| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... 13:00 - Mar 25 with 7105 views | Fixed_It |
...newly appointed at Derby and we were thrashing them at half-time? Then he came down from the stands and changed a few things round - to see them come steaming back in the second half.
There are many worse managers out there - and he was known for his attacking football at Boro. Personally, I'd rather keep Mick, but all you Mick outers should't be quite so dismissive of this link if you want exciting football. [Post edited 25 Mar 2018 13:01]
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| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 13:17 - Mar 25 with 5937 views | Darth_Koont |
Whoever comes in you have to give them a fair crack. I may have suspicions but I'd never take a position on an appointment until I could see what a manager does with Ipswich where for once I actually understand the context. In the same way, it's nigh on impossible to make a serious judgement based on what a manager has achieved at different clubs and completely different circumstances.
FWIW I think McClaren sounds a better option than many I've heard. A lot depends on whether things change off the field. If we don't get any more money then I'd argue we need someone with a lot of experience in squad management, rather than a young coach with alternative ideas that may or may not work. |  |
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| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 13:19 - Mar 25 with 5928 views | wkj |
I remember that game as I was there, we were only thrashing them on the score sheet, they were really hard done by- that said games are not won by performance. That is the game I always refer to as the day we lost 4-4 |  |
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| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 13:24 - Mar 25 with 5904 views | Ftnfwest |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 13:17 - Mar 25 by Darth_Koont |
Whoever comes in you have to give them a fair crack. I may have suspicions but I'd never take a position on an appointment until I could see what a manager does with Ipswich where for once I actually understand the context. In the same way, it's nigh on impossible to make a serious judgement based on what a manager has achieved at different clubs and completely different circumstances.
FWIW I think McClaren sounds a better option than many I've heard. A lot depends on whether things change off the field. If we don't get any more money then I'd argue we need someone with a lot of experience in squad management, rather than a young coach with alternative ideas that may or may not work. |
Whilst my preference has always been for 'the right type of young manager I agree with what you are saying within the current set up. There seems to be a continuing and yawning gap between whoever the manager happens to be at the time and the ownership. Evans needs someone either in the milne role, or as well as, who's more directly tuned into the footballing as well as management side of things. |  | | |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 13:27 - Mar 25 with 5886 views | BackToRussia |
Read another post that it would be "absurd" for an outer to welcome McLaren! |  |
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| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 13:30 - Mar 25 with 5864 views | Darth_Koont |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 13:24 - Mar 25 by Ftnfwest |
Whilst my preference has always been for 'the right type of young manager I agree with what you are saying within the current set up. There seems to be a continuing and yawning gap between whoever the manager happens to be at the time and the ownership. Evans needs someone either in the milne role, or as well as, who's more directly tuned into the footballing as well as management side of things. |
Yeah, there's not just the money side and getting the most out of the squad, unless things change with Evans or Milne, the new manager will have to be the face of the club and shoulder the burden of communicating where we are.
That's going to be difficult for anyone who hasn't seen it all before and can take things in their stride. | |
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| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 13:36 - Mar 25 with 5832 views | Ftnfwest |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 13:30 - Mar 25 by Darth_Koont |
Yeah, there's not just the money side and getting the most out of the squad, unless things change with Evans or Milne, the new manager will have to be the face of the club and shoulder the burden of communicating where we are.
That's going to be difficult for anyone who hasn't seen it all before and can take things in their stride. |
That's true. Thus far the appointments seem to be on the basis that it's a 'here you go, you have all the experience now go away and make everything successful' rather than providing in addition the support in other areas that would make that task more achievable | | | |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 14:29 - Mar 25 with 5708 views | monty_radio |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 13:36 - Mar 25 by Ftnfwest |
That's true. Thus far the appointments seem to be on the basis that it's a 'here you go, you have all the experience now go away and make everything successful' rather than providing in addition the support in other areas that would make that task more achievable |
Agree that M.E. really needs that team of management if he himself is, as seems likely, to remain distant from the town and fans. In that respect, MacLaren might just fare a bit better as he has generally surrounded himself with stronger characters than our own T.C.
His record of one Eredivisie and one league Cup is not exactly a trumpet blast, but perhaps it's better that M.E. go that way than leave a new young manager marooned without the all-round knowledge to run the club from top to bottom. The current divide between M.M.'s first team mode of play and the way that the younger sides set up might just be something that an experienced guy with able lieutenants can address successfully.
Personally I feel that Mogga might be the man to unite these aspirations, but who really knows? |  |
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| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 14:58 - Mar 25 with 5629 views | Mullet |
I've seen Neil Gregory score a hat trick and Paul Jewell win a game. You'll need better one offs than that I'm afraid.
"There are many worse managers out there" is totally correct and what a damning place to be yet again under Evans. |  |
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| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 15:01 - Mar 25 with 5616 views | RoyKeanesDog |
Says more about Paul Jewell that. |  |
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| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 15:04 - Mar 25 with 5591 views | Sarge |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 15:01 - Mar 25 by RoyKeanesDog |
Says more about Paul Jewell that. |
Which is odd because Mick was the manager at the time. | | | |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 15:15 - Mar 25 with 5544 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 14:58 - Mar 25 by Mullet |
I've seen Neil Gregory score a hat trick and Paul Jewell win a game. You'll need better one offs than that I'm afraid.
"There are many worse managers out there" is totally correct and what a damning place to be yet again under Evans. |
It’s only speculation at the moment but who on earth do you consider a much better bet for a downtrodden championship club than an ex England manager who also won the league in Holland. |  |
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| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 15:18 - Mar 25 with 5523 views | Mullet |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 15:15 - Mar 25 by Lord_Lucan |
It’s only speculation at the moment but who on earth do you consider a much better bet for a downtrodden championship club than an ex England manager who also won the league in Holland. |
"is totally correct" | |
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| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 15:53 - Mar 25 with 5465 views | tractordownsouth |
The fact that he's a complete Kn0b is my main concern |  |
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| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 15:55 - Mar 25 with 5454 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 15:53 - Mar 25 by tractordownsouth |
The fact that he's a complete Kn0b is my main concern |
I suspect you don’t actually know him. | |
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| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 15:58 - Mar 25 with 5430 views | strikalite |
I don't quite get the "he was known for his attacking football at Boro, personally I'd rather keep Mick"...:) |  | | |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 16:02 - Mar 25 with 5424 views | connorscontract |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 15:15 - Mar 25 by Lord_Lucan |
It’s only speculation at the moment but who on earth do you consider a much better bet for a downtrodden championship club than an ex England manager who also won the league in Holland. |
McLaren would be a remarkably good appointment, all things considered.
Hopefully he will be able to bring through 3 or 4 potential future England players. The ability to do that is something that I would put high on the list, not just because of the reality of our financial situation, but because we seem to have a rare abundance of riches at the moment.
Biggest Priorities for me:
Attractive football
Desire to rebuild the relationship with the fans
Ability and willingness to develop and bring into the First Team the best talent from the Academy
Then:
Ability to maintain a good spirit within the squad
Ability to wheel and deal
Then:
Results
To be fair to Mick he has provided the bottom four of those to a greater or lesser extent, but he has completely sacrificed attacking football, and his comments from the very beginning show that he had no interest in a relationship with the fans. | | | |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 16:09 - Mar 25 with 5404 views | HennikerBlu |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 15:53 - Mar 25 by tractordownsouth |
The fact that he's a complete Kn0b is my main concern |
For the Dutch accent? The wally with brolly? Or his apathetic interviews?
Much of the above has been taken out of proportion by the press. I am not bothered that he does not particularly do press conferences well, better than over reacting and hacking people off.
I would agree with Darth's view it is likely to remain a unsupported role and therefore ME is likely to go with an experienced manager. As Lucan points out his CV has some highlights, plus he has a better win ratio than MM and Tony Mowbray. He actually comes across well in an interview. [Post edited 25 Mar 2018 16:10]
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| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 16:18 - Mar 25 with 5375 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 16:09 - Mar 25 by HennikerBlu |
For the Dutch accent? The wally with brolly? Or his apathetic interviews?
Much of the above has been taken out of proportion by the press. I am not bothered that he does not particularly do press conferences well, better than over reacting and hacking people off.
I would agree with Darth's view it is likely to remain a unsupported role and therefore ME is likely to go with an experienced manager. As Lucan points out his CV has some highlights, plus he has a better win ratio than MM and Tony Mowbray. He actually comes across well in an interview. [Post edited 25 Mar 2018 16:10]
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Didn’t Joey Barton do a similar interview when in France?
Must admit if I’m abroad I instantly mimick the local accent without thinking or realising it. It drives my Wife mad. | |
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| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 16:22 - Mar 25 with 5356 views | connorscontract |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 16:09 - Mar 25 by HennikerBlu |
For the Dutch accent? The wally with brolly? Or his apathetic interviews?
Much of the above has been taken out of proportion by the press. I am not bothered that he does not particularly do press conferences well, better than over reacting and hacking people off.
I would agree with Darth's view it is likely to remain a unsupported role and therefore ME is likely to go with an experienced manager. As Lucan points out his CV has some highlights, plus he has a better win ratio than MM and Tony Mowbray. He actually comes across well in an interview. [Post edited 25 Mar 2018 16:10]
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And besides, who hasn't schlipped into a bit of a Dutsssch accshent over an Americano and a Brownie in an Amsterdam coffee shop? Totally understandable.
The brolly thing was the closest thing that the press have ever had to a literal stick to beat an England manager with. If he hadn't used an umbrella the headline would have been "Drowned and Out" or "What a drip" or somesuch. | | | |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 16:26 - Mar 25 with 5335 views | BackToRussia |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 16:22 - Mar 25 by connorscontract |
And besides, who hasn't schlipped into a bit of a Dutsssch accshent over an Americano and a Brownie in an Amsterdam coffee shop? Totally understandable.
The brolly thing was the closest thing that the press have ever had to a literal stick to beat an England manager with. If he hadn't used an umbrella the headline would have been "Drowned and Out" or "What a drip" or somesuch. |
Reminds one of Graham Taylor's hounding out of the England job. And then the respect paid to him later in life as a good football manager and decent man.
I think he could do well here, and certainly, if we are a club as so many pro-MM posters like to focus on, that is funded to the level of 18th or below, we have to start thinking that attracting someone of McLaren's calibre would be a bit of a coup. I think McLaren probably wants a bigger budget than we would give him though. | |
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| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 16:27 - Mar 25 with 5328 views | NewcyBlue |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 16:18 - Mar 25 by Lord_Lucan |
Didn’t Joey Barton do a similar interview when in France?
Must admit if I’m abroad I instantly mimick the local accent without thinking or realising it. It drives my Wife mad. |
Your trips to China must be hilarious!
Harrrrroowwww, I am Rucan. |  |
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| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 16:29 - Mar 25 with 5315 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 16:26 - Mar 25 by BackToRussia |
Reminds one of Graham Taylor's hounding out of the England job. And then the respect paid to him later in life as a good football manager and decent man.
I think he could do well here, and certainly, if we are a club as so many pro-MM posters like to focus on, that is funded to the level of 18th or below, we have to start thinking that attracting someone of McLaren's calibre would be a bit of a coup. I think McLaren probably wants a bigger budget than we would give him though. |
The press also crucified SBR when he was England manager.
They are evil. Playing with peoples lives. | |
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| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 16:30 - Mar 25 with 5308 views | Mullet |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 16:26 - Mar 25 by BackToRussia |
Reminds one of Graham Taylor's hounding out of the England job. And then the respect paid to him later in life as a good football manager and decent man.
I think he could do well here, and certainly, if we are a club as so many pro-MM posters like to focus on, that is funded to the level of 18th or below, we have to start thinking that attracting someone of McLaren's calibre would be a bit of a coup. I think McLaren probably wants a bigger budget than we would give him though. |
Your last paragraph is spot on. The biggest selling point of McLaren for me would be him working on Downes, Nydam and Dozzell as well as the others closer in age.
For all the circus he has a Klug-like track record in that department and if he was to build a team with any core of players it'd be them. But I can't imagine we'd keep the senior players necessarily, which depletes the squad and then replace them with similar calibre on those wages, which depletes his budget further. | |
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| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 16:32 - Mar 25 with 5297 views | BackToRussia |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 16:29 - Mar 25 by Lord_Lucan |
The press also crucified SBR when he was England manager.
They are evil. Playing with peoples lives. |
It is disgusting. To try to ruin someone's life effectively over football.
If it happened in any other context it'd be looked at for what it is, bullying and harassment. | |
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| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 16:38 - Mar 25 with 5279 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Ok. Remember when McLaren was... on 16:32 - Mar 25 by BackToRussia |
It is disgusting. To try to ruin someone's life effectively over football.
If it happened in any other context it'd be looked at for what it is, bullying and harassment. |
Imagine it being a close family member. It really is sickening.
When SBR got his life award think on SPOTY I would have loved it if he had reminded the media what bastards they were. | |
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