| Dozzell and Bish 16:39 - Mar 22 with 4837 views | chrismakin |
I appreciate this will prob be controversial. However. Do you think these two can be coached to be long term starters together.
Two slightly similar yet slightly different players. Neither fill me with confidence of their abilities in midfield.
Bishop seems to hurt more on the ball without passing, likes to take on a player or two. But doesnt seem consistent and goes missing alot.
Dozzell has the ability to thread killer balls into the attacking players but doesnt ever seem to do it more than a couple of times a game and off the ball let's be honest is very average.
With both being academy products. Are we blind their weaknesses..
I'm still not sure on them and I cant be the only one?
I will add. I appreciate theres other positions abit more obvious about where changes need to be made more urgently. But its just these two which I've never really been able to be confident on as we look forwards. [Post edited 22 Mar 2021 16:43]
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| Dozzell and Bish on 16:44 - Mar 22 with 4781 views | Herbivore |
I'd like to see Bish given a go as a number 10 with his ability to go past players and pick up pockets of space. I thought he looked good there against Plymouth. Unfortunately we don't have many other options to play deeper alongside Dozzell at the minute. |  |
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| Dozzell and Bish on 16:48 - Mar 22 with 4756 views | J2BLUE |
I would like to see Cook bring in an experienced CM . 26-30, destroyer, streetwise, captain material.
I think we might be in for an interesting summer where 2-3 of Dozzell, Bishop, Downes and Woolf leave the club. |  |
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| Dozzell and Bish on 16:50 - Mar 22 with 4743 views | chrismakin |
| Dozzell and Bish on 16:48 - Mar 22 by J2BLUE |
I would like to see Cook bring in an experienced CM . 26-30, destroyer, streetwise, captain material.
I think we might be in for an interesting summer where 2-3 of Dozzell, Bishop, Downes and Woolf leave the club. |
An n'daw would be lovely:)
I think you may be right about some leaving. I think theyll be a lot of mixed feelings amongst the fans as I can see some favourites going. | |
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| Dozzell and Bish on 16:56 - Mar 22 with 4719 views | jayessess |
Well, Dozzell is 21 and playing in a position that demands you read the game very well. As it stands he's the 6th best midfielder in the division for interceptions and makes more tackles than all our other midfielders apart from Downes. He's also creating more chances than any other player at the club and is top 25 for the division more generally.
He is doing just fine right now and is well on track to be an excellent midfielder.
I don't think he gets a pass because of his background at all. Much the opposite. People decided he was going to be playing for England by the time he hit 20 and get annoyed at him being "just" a very good League 1 midfielder at 21. [Post edited 22 Mar 2021 17:10]
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| Dozzell and Bish on 17:00 - Mar 22 with 4682 views | chrismakin |
| Dozzell and Bish on 16:56 - Mar 22 by jayessess |
Well, Dozzell is 21 and playing in a position that demands you read the game very well. As it stands he's the 6th best midfielder in the division for interceptions and makes more tackles than all our other midfielders apart from Downes. He's also creating more chances than any other player at the club and is top 25 for the division more generally.
He is doing just fine right now and is well on track to be an excellent midfielder.
I don't think he gets a pass because of his background at all. Much the opposite. People decided he was going to be playing for England by the time he hit 20 and get annoyed at him being "just" a very good League 1 midfielder at 21. [Post edited 22 Mar 2021 17:10]
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I'll be honest the interception stat has shocked me. I've always felt that was his weak point! | |
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| Dozzell and Bish on 17:10 - Mar 22 with 4630 views | happybeingblue |
ted has never done enough in a game for me and we all know his injury record,andre has that bit of quality for me always has his head up just needs the right man alongside him who can do the graft if you like and the right movement in front of him and he can shine now we have got rid of lambert and his tactics,lets not forget his shocking cruciate injury that put him right back. |  | | |
| Dozzell and Bish on 17:42 - Mar 22 with 4507 views | Dubtractor |
| Dozzell and Bish on 16:44 - Mar 22 by Herbivore |
I'd like to see Bish given a go as a number 10 with his ability to go past players and pick up pockets of space. I thought he looked good there against Plymouth. Unfortunately we don't have many other options to play deeper alongside Dozzell at the minute. |
Me too. He offered more there in bursts against Plymouth than many others have managed.
If we can get Downes fit again then him, Dozzell and Bishop would work for me. If Downes leaves then we could do with getting a midfield @rsehole to boss things and let the other 2 play. |  |
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| Dozzell and Bish on 17:52 - Mar 22 with 4481 views | pointofblue |
| Dozzell and Bish on 17:42 - Mar 22 by Dubtractor |
Me too. He offered more there in bursts against Plymouth than many others have managed.
If we can get Downes fit again then him, Dozzell and Bishop would work for me. If Downes leaves then we could do with getting a midfield @rsehole to boss things and let the other 2 play. |
I agree - Downes and Dozzell behind with Bishop in the number ten role would work well I think. |  |
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| Dozzell and Bish on 22:33 - Mar 22 with 4223 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Dozzell and Bish on 17:52 - Mar 22 by pointofblue |
I agree - Downes and Dozzell behind with Bishop in the number ten role would work well I think. |
Dozzell and Bishop are too lightweight in the defence department Downes who does have a bit more of cut about him in this area probably will leave at he end of the season and Skucey is going in the Douglas direction. So the obvious conclusion is that we need to get in two solid defensive midfielders. |  | | |
| Dozzell and Bish on 05:04 - Mar 23 with 4073 views | fergalsharkey |
Neither are good enough.
Get rid. |  |
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| Dozzell and Bish on 07:43 - Mar 23 with 3962 views | bobbyramsey |
Simple answer; No, they are part of the problem. |  | | |
| Dozzell and Bish on 07:49 - Mar 23 with 3951 views | bobbyramsey |
| Dozzell and Bish on 16:56 - Mar 22 by jayessess |
Well, Dozzell is 21 and playing in a position that demands you read the game very well. As it stands he's the 6th best midfielder in the division for interceptions and makes more tackles than all our other midfielders apart from Downes. He's also creating more chances than any other player at the club and is top 25 for the division more generally.
He is doing just fine right now and is well on track to be an excellent midfielder.
I don't think he gets a pass because of his background at all. Much the opposite. People decided he was going to be playing for England by the time he hit 20 and get annoyed at him being "just" a very good League 1 midfielder at 21. [Post edited 22 Mar 2021 17:10]
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"Top 25" lol. I don't think that's anything to get excited about..... | | | |
| Dozzell and Bish on 08:23 - Mar 23 with 3898 views | haynes_toe1 |
| Dozzell and Bish on 07:49 - Mar 23 by bobbyramsey |
"Top 25" lol. I don't think that's anything to get excited about..... |
Comparatively speaking with the rest of our squad it is.
I don't think Bishop & Dozzell work together but Cook has little choice at the moment. | | | |
| Dozzell and Bish on 09:05 - Mar 23 with 3851 views | jayessess |
| Dozzell and Bish on 07:49 - Mar 23 by bobbyramsey |
"Top 25" lol. I don't think that's anything to get excited about..... |
He's ostensibly a deep-lying midfielder and that's top 25 for chance creation out of every player in the division - a lot of the names above him are wingers and forwards.
He's also the best we have and it's not like he's got Charlie Wyke or Jonson Clarke-Harris' making runs for him. | |
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| Dozzell and Bish on 09:07 - Mar 23 with 3845 views | MrTown |
Not good enough either of them - although talented, like kids in a mens game. [Post edited 23 Mar 2021 9:08]
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| Dozzell and Bish on 09:27 - Mar 23 with 3810 views | Darth_Koont |
Clearly chicken and egg, but they along with most other players need to be judged in a balanced midfield and in a team that has shape and purpose on and off the ball. Not sure that’s happened in the last 2-3 years.
In a proper team, certainly at League One level and probably Championship too, we see players’ strengths come to the fore rather than their weaknesses exposed.
Cook needs to get something to work to get us into the play-offs. But whatever happens, I think he’ll need to re-jig the squad in the summer to forge a proper team. And I’d imagine he’d want players like Dozzell and Bishop around who have outstanding strengths to work with at this level. |  |
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| Dozzell and Bish on 09:54 - Mar 23 with 3781 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Dozzell and Bish on 09:27 - Mar 23 by Darth_Koont |
Clearly chicken and egg, but they along with most other players need to be judged in a balanced midfield and in a team that has shape and purpose on and off the ball. Not sure that’s happened in the last 2-3 years.
In a proper team, certainly at League One level and probably Championship too, we see players’ strengths come to the fore rather than their weaknesses exposed.
Cook needs to get something to work to get us into the play-offs. But whatever happens, I think he’ll need to re-jig the squad in the summer to forge a proper team. And I’d imagine he’d want players like Dozzell and Bishop around who have outstanding strengths to work with at this level. |
Dozzell has flaws in his game but a hell of a lot of positives too. I think people forget Andre is only 21 because he burst onto the scene so young. He's made 70 first team appearances and but for injury would probably have made a good 40-50 more. Wanting rid of him is reactionary nonsense.
He recently signed a new deal and will be here next season. He needs a scrapper alongside him - hopefully that'll be a fully fit Downes. | | | |
| Dozzell and Bish on 10:03 - Mar 23 with 3761 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Dozzell and Bish on 16:48 - Mar 22 by J2BLUE |
I would like to see Cook bring in an experienced CM . 26-30, destroyer, streetwise, captain material.
I think we might be in for an interesting summer where 2-3 of Dozzell, Bishop, Downes and Woolf leave the club. |
Basically an older version of Downes.
But yes, Downes will certainly go in the summer, so we have to forget about him now.
I also agree that Woolfie will probably leave too, he is destined for bigger things and has all the attributes a modern centre back needs.
Can't see Dozzell and Bish going anywhere though. |  |
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| Dozzell and Bish on 10:42 - Mar 23 with 3735 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Dozzell and Bish on 10:03 - Mar 23 by Wallingford_Boy |
Basically an older version of Downes.
But yes, Downes will certainly go in the summer, so we have to forget about him now.
I also agree that Woolfie will probably leave too, he is destined for bigger things and has all the attributes a modern centre back needs.
Can't see Dozzell and Bish going anywhere though. |
Both of them have gone backwards this season. Downes largely not his fault due to a couple of injuries. Woolfy now can't even get on the bench in L1 for a manager that has historically loved having ball playing CBs. I can't see we are going to be getting bids come in and definitely not at the level we would consider. [Post edited 23 Mar 2021 10:43]
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| Dozzell and Bish on 10:46 - Mar 23 with 3719 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Dozzell and Bish on 10:42 - Mar 23 by tractorboy1978 |
Both of them have gone backwards this season. Downes largely not his fault due to a couple of injuries. Woolfy now can't even get on the bench in L1 for a manager that has historically loved having ball playing CBs. I can't see we are going to be getting bids come in and definitely not at the level we would consider. [Post edited 23 Mar 2021 10:43]
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I think people won't be put off by a few injuries and loss of form of two very taleted youngsters. Any scout doing their job well will know what they can offer. CB is a tough gig as a youngster, he will come good.
That said, he did sign a new long term deal, so maybe will hang about. | |
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| Dozzell and Bish on 11:58 - Mar 23 with 3666 views | jayessess |
| Dozzell and Bish on 10:46 - Mar 23 by Wallingford_Boy |
I think people won't be put off by a few injuries and loss of form of two very taleted youngsters. Any scout doing their job well will know what they can offer. CB is a tough gig as a youngster, he will come good.
That said, he did sign a new long term deal, so maybe will hang about. |
Doesn't usually work like that, I don't think.
Unless it's a teenager or a very cheap punt, when clubs sign players from a lower league they usually want pretty solid evidence that they're getting someone who is consistently amongst the top performers in that league. | |
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| Dozzell and Bish on 11:59 - Mar 23 with 3658 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Dozzell and Bish on 11:58 - Mar 23 by jayessess |
Doesn't usually work like that, I don't think.
Unless it's a teenager or a very cheap punt, when clubs sign players from a lower league they usually want pretty solid evidence that they're getting someone who is consistently amongst the top performers in that league. |
Ok we shall see. | |
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| Dozzell and Bish on 12:26 - Mar 23 with 3607 views | Herbivore |
| Dozzell and Bish on 11:58 - Mar 23 by jayessess |
Doesn't usually work like that, I don't think.
Unless it's a teenager or a very cheap punt, when clubs sign players from a lower league they usually want pretty solid evidence that they're getting someone who is consistently amongst the top performers in that league. |
Agreed. Really can't see there being much interest in Woolfenden when he's hardly played and he's not played well when he has. I think he still has a lot of potential but he's not worth a punt for a bigger club at this point. Downes is a slightly different case with the injuries, but I suspect it'll be like last year except the interested party will be a Champ side rather than a Prem one and the offer will still be below what we'd be prepared to accept. | |
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| Dozzell and Bish on 12:29 - Mar 23 with 3600 views | pointofblue |
| Dozzell and Bish on 10:42 - Mar 23 by tractorboy1978 |
Both of them have gone backwards this season. Downes largely not his fault due to a couple of injuries. Woolfy now can't even get on the bench in L1 for a manager that has historically loved having ball playing CBs. I can't see we are going to be getting bids come in and definitely not at the level we would consider. [Post edited 23 Mar 2021 10:43]
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Though Woolfenden leaving and moving upwards are not mutually exclusive - he may move sideaways to another League One team, particularly if Cook has no interest in him and wants him out on the cheap. I guess those relegated from the Championship this season might be interested. | |
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