| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! 07:13 - Nov 10 with 1653 views | Dubtractor |
Its the first defeat that has really irritated me this season.
A game we could easily have got something from, on the evidence of the day, but didn't because of two horrendous goals given away at the worst moments.
The first after we'd made a really positive and imposing start to the game. And tge second straight after half time, undoing whatever we'd planned and allowing Bournemouth to spoil for the rest of the game.
The fact that the last 4 goals conceded were from (sometimes multiple) errors really compounds things.
I've been really impressed with our start to the season in general, but we really should have more points after the last 2 games.
Stating the obvious I know, but we have really got to make teams work much harder for goals against us. |  |
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| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 07:32 - Nov 10 | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Totally agree with this. It’s not the result per se - they are a very good side, it’s that we handed it to them on a plate with the most basic of errors.
The drawing them out by playing out from the back, surely only works against inferior teams that will otherwise low block. Bournemouth showed possibly the most intense high press I’ve seen at PR this season - we didn’t need to be drawing them out.
For me, I really expected us to sit in more and hit them on the break as we didn’t vs Sunderland in the first game. Our possession has gone up, and at times the football is sublime, but results have gone backwards, we need to start getting the basics right. |  | | |
| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 07:49 - Nov 10 | homer_123 |
| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 07:32 - Nov 10 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Totally agree with this. It’s not the result per se - they are a very good side, it’s that we handed it to them on a plate with the most basic of errors.
The drawing them out by playing out from the back, surely only works against inferior teams that will otherwise low block. Bournemouth showed possibly the most intense high press I’ve seen at PR this season - we didn’t need to be drawing them out.
For me, I really expected us to sit in more and hit them on the break as we didn’t vs Sunderland in the first game. Our possession has gone up, and at times the football is sublime, but results have gone backwards, we need to start getting the basics right. |
B'mouth reminded me of our time in the Prem under KM.
Decent football, opportunities created but 'errors' costing us dearly. |  |
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| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 07:52 - Nov 10 | Dubtractor |
| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 07:49 - Nov 10 by homer_123 |
B'mouth reminded me of our time in the Prem under KM.
Decent football, opportunities created but 'errors' costing us dearly. |
Yep. Very much felt like a 24/25 game. | |
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| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 07:54 - Nov 10 | Blue_Uprising |
I’m most irritated about the Hull match. This one just feels like we got the result that was expected just through an unexpected route. This had a real feeling of the Liverpool game in re-run to me.
I still feel a more defensive and compact shape would serve us well in the long run - a 3 4 2 1. I can only see us going toe to toe with about 5 teams (even at home). although I think I’m in the minority believing that here, and that approach does not seem to be in GONs plans.
Pleased with the point haul so far but they are going to be like gold dust in the next few games. |  | | |
| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 07:57 - Nov 10 | Keno |
yep feel the same
we cant go on giving teams 2 goals a game, with such basic errors
I was going to say schoolboy errors, but that harsh on schoolboys |  |
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| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 08:08 - Nov 10 | Mullet |
| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 07:54 - Nov 10 by Blue_Uprising |
I’m most irritated about the Hull match. This one just feels like we got the result that was expected just through an unexpected route. This had a real feeling of the Liverpool game in re-run to me.
I still feel a more defensive and compact shape would serve us well in the long run - a 3 4 2 1. I can only see us going toe to toe with about 5 teams (even at home). although I think I’m in the minority believing that here, and that approach does not seem to be in GONs plans.
Pleased with the point haul so far but they are going to be like gold dust in the next few games. |
Hull was far worse given we should have smashed them and been out of sight. I think it’s the context of the two back to back which really grinds. |  |
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| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 08:34 - Nov 10 | Metal_Hacker |
It's felt like rinse and repeat so far this season with the number of mistakes
Stating the obvious now but I'm sure every man and his dog can see the issues with have within the management and the senior playing staff but what I don't understand is that I can't see where we have tried to fix those issues other than making an obvious move and switching Dara O'Shea back into the middle from RB and moving in Abdoul Outtara
From a playing perspective we've got what we've got with the keeper situation totally down on recruitment . I can't have a pop at any of the keepers we have as they're the best we've got , all with issues it seems . No individual is guilty in that regard
Perhaps we just need to try a slightly different system , a more compact dynamic with 3 midfielders diminishing the threats on transition and when we're defending as a unit . Make the pitch narrow in defence and wide in attack maybe
All I know is we need to change something and something quick . We need Lukic back which will help for starters
The 4 goals conceded in the last 2 games have been really difficult to accept as a supporter so imagine how the players feel . They'll know it's not good enough
Farke last season changed the Leeds formation for the Man City game and the rest is history . Their form changed and they looked a more stable unit
GON has a good week and a bit to get himself and his coaching staff together to come up with a cunning plan because this cannot be allowed to grow momentum now . It needs to be nipped in the bud sharpish |  |
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| Indeed on 08:36 - Nov 10 | Dyland |
| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 08:08 - Nov 10 by Mullet |
Hull was far worse given we should have smashed them and been out of sight. I think it’s the context of the two back to back which really grinds. |
And the fact all the goals we conceded were gifts. |  |
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| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 08:43 - Nov 10 | RobTheMonk |
The past four goals we've conceded have come from crappy individual mistakes and unfortunately, Walton has been at fault for 2.5 of them (I thought he could have done better with Hull's first one, but O'Shea did him no favours).
We're doing fine, just need to cut out really silly errors. |  | | |
| Hull's second on 08:46 - Nov 10 | Dyland |
| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 08:43 - Nov 10 by RobTheMonk |
The past four goals we've conceded have come from crappy individual mistakes and unfortunately, Walton has been at fault for 2.5 of them (I thought he could have done better with Hull's first one, but O'Shea did him no favours).
We're doing fine, just need to cut out really silly errors. |
Also got to look at the defending, or lack of it, in the lead up to the free kick. I'd like to think Lukic would've fouled the player as soon as he lost the ball. It's really crap from Florentino. | |
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| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 08:51 - Nov 10 | gainsboroughblue |
| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 08:43 - Nov 10 by RobTheMonk |
The past four goals we've conceded have come from crappy individual mistakes and unfortunately, Walton has been at fault for 2.5 of them (I thought he could have done better with Hull's first one, but O'Shea did him no favours).
We're doing fine, just need to cut out really silly errors. |
Going to be pressure on us to do so too.
Teams are going to target us ruthlessly with a high press knowing we are capable of gift wrapping goals. |  |
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| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 08:56 - Nov 10 | GlasgowBlue |
We haven’t played or looked like a relegation candidate all season. On Sunday we did. All of the old frailties were back.
As I said in a previous thread, we’ll be fine if we fix these silly errors. But we can’t go on a losing run. That’s when the confidence drops and it’s usually unrecoverable. |  |
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| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 09:01 - Nov 10 | Steve_M |
The last three games have been collectively disappointing after a broadly positive start to the season. We have been very much second best in two of them and failed to build on our advantage in the other, being grateful to take a point from it in the end.
The Fulham win, itself a little fortunate on the balance of the match, at least means we took one point per game from the set of matches since the last international break but that win is now four matches ago. So, I think it's more than just Sunday in a isolation that is causing alarm at the moment.
Obviously, those fans who are never happier than when being negative, are out in force to tell us that we are as good as relegated and might as well give up now but they seem to have gone a bit quieter two days on.
However, we do concede too many really poor goals and lack anything like enough control of matches. On their own, these are factors that generally see teams relegated but this season there are probably enough weaker teams that we might not.
We do need to improve, individually and collectively but this season was never going to be easy, very little in this league actually is and us fans would do well to remember that a season of mixed results and finishing 17th will be a success for us. |  |
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| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 09:05 - Nov 10 | SomethingBlue |
Agree. Would add that, structurally, we are really missing Lukic and his absence has been no coincidence. Most of Florentino's better work on Sunday came when he was in recovery mode or successfully chasing after something – when it came to anticipation and timing he was visibly way off it. | |
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| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 09:25 - Nov 10 | ITFC_Essex |
| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 08:34 - Nov 10 by Metal_Hacker |
It's felt like rinse and repeat so far this season with the number of mistakes
Stating the obvious now but I'm sure every man and his dog can see the issues with have within the management and the senior playing staff but what I don't understand is that I can't see where we have tried to fix those issues other than making an obvious move and switching Dara O'Shea back into the middle from RB and moving in Abdoul Outtara
From a playing perspective we've got what we've got with the keeper situation totally down on recruitment . I can't have a pop at any of the keepers we have as they're the best we've got , all with issues it seems . No individual is guilty in that regard
Perhaps we just need to try a slightly different system , a more compact dynamic with 3 midfielders diminishing the threats on transition and when we're defending as a unit . Make the pitch narrow in defence and wide in attack maybe
All I know is we need to change something and something quick . We need Lukic back which will help for starters
The 4 goals conceded in the last 2 games have been really difficult to accept as a supporter so imagine how the players feel . They'll know it's not good enough
Farke last season changed the Leeds formation for the Man City game and the rest is history . Their form changed and they looked a more stable unit
GON has a good week and a bit to get himself and his coaching staff together to come up with a cunning plan because this cannot be allowed to grow momentum now . It needs to be nipped in the bud sharpish |
I may get pelters for this, but Gary O'Neil isn't as good or adaptive a manager a Farke is.
He is however getting blood from a stone out of several players, who are playing well beyond their ceiling and that may be the thing that saves us if he's able to continue that across the season, but the truth is we're missing a top level, keeper, two centre halfs, a left back and two Premier League standard forwards.
I'd challenge anyone to keep a side up featuring Walton, Davis, O'Shea, Maeda, Fatawu, Jaden,and Emmerson up with a bench made up of players like Fleming, Nunez, Greaves, Egeli, and co. The fact we have started so strongly is a testament to how well O'Neil has managed the limited resources we have, but the reality is, this is going to be a long, brutal, relegation fight and I don't think a chunk of the support has the stomach for it, especially after the start we have had, Ashton talking about Europe and so on. People are already starting to slate our manager. |  |
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| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 10:14 - Nov 10 | seblue78 |
Agreed - whilst Bournemouth are inevitably some way ahead of us in terms of quality, personally I didn't think there was that much in it on Sunday on the balance of play, and it's reasonable to think we'd have got something from that but for the brain farts at the start of each half. Likewise Hull.
Lukic has been a big miss. Him and Palacios are every bit a starting Prem Centre MF pairing in the way they lead by example on the pitch (I loved the mentality late in the first half from Palacios when trying to retrieve the ball after being fouled).
Clearly we need to sort ourselves out at the back and that's bound to be first priority come January. I remain slightly surprised we didn't strengthen more in the summer.
Anyway long way to go. Keep the faith. [Post edited 10 Nov 12:02]
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| We did strengthen at the back on 10:24 - Nov 10 | Dyland |
| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 10:14 - Nov 10 by seblue78 |
Agreed - whilst Bournemouth are inevitably some way ahead of us in terms of quality, personally I didn't think there was that much in it on Sunday on the balance of play, and it's reasonable to think we'd have got something from that but for the brain farts at the start of each half. Likewise Hull.
Lukic has been a big miss. Him and Palacios are every bit a starting Prem Centre MF pairing in the way they lead by example on the pitch (I loved the mentality late in the first half from Palacios when trying to retrieve the ball after being fouled).
Clearly we need to sort ourselves out at the back and that's bound to be first priority come January. I remain slightly surprised we didn't strengthen more in the summer.
Anyway long way to go. Keep the faith. [Post edited 10 Nov 12:02]
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Unless you're saying O'Shea and Davis should not be first choice starters...? | |
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| Not sure I agree with that on 10:28 - Nov 10 | Dyland |
| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 08:56 - Nov 10 by GlasgowBlue |
We haven’t played or looked like a relegation candidate all season. On Sunday we did. All of the old frailties were back.
As I said in a previous thread, we’ll be fine if we fix these silly errors. But we can’t go on a losing run. That’s when the confidence drops and it’s usually unrecoverable. |
All the old frailties? Bournemouth were clearly the better team, but we weren't much worse. Neither goalie had too much to do really.
We were undone by two moments of cretinous brain fartery.
And sure, we huffed and puffed a bit but weren't outplayed. | |
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| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 10:45 - Nov 10 | Benters |
Just watched the highlights again..
The first goal we all know it was a shocker,the second was unlucky.
Just to cheer you up it was never a penalty.But it will even itself out over the course of the season.
Still the new training ground building looks nice. |  |
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| We did strengthen at the back on 10:45 - Nov 10 | seblue78 |
| We did strengthen at the back on 10:24 - Nov 10 by Dyland |
Unless you're saying O'Shea and Davis should not be first choice starters...? |
Personally I thought/think we need an established left sided CH (easier said than done, admittedly) with Diop and OS fighting it out for the RH berth. Ouattara has been a revelation which is great. And Leif has shown more than he did the last time around. | | | |
| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 11:04 - Nov 10 | Guthrum |
It mustn't be forgotten that Bournemouth are on an immense run of form at the moment - played 8 won 8 in all competitions. |  |
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| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 11:12 - Nov 10 | Benters |
| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 11:04 - Nov 10 by Guthrum |
It mustn't be forgotten that Bournemouth are on an immense run of form at the moment - played 8 won 8 in all competitions. |
True and we helped them immensely  | |
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| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 11:17 - Nov 10 | seblue78 |
| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 11:04 - Nov 10 by Guthrum |
It mustn't be forgotten that Bournemouth are on an immense run of form at the moment - played 8 won 8 in all competitions. |
I think that's what makes it all the more frustrating as there was every chance we would have at least got a draw absent the mistakes - the first one in particular. | | | |
| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 11:18 - Nov 10 | billlm |
I'm annoyed to lost vital points hull should have been an easy three then an off day you can forgive,
We had two outstanding players Saturday ensico and palacios and if you get a chance to see the look on their faces at the ease of the goals and errors that will tell you all you need to know, |  | | |
| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 11:54 - Nov 10 | bsw72 |
| I'm still a bit annoyed by Sunday! on 07:52 - Nov 10 by Dubtractor |
Yep. Very much felt like a 24/25 game. |
Result similar but actually very different. In 2024/5 home vs Bournemouth was one of those games where we ran out of steam and capitulted to a couple of late goals after hanging on for a lot of it.
Sunday we were in the game for most of it, mistakes cost us early and put us on the backfoot, compounded by a slow start to 2nd half - buit we were never outclassed and took the game to them for last 20+ mins after a poor 25 mins after half time. [Post edited 10 Nov 13:51]
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