| Butch leaving 13:38 - Jul 16 with 3932 views | Vic |
Really sorry to hear this. After KD waxed lyrical about his input and influence This feels like another poor decision to me - on a par with the way some of the players were told they weren’t needed and subsequently put with the U23’s. Cant help but wonder if the two things aren’t connected.
I’m loving the first team rebuild, but some of the ways we’re doing things still doesn’t sit easy with me. I guess I’ll just have to get used to it! |  |
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| Butch leaving on 13:55 - Jul 16 with 3172 views | Steve_M |
Butcher's record as a manager is obviously limited and I'm not certain about his coaching qualifications so perhaps that input isn't enough in its own right.
I'm quite sure he has more experience than Wigan's kit man mind. |  |
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| Butch leaving on 13:58 - Jul 16 with 3141 views | DanTheMan |
Yeah, I'm quite sad to see him go. Hope Dyer gets a decent replacement. |  |
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| Butch leaving on 14:19 - Jul 16 with 3009 views | jeera |
| Butch leaving on 13:55 - Jul 16 by Steve_M |
Butcher's record as a manager is obviously limited and I'm not certain about his coaching qualifications so perhaps that input isn't enough in its own right.
I'm quite sure he has more experience than Wigan's kit man mind. |
Must admit I didn't like to see it when I saw the story.
It's another legend out the door.
But at the same time I have no idea what he brings to the table. |  |
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| Butch leaving on 14:24 - Jul 16 with 2973 views | Fixed_It |
| Butch leaving on 14:19 - Jul 16 by jeera |
Must admit I didn't like to see it when I saw the story.
It's another legend out the door.
But at the same time I have no idea what he brings to the table. |
I'd love him to he given an ambassador role for the Club. |  |
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| Butch leaving on 14:31 - Jul 16 with 2938 views | jeera |
| Butch leaving on 14:24 - Jul 16 by Fixed_It |
I'd love him to he given an ambassador role for the Club. |
Does that involve some kind of cape and hat? | |
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| Butch leaving on 14:36 - Jul 16 with 2909 views | Mookamoo |
Always got the impression it was a bit of a stop gap for both the club and Butcher and wasn't really part of any long term plan for either. [Post edited 16 Jul 2021 14:36]
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| Butch leaving on 14:36 - Jul 16 with 2899 views | MerseyBlue |
It would be nice to have a bit more detail about the whys and wherefores, but if the club aren't saying anything more then what can you do. I don't like the decision but I don't know the reasons behind it, so for the time being I guess you just have to accept it and wish Butch all the best.
Aside from this, the only other thing we've done that hasn't sat right with me is the Gibbs situation. Easy for me to say, but I wouldn't be making it so easy for the scum to sign one of our promising youngsters. Not all down to the club of course but not a decision that I rate from my limited insight.
Everything else has been good as far as I'm concerned. Dead wood cleared, exciting players signed, bullish attitude being shown by the management and executives, and genuine excitement for the season to start. |  |
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| Butch leaving on 14:50 - Jul 16 with 2811 views | BlueBadger |
As Steve has alluded to, his managerial record isn't hugely inspiring and we, as a fanbase, don't have much insight truly into how good a coach he is(if one wanted to be overly brutal, he was amber of probably the worst ever first-XI coaching team at ITFC). However it's sad that we couldn't have kept him on as an ambassadorial-type figure who cold provide a bridge between community and club. [Post edited 16 Jul 2021 14:51]
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| Butch leaving on 14:55 - Jul 16 with 2781 views | Ftnfwest |
| Butch leaving on 14:50 - Jul 16 by BlueBadger |
As Steve has alluded to, his managerial record isn't hugely inspiring and we, as a fanbase, don't have much insight truly into how good a coach he is(if one wanted to be overly brutal, he was amber of probably the worst ever first-XI coaching team at ITFC). However it's sad that we couldn't have kept him on as an ambassadorial-type figure who cold provide a bridge between community and club. [Post edited 16 Jul 2021 14:51]
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and it was a lambert decision (i think?) to bring him in, which hasn't helped i imagine |  | | |
| Butch leaving on 14:57 - Jul 16 with 2763 views | jeera |
| Butch leaving on 14:55 - Jul 16 by Ftnfwest |
and it was a lambert decision (i think?) to bring him in, which hasn't helped i imagine |
So possibly part of his PR exercise?
Appeasing the masses and all that. | |
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| Butch leaving on 15:01 - Jul 16 with 2730 views | BlueBadger |
| Butch leaving on 14:57 - Jul 16 by jeera |
So possibly part of his PR exercise?
Appeasing the masses and all that. |
Definitely a sniff of it I think. Wasn't he still vaguely in favour with a few when Butch came in?
/edit - Butch came in in February last year, when there was disgruntlement, but not outright contempt at that point.
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/butcher-handed-coaching-role-at-ipswich-2639398 [Post edited 16 Jul 2021 15:03]
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| Butch leaving on 15:05 - Jul 16 with 2712 views | BlueBadger |
Actually, reading more into it, there's a telling quote here:
'"It's a bit of a bespoke role, but it's something that will benefit the club, the players, the staff and the supporters," explained Town's general manager of football operations Lee O'Neill."
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"From my point of view, and Bryan Klug's and the manager's, we thought it would be a really good idea to have him and a few other ex players come in and be a little bit more actively involved in the day-to-day operations, particularly the academy, where we feel he can help with the players, with some of the coaches and some of the parents."
I'm obviously quoting rather selectively here(I've linked the full article again as well below) but I'm getting the distinct vibe that his role was rather poorly defined and a more professional set-up at the club has left him with no clear duties.
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/butcher-handed-coaching-role-at-ipswich-2639398 [Post edited 16 Jul 2021 15:19]
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| Butch leaving on 15:41 - Jul 16 with 2608 views | BlueBlueBluex2 |
| Butch leaving on 14:19 - Jul 16 by jeera |
Must admit I didn't like to see it when I saw the story.
It's another legend out the door.
But at the same time I have no idea what he brings to the table. |
He brings the table.
Massive in real life, caught me rather unawares. |  | | |
| Butch leaving on 16:39 - Jul 16 with 2502 views | solemio |
As an u/23 coach he did not need to have many of the skills required by a club manager.
If Kieron thinks highly of him I would give that plenty of credence. | | | |
| Butch leaving on 16:48 - Jul 16 with 2461 views | chrismakin |
Unfortunately, and it's a horrific way of seeing it. But his role was made for him by the old management team rather than he taken on a role, in which you wouldnt even have a job spec for it.
It worked in a way as the fans loved it. And it was great for kids to see him around and Dyer learned alot. Unfortunately PC and the way he likes things done and tbh his personality doesnt quite suite TB and the way he sees football and the standards he was used to, it's no surprise it has finally come to this point. To many voices etc. |  |
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| Butch leaving on 16:51 - Jul 16 with 2460 views | DanTheMan |
| Butch leaving on 16:48 - Jul 16 by chrismakin |
Unfortunately, and it's a horrific way of seeing it. But his role was made for him by the old management team rather than he taken on a role, in which you wouldnt even have a job spec for it.
It worked in a way as the fans loved it. And it was great for kids to see him around and Dyer learned alot. Unfortunately PC and the way he likes things done and tbh his personality doesnt quite suite TB and the way he sees football and the standards he was used to, it's no surprise it has finally come to this point. To many voices etc. |
I'd hope this was not PC's decision, but comes from Ashton or Klug or even O'Neill.
We should no longer have the first team manager making decisions about the staffing of the youth teams. | |
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| Butch leaving on 16:56 - Jul 16 with 2435 views | Churchman |
I feel a bit uncomfortable with it because, quite frankly, Butcher is a legend and KD publicly seemed to like him from his interview. If I remember rightly, he was initially working part time with the u23s for nothing
It seems he doesn’t fit with what the club wants, structure wise, going forward and I’d be interested to know the reasons. Lots of changes and I guess one cannot agree or understand them all.
I do hope the old players that want to do something for the club are utilised in some way. It has to be of benefit to all concerned. For example, it was clear from more than one interview how destructive it was for Evans to dump Simon Milton |  | | |
| Butch leaving on 17:01 - Jul 16 with 2399 views | chrismakin |
| Butch leaving on 16:51 - Jul 16 by DanTheMan |
I'd hope this was not PC's decision, but comes from Ashton or Klug or even O'Neill.
We should no longer have the first team manager making decisions about the staffing of the youth teams. |
I hope so too. I've been told so far that the final discussion wasnt with PC if thats any consolation. And it's not left on bad terms with him. [Post edited 16 Jul 2021 17:02]
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| Butch leaving on 17:07 - Jul 16 with 2388 views | itfcjoe |
| Butch leaving on 13:55 - Jul 16 by Steve_M |
Butcher's record as a manager is obviously limited and I'm not certain about his coaching qualifications so perhaps that input isn't enough in its own right.
I'm quite sure he has more experience than Wigan's kit man mind. |
I think his record as a manager is overplayed by some, he’s done a good job in some places and failed in others - he’s not a serial failure with no track record.
I’ve got no idea on terms of this but was aware a couple of weeks back, but bar Cook he was, by far, the most experienced manager/coach in the club |  |
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| Butch leaving on 18:26 - Jul 16 with 2252 views | monty_radio |
| Butch leaving on 15:05 - Jul 16 by BlueBadger |
Actually, reading more into it, there's a telling quote here:
'"It's a bit of a bespoke role, but it's something that will benefit the club, the players, the staff and the supporters," explained Town's general manager of football operations Lee O'Neill."
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"From my point of view, and Bryan Klug's and the manager's, we thought it would be a really good idea to have him and a few other ex players come in and be a little bit more actively involved in the day-to-day operations, particularly the academy, where we feel he can help with the players, with some of the coaches and some of the parents."
I'm obviously quoting rather selectively here(I've linked the full article again as well below) but I'm getting the distinct vibe that his role was rather poorly defined and a more professional set-up at the club has left him with no clear duties.
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/butcher-handed-coaching-role-at-ipswich-2639398 [Post edited 16 Jul 2021 15:19]
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A "bespoke" role feels a bit precarious to me, smacking over being allowed to carve out a role that the next boss who comes in might see no purpose for, especially if he DID see lots of other roles that he felt certain about defining and appointing. | |
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| Butch leaving on 18:53 - Jul 16 with 2199 views | Ryorry |
| Butch leaving on 16:48 - Jul 16 by chrismakin |
Unfortunately, and it's a horrific way of seeing it. But his role was made for him by the old management team rather than he taken on a role, in which you wouldnt even have a job spec for it.
It worked in a way as the fans loved it. And it was great for kids to see him around and Dyer learned alot. Unfortunately PC and the way he likes things done and tbh his personality doesnt quite suite TB and the way he sees football and the standards he was used to, it's no surprise it has finally come to this point. To many voices etc. |
Whatever the reasons, just seems such a shame to me that we couldn't have kept him on in some role or other, eg mentor to academy youngsters.
I hope he knows the esteem we supporters still hold him in. |  |
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| Butch leaving on 19:00 - Jul 16 with 2191 views | Sharkey |
| Butch leaving on 17:07 - Jul 16 by itfcjoe |
I think his record as a manager is overplayed by some, he’s done a good job in some places and failed in others - he’s not a serial failure with no track record.
I’ve got no idea on terms of this but was aware a couple of weeks back, but bar Cook he was, by far, the most experienced manager/coach in the club |
"he was, by far, the most experienced manager/coach in the club".
Is it so that Geraint Williams is no longer coaching at the club at all? (I think he was, quite recently, but I could be wrong.)
(If Williams is still at the club, he'll know Lee Evans well as I think he was his manager for all of Evans's' Wales U21 caps) [Post edited 16 Jul 2021 19:04]
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| Butch leaving on 21:57 - Jul 16 with 1981 views | Vic |
| Butch leaving on 15:05 - Jul 16 by BlueBadger |
Actually, reading more into it, there's a telling quote here:
'"It's a bit of a bespoke role, but it's something that will benefit the club, the players, the staff and the supporters," explained Town's general manager of football operations Lee O'Neill."
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"From my point of view, and Bryan Klug's and the manager's, we thought it would be a really good idea to have him and a few other ex players come in and be a little bit more actively involved in the day-to-day operations, particularly the academy, where we feel he can help with the players, with some of the coaches and some of the parents."
I'm obviously quoting rather selectively here(I've linked the full article again as well below) but I'm getting the distinct vibe that his role was rather poorly defined and a more professional set-up at the club has left him with no clear duties.
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/butcher-handed-coaching-role-at-ipswich-2639398 [Post edited 16 Jul 2021 15:19]
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Yep, I’d kind of got in my mind that it was a fairly informal sort of arrangement - probably not the sort of thing that sits comfortably with the very professional way we’ve got now.
Shame he’s gone though, I just hope it was done in a genuinely mutual way. | |
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| Butch leaving on 22:00 - Jul 16 with 1971 views | PhilTWTD |
| Butch leaving on 15:05 - Jul 16 by BlueBadger |
Actually, reading more into it, there's a telling quote here:
'"It's a bit of a bespoke role, but it's something that will benefit the club, the players, the staff and the supporters," explained Town's general manager of football operations Lee O'Neill."
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"From my point of view, and Bryan Klug's and the manager's, we thought it would be a really good idea to have him and a few other ex players come in and be a little bit more actively involved in the day-to-day operations, particularly the academy, where we feel he can help with the players, with some of the coaches and some of the parents."
I'm obviously quoting rather selectively here(I've linked the full article again as well below) but I'm getting the distinct vibe that his role was rather poorly defined and a more professional set-up at the club has left him with no clear duties.
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/butcher-handed-coaching-role-at-ipswich-2639398 [Post edited 16 Jul 2021 15:19]
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That was when he first came in, he was U23s coach working alongside Kieron last season. |  | | |
| Butch leaving on 22:03 - Jul 16 with 1943 views | PhilTWTD |
| Butch leaving on 16:51 - Jul 16 by DanTheMan |
I'd hope this was not PC's decision, but comes from Ashton or Klug or even O'Neill.
We should no longer have the first team manager making decisions about the staffing of the youth teams. |
As I understand it not down to PC to appoint U23s managers/coaches. Actually don't think it has been for a while. All the recent ones have come through the academy coaching ranks, I think. | | | |
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