| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot 08:15 - Dec 13 with 5036 views | Keno |
A vote with a 52% of those who voted is the absolute unshakeable eternal will of the people
A vote with a 63% of all eligible votes is something to be ignored cos we don’t like it
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 08:37 - Dec 13 with 4554 views | Herbivore |
It's almost like they are slimy, self-serving toads who don't really care about democracy unless it delivers the result they want. They, like many current and former Tory party members, are just deeply dishonest and have no integrity. [Post edited 13 Dec 2018 8:42]
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 08:41 - Dec 13 with 4546 views | jjblue84 |
The precedent of one says you implement it and the precedent of the other says you should resign... |  | | |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 08:47 - Dec 13 with 4518 views | Oldsmoker |
One could argue that one vote was made by the British people and the other by... well what do you call a load of back-stabbing, immoral, spineless cretins? They've shown no values associated with decent folk. |  |
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 08:51 - Dec 13 with 4495 views | StokieBlue |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 08:47 - Dec 13 by Oldsmoker |
One could argue that one vote was made by the British people and the other by... well what do you call a load of back-stabbing, immoral, spineless cretins? They've shown no values associated with decent folk. |
Can't disagree with your assessment of the Tories but I assume you'll agree all the same adjectives apply to the Labour MPs given they also had a no confidence vote?
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 08:53 - Dec 13 with 4493 views | bluelagos |
Thank heavens there are no parties that would jump into coalition with them at the first opportunity. :-) |  |
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 08:56 - Dec 13 with 4478 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 08:51 - Dec 13 by StokieBlue |
Can't disagree with your assessment of the Tories but I assume you'll agree all the same adjectives apply to the Labour MPs given they also had a no confidence vote?
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Did they? |  |
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 08:56 - Dec 13 with 4478 views | Keno |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 08:53 - Dec 13 by bluelagos |
Thank heavens there are no parties that would jump into coalition with them at the first opportunity. :-) |
Tho had the coalition carried on we wouldn’t be in the mess we are now | |
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 08:59 - Dec 13 with 4465 views | chicoazul |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 08:51 - Dec 13 by StokieBlue |
Can't disagree with your assessment of the Tories but I assume you'll agree all the same adjectives apply to the Labour MPs given they also had a no confidence vote?
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I do wonder if, had the Tories been run the same way Labour is now run thanks to Ed Milliband's mad decisions, T May would have been returned with an even bigger majority. Feels like a lot of Tory members have come to admire her qualities greatly in the last 6 months or so. |  |
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 08:59 - Dec 13 with 4465 views | bluelagos |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 08:56 - Dec 13 by Keno |
Tho had the coalition carried on we wouldn’t be in the mess we are now |
If my memory is correct, the Libs were the first main party to advocate a referendum on Europe...
You suggesting your Brexit would be a fluffy one Keno? | |
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 09:02 - Dec 13 with 4458 views | Keno |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 08:59 - Dec 13 by bluelagos |
If my memory is correct, the Libs were the first main party to advocate a referendum on Europe...
You suggesting your Brexit would be a fluffy one Keno? |
No just an honest decent debate focusing on the real issues
I’m still waiting for my hospital I was promised | |
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 09:02 - Dec 13 with 4464 views | factual_blue |
I'm also puzzled about why Cardinal moggy happily obeys the diktats of an autocrat in Rome who seeks to rule the lives of billons, but objects to a democratic institution like the EU (and it is - despite what the hardcore loons like Cardinal muggy try to tell us) [Post edited 13 Dec 2018 9:02]
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 09:07 - Dec 13 with 4446 views | Oldsmoker |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 08:51 - Dec 13 by StokieBlue |
Can't disagree with your assessment of the Tories but I assume you'll agree all the same adjectives apply to the Labour MPs given they also had a no confidence vote?
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My thoughts are with the person who said that anyone who wants to be a politician should be barred from standing for Parliament.
However, my MP is Kerry McCarthy and she spends more time in the constituency than Westminster, rattling every local organisations cage who steps out of line so I have no complaints. I for one have a decent MP who supports her voters not the faceless organisations who feed on the people. | |
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 09:07 - Dec 13 with 4446 views | bluelagos |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 09:02 - Dec 13 by Keno |
No just an honest decent debate focusing on the real issues
I’m still waiting for my hospital I was promised |
Opinion in the Sunday Times had Nick Boles / Stephen Kinnock state (I paraphrase) that a "Soft Brexit is the only option that fully honours the referendum result"
Thought that was spot on and it begs the question why a Norway type Brexit couldn't have been agreed in a matter of weeks. | |
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 09:15 - Dec 13 with 4422 views | Guthrum |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 08:41 - Dec 13 by jjblue84 |
The precedent of one says you implement it and the precedent of the other says you should resign... |
There is only one precedent for this kind of No Confidence vote by the party against a Tory leader. In 2003 Iain Duncan Smith lost the ballot and so resigned. There is none for a resignation following a sizeable victory.
If you're thinking of the second challenge to Thatcher's leadership, in 1990, her first-round win was by a considerably smaller margin than May achieved last night and was technically different as it would have necessitated a second round of voting.
Thatcher won the leadership challenge in 1989 and stayed. Major did the same in 1995 (with a not much bigger percentage than yesterday). Heath lost in 1975, so did step down. |  |
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 09:23 - Dec 13 with 4390 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 08:56 - Dec 13 by Swansea_Blue |
Did they? |
Corbyn lost a no confidence vote by 172-40 but ignored it. |  |
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 09:30 - Dec 13 with 4375 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 09:23 - Dec 13 by Lord_Lucan |
Corbyn lost a no confidence vote by 172-40 but ignored it. |
Ah sorry, I misunderstood. Thought someone was saying the Labour bunch were involved last night.
If Corbyn didn't resign after he lost a no confidence vote, surely may should resign after winning one! 🙃 | |
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 09:30 - Dec 13 with 4377 views | Guthrum |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 08:53 - Dec 13 by bluelagos |
Thank heavens there are no parties that would jump into coalition with them at the first opportunity. :-) |
Now I don't have a problem with that, as the LibDems in coalition were able to counterbalance the excesses of the Conservative right. The ERG types were a lot less noisy when they had 57 centre-left MPs leaning in the other direction. | |
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 09:30 - Dec 13 with 4375 views | Keno |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 09:07 - Dec 13 by bluelagos |
Opinion in the Sunday Times had Nick Boles / Stephen Kinnock state (I paraphrase) that a "Soft Brexit is the only option that fully honours the referendum result"
Thought that was spot on and it begs the question why a Norway type Brexit couldn't have been agreed in a matter of weeks. |
totally agree with that | |
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 09:42 - Dec 13 with 4349 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 09:30 - Dec 13 by Guthrum |
Now I don't have a problem with that, as the LibDems in coalition were able to counterbalance the excesses of the Conservative right. The ERG types were a lot less noisy when they had 57 centre-left MPs leaning in the other direction. |
Very true. And not just on issues related to Brexit, but on matters of the social state, environment, etc. The Lib Dems probably don't get the credit they deserve for their sacrifice! | |
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 09:49 - Dec 13 with 4328 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 09:30 - Dec 13 by Guthrum |
Now I don't have a problem with that, as the LibDems in coalition were able to counterbalance the excesses of the Conservative right. The ERG types were a lot less noisy when they had 57 centre-left MPs leaning in the other direction. |
It’s said that Cameron preferred being in coalition with the Lib Dem’s than having his own majority.
He certainly had more in common politically with people like Nick Clegg and David Laws than he did people like Rees Mogg and Bill Cash. |  |
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 09:49 - Dec 13 with 4326 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 09:07 - Dec 13 by Oldsmoker |
My thoughts are with the person who said that anyone who wants to be a politician should be barred from standing for Parliament.
However, my MP is Kerry McCarthy and she spends more time in the constituency than Westminster, rattling every local organisations cage who steps out of line so I have no complaints. I for one have a decent MP who supports her voters not the faceless organisations who feed on the people. |
So what you are essentially saying is that she will either change or disappear imminently? Is that not what happens with every MP whose heart is in it for the right reasons?
She will progress until she reaches that junction. One way is to become one of them - a self serving toad like someone else on the threat said. The other direction is to continue to fight the good fight, never getting anywhere because the self serving toads won't let you.
I've met a lot of really decent local MP's in my time and none of them get anywhere. The ones you instantly dislike and see through as only in it for themselves not their constituents end up in positions of power some years later. |  |
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 10:09 - Dec 13 with 4262 views | jjblue84 |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 09:15 - Dec 13 by Guthrum |
There is only one precedent for this kind of No Confidence vote by the party against a Tory leader. In 2003 Iain Duncan Smith lost the ballot and so resigned. There is none for a resignation following a sizeable victory.
If you're thinking of the second challenge to Thatcher's leadership, in 1990, her first-round win was by a considerably smaller margin than May achieved last night and was technically different as it would have necessitated a second round of voting.
Thatcher won the leadership challenge in 1989 and stayed. Major did the same in 1995 (with a not much bigger percentage than yesterday). Heath lost in 1975, so did step down. |
I’m thinking of prime ministers proving that they are lame ducks... | | | |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 11:26 - Dec 13 with 4177 views | Guthrum |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 10:09 - Dec 13 by jjblue84 |
I’m thinking of prime ministers proving that they are lame ducks... |
She isn't even really that.
In any other area of legislation, I doubt May would have any difficulty in getting a Parliamentary majority. Indeed, there is a fair likelihood (partly for reasons beyond anyone's control) that she would win - or, at least, not lose - the next General Election.
She is having trouble getting one, extremely tricky, vote through Parliament. That is the sole cause of this rebellion, by people who are ideologically opposed to her (or almost any other) proposed solution. | |
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 11:41 - Dec 13 with 4149 views | giant_stow |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 09:49 - Dec 13 by GlasgowBlue |
It’s said that Cameron preferred being in coalition with the Lib Dem’s than having his own majority.
He certainly had more in common politically with people like Nick Clegg and David Laws than he did people like Rees Mogg and Bill Cash. |
The liberals will be judged more kindly in time - they helped save this country at a crucial time. Now they're gone, look whats happened. |  |
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| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 11:47 - Dec 13 with 4123 views | GeoffSentence |
| Nice bit of hypocracy by the Tory brexit lot on 08:47 - Dec 13 by Oldsmoker |
One could argue that one vote was made by the British people and the other by... well what do you call a load of back-stabbing, immoral, spineless cretins? They've shown no values associated with decent folk. |
I was watching some analysis of the confidence vote yesterday, before it took place, they were trying to work out if May had the numbers she needed or not and one of the analysts was making the point that it was hard to be sure because "it's a vote by tories, of course they lie, they enjoy lying"
I know this was in the context of an internal vote, but it summed up the tories for me rather nicely. |  |
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