better ones to that wish too. Big fan of Pep though!
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Guardiola to Italy? on 10:14 - Jul 23 with 397 views
The two World Cup final coaches were ones who rose through the national ranks, so no guarantee a big name club manager will have the same success at international level (see also Ancelotti). I’d rather see the FA put the money for Guardiola’s astronomical wages to funding more coaches
So, you are saying the next England manager will be:
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Guardiola to Italy? on 11:37 - Jul 23 with 311 views
International football is completely different to club football. I genuinely believe that being an elite club manager counts for very little at international level.
Yes, managers like Ancelotti, Tuchel, Pochettino and Guardiola are among the best in the world — that’s undeniable — but their club success doesn’t guarantee anything when they step into international football.
England had some of their best years under Southgate, who as a coach isn’t remotely on Guardiola’s level. Spain have just won a major tournament with a manager who has zero top‑level club experience. Argentina’s manager has achieved very little in club football too.
Succeeding internationally is a completely different job. You can’t condition players to understand complex systems and tactical structures in the short windows you get with them. It’s far more about accepting the squad’s strengths and weaknesses and figuring out how to maximise what’s already there. You simply don’t have the time to mould players into your philosophy.
This, in my view, is exactly why top managers often struggle at international level. They have their principles, but expect to implement them within a month-long camp. It just isn’t realistic.
I’ve long believed England could get far more out of the squad by appointing a manager who specialises in overachieving with limited resources — someone used to working without elite players or an unlimited budget, and who has a track record of making things work with what they’ve got.
I’m absolutely convinced we’d do just as well, if not better, with someone like John Eustace, Phil Parkinson or, dare I say it, Gary O’Neill in charge.
It’ll never happen, though. The media would crucify the FA for taking that approach.
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