| Downes' red card 08:43 - Feb 17 with 4077 views | Fixed_It |
If it transpires - as the video suggests - that he received a first yellow for pushing the ref away from Alan Judge - and the ref is subsequently struck off for gross misconduct - should Downes' red be overturned? The ref had clearly lost the plot at that point - he knew he was in trouble and couldn't have been in a fit state to continue officiating. |  |
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| Downes' red card on 08:45 - Feb 17 with 3264 views | Bluefish |
Morning Paul. All the best for the future, probably best to try something new |  |
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| Downes' red card on 08:46 - Feb 17 with 3253 views | StokieBlue |
Downes is a red card waiting to happen in almost every game.
Even if it gets overturned, his on-pitch behaviour is stupid at the moment.
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| Downes' red card on 08:47 - Feb 17 with 3235 views | Guthrum |
If it was for that, then I wouldn't be surprised to see it rescinded. Altho, being two yellows, the club cannot appeal. |  |
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| Downes' red card on 08:48 - Feb 17 with 3201 views | Fixed_It |
| Downes' red card on 08:45 - Feb 17 by Bluefish |
Morning Paul. All the best for the future, probably best to try something new |
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| Downes' red card on 08:49 - Feb 17 with 3179 views | Herbivore |
Yellow cards can't be overturned I believe, and by extension a red card for two yellows can't be either. Having seen the highlights he only gets one yellow for the incident where he then gets a red so he must have got the first one in that incident with Judge. That's mad. In normal times of course you can't put hands on the ref but when the ref is literally squaring up to one of your teammates and sticking his head in these are not normal times. |  |
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| Downes' red card on 08:49 - Feb 17 with 3180 views | kentishblue |
I thought the first yellow was shown to Judge tbh. Ref seemed to be looking past Downes? |  | | |
| Downes' red card on 08:50 - Feb 17 with 3137 views | GlasgowBlue |
I’ve watched that video a few times and the ref isn’t looking at Downes when he waves the yellow card. He looks past him to where Judge is. |  |
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| Downes' red card on 08:51 - Feb 17 with 3130 views | StokieBlue |
| Downes' red card on 08:49 - Feb 17 by Herbivore |
Yellow cards can't be overturned I believe, and by extension a red card for two yellows can't be either. Having seen the highlights he only gets one yellow for the incident where he then gets a red so he must have got the first one in that incident with Judge. That's mad. In normal times of course you can't put hands on the ref but when the ref is literally squaring up to one of your teammates and sticking his head in these are not normal times. |
I thought that yellow was shown to Judge.
He then showed a yellow to Downes and then a red. First yellow could have been for the tackle or verbals and then a red for even more verbals.
Downes is captain though, he can't be mouthing off like that at refs or flying into crazy challenges all the time.
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| Downes' red card on 08:51 - Feb 17 with 3126 views | Fixed_It |
| Downes' red card on 08:49 - Feb 17 by kentishblue |
I thought the first yellow was shown to Judge tbh. Ref seemed to be looking past Downes? |
Looks to me like it is aimed at Downes. | |
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| Downes' red card on 08:52 - Feb 17 with 3107 views | JakeITFC |
The yellow card has to be for simulation by Judge going by the subsequent free kick I'd have though.
Looked to me as though Downes got a yellow card and then a straight red, both for dissent. |  | | |
| Downes' red card on 08:53 - Feb 17 with 3079 views | itfcjoe |
| Downes' red card on 08:51 - Feb 17 by StokieBlue |
I thought that yellow was shown to Judge.
He then showed a yellow to Downes and then a red. First yellow could have been for the tackle or verbals and then a red for even more verbals.
Downes is captain though, he can't be mouthing off like that at refs or flying into crazy challenges all the time.
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If you are giving a free kick for simulation, which he does, then surely it's an automatic yellow for Judge? |  |
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| Downes' red card on 08:54 - Feb 17 with 3065 views | itfcjoe |
| Downes' red card on 08:52 - Feb 17 by JakeITFC |
The yellow card has to be for simulation by Judge going by the subsequent free kick I'd have though.
Looked to me as though Downes got a yellow card and then a straight red, both for dissent. |
That was my view on it, but guess we'll see with his suspension | |
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| Downes' red card on 08:54 - Feb 17 with 3052 views | StokieBlue |
| Downes' red card on 08:53 - Feb 17 by itfcjoe |
If you are giving a free kick for simulation, which he does, then surely it's an automatic yellow for Judge? |
Yes, I assumed the yellow was for Judge at the time then 2 yellows for Downes later on.
Surely it's in the match report?
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| Downes' red card on 08:54 - Feb 17 with 3054 views | SitfcB |
Seemingly Judge was the one booked during that incident and Downes got two very quick yellow cards at the end, one for the challenge and then one for dissent.
Yellow cards can’t be overturned anyway. [Post edited 17 Feb 2021 8:55]
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| Downes' red card on 08:55 - Feb 17 with 3024 views | Herbivore |
| Downes' red card on 08:51 - Feb 17 by StokieBlue |
I thought that yellow was shown to Judge.
He then showed a yellow to Downes and then a red. First yellow could have been for the tackle or verbals and then a red for even more verbals.
Downes is captain though, he can't be mouthing off like that at refs or flying into crazy challenges all the time.
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But he doesn't show a second yellow, so either Downes said something bad enough to get a straight red or there was an earlier yellow card, or the ref has possibly forgotten to show a second yellow. The ref had clearly lost his head, never seen anything like that incident with Judge.
Downes is playing frustrated at the moment, as are most of the team. Our collective discipline has totally gone. | |
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| Downes' red card on 08:57 - Feb 17 with 2974 views | StokieBlue |
| Downes' red card on 08:55 - Feb 17 by Herbivore |
But he doesn't show a second yellow, so either Downes said something bad enough to get a straight red or there was an earlier yellow card, or the ref has possibly forgotten to show a second yellow. The ref had clearly lost his head, never seen anything like that incident with Judge.
Downes is playing frustrated at the moment, as are most of the team. Our collective discipline has totally gone. |
He showed Downes a yellow then a red.
I guess technically he should show yellow, yellow again and then a red? Unless he gave him a yellow for the challenge and then a straight red for whatever verbals he said then what he showed would be correct.
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| Downes' red card on 08:57 - Feb 17 with 2974 views | BlueySwede |
As you say, the ref lost the plot towards the end, anyone could have been sent off. And some people are comparing that Downes red card with the one Jackson got a while ago...:O
I also have to diasgree with some regarding Downes discipline, I think he has grown a lot. There was a situation in the first half where one of the Northampton players was clearly trying to wind him up, Downes just gave hime a big hug and just smiled. A few years ago he would probably have reacted and got sent off. |  | | |
| Downes' red card on 08:57 - Feb 17 with 2968 views | Dubtractor |
| Downes' red card on 08:55 - Feb 17 by Herbivore |
But he doesn't show a second yellow, so either Downes said something bad enough to get a straight red or there was an earlier yellow card, or the ref has possibly forgotten to show a second yellow. The ref had clearly lost his head, never seen anything like that incident with Judge.
Downes is playing frustrated at the moment, as are most of the team. Our collective discipline has totally gone. |
3 reds in the last 5 games would suggest a major lack of discipline wouldn't it? |  |
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| Downes' red card on 08:57 - Feb 17 with 2972 views | Rozz |
| Downes' red card on 08:52 - Feb 17 by JakeITFC |
The yellow card has to be for simulation by Judge going by the subsequent free kick I'd have though.
Looked to me as though Downes got a yellow card and then a straight red, both for dissent. |
I know Downes is rash at times, but if I was booked for lack of discipline by a ref who I'd just had to physically restrain from getting involved with a player, I'd have told him to fook off too.
I think ref's trying to assert his control after total head loss and it's stupid from Downes to give him an excuse.
Something to talk about, anyway. |  | | |
| Downes' red card on 08:58 - Feb 17 with 2957 views | thebooks |
| Downes' red card on 08:46 - Feb 17 by StokieBlue |
Downes is a red card waiting to happen in almost every game.
Even if it gets overturned, his on-pitch behaviour is stupid at the moment.
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Quite. The problem (well, one of several hundred problems) is our terrible general discipline at the moment. |  | | |
| Downes' red card on 09:00 - Feb 17 with 2912 views | SitfcB |
| Downes' red card on 08:53 - Feb 17 by itfcjoe |
If you are giving a free kick for simulation, which he does, then surely it's an automatic yellow for Judge? |
Not alway though!
I doubt Judge would’ve been booked if it wasn’t for the dissent? | |
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| Downes' red card on 09:03 - Feb 17 with 2848 views | Herbivore |
| Downes' red card on 08:57 - Feb 17 by StokieBlue |
He showed Downes a yellow then a red.
I guess technically he should show yellow, yellow again and then a red? Unless he gave him a yellow for the challenge and then a straight red for whatever verbals he said then what he showed would be correct.
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If it's a yellow then a red then either there has been a yellow card earlier in the game or the red is a straight red. If it's two yellows within a very short time frame, one for the challenge and one for dissent, then two yellows should be shown. | |
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| Downes' red card on 09:05 - Feb 17 with 2812 views | StokieBlue |
| Downes' red card on 09:03 - Feb 17 by Herbivore |
If it's a yellow then a red then either there has been a yellow card earlier in the game or the red is a straight red. If it's two yellows within a very short time frame, one for the challenge and one for dissent, then two yellows should be shown. |
I'm not disagreeing, I'm just saying looking at it the options are:
1) He did book Downes previously (don't think he did though)
2) He forgot to show another yellow before the red
3) He showed him a yellow and then a straight red (in which case what he raised was correct)
Someone will need to look at the match report to find out.
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| Downes' red card on 09:06 - Feb 17 with 2798 views | Herbivore |
| Downes' red card on 08:57 - Feb 17 by Dubtractor |
3 reds in the last 5 games would suggest a major lack of discipline wouldn't it? |
Yep, and it's now been 5 in our last 20 games I think. None during our good spell at the start of the season. Discipline has totally gone. I get the feeling there's a lot of discontent and frustration and it's now boiling over on the pitch worryingly often. Downes should have had a straight red at Peterborough last week as well. | |
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| Downes' red card on 09:07 - Feb 17 with 2768 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Downes' red card on 08:53 - Feb 17 by itfcjoe |
If you are giving a free kick for simulation, which he does, then surely it's an automatic yellow for Judge? |
Yes, and it would have been easy for the ref to go yellow for simulation, yellow for dissent you're off to Judge. Which makes his reaction even more odd. Clearly Judge said something that so touched a nerve, Drysdale chose to square up to him instead. Utterly bizarre! |  |
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