| FAO Bluefish 15:54 - Aug 12 with 2370 views | Kropotkin123 |
Was originally writing this in another thread - the flouncing one - but separated it, as I didn't want it being perceived as having a negative angle, as that really isn't my agenda. I'm just interested in your thoughts on the following...
I know you supported MM pretty loyally when he was manager. When did you change from let's see how he does to this guy has my backing.
We were obviously in the relegation zone when he joined and he got the team ticking then. So was it pretty much straight away. Or when he started clearing out non-committed players in the summer? Or later?
In addition to that, did MM automatically get more leeway as he as in the division above? We evidently lost and drew to teams of a lower standing when he was in charge, but I don't remember you having a going at him, as he had evidently proven something to you. Is this my selective memory? Or was there a reason for this?
What does PC have to do before you would view him in the same way you view MM?
Is one of the differences the way you view this league? The way I see it is we had a load of players that had
1. Got us relegated
2. Finished mid-table two years in a row.
As much as I would like them to be good enough and think most proved themselves to be substandard for our aim of promotion. Players like Chambers were obviously better when younger, they were no longer up to the challenge of promotion (and you know I said he was POTY last season, so that isn't a dig at him).
With PC, I see him clearing out players that weren't good enough. We still need work in the CB position. but from what I can see player-wise, I think he has brought in a group that any manager would be keen on working with and for me that is the progress I'd like to see by game one.
What target are you setting PC? And how long are you giving him for this?
Personally I would be unhappy if we're weren't Top 6 by Christmas and within touching distance of the Top 2. [Post edited 12 Aug 2021 15:55]
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| FAO Bluefish on 15:55 - Aug 12 with 2323 views | Keno |
I think its obvious that Fisht really like Lambert and now missing him very badly
you watch hell soon be posting BBPRP |  |
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| FAO Bluefish on 15:57 - Aug 12 with 2300 views | Dyland |
| FAO Bluefish on 15:55 - Aug 12 by Keno |
I think its obvious that Fisht really like Lambert and now missing him very badly
you watch hell soon be posting BBPRP |
Innit.
Fish and Lambo in the tree... |  |
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| FAO Bluefish on 16:11 - Aug 12 with 2221 views | Bluefish |
I don't really remember how I was at the start of Mick but I wouldn't have been a day 1 fan boy. The big difference is MM didn't join with same crazy hype levels he was probably seen as too boring for that.
The mad hype started with the messiah Hurst and I remember sitting here thinking hold on we weren't that good and we didn't get a result either. This went up a new level under PRP and we happy clapped him to relegation and a bumper contract. I took dogs abuse for pointing out we were kidding ourselves.
As a fan base we shouldn't make out things are the best ever when they are. We have to keep the gaffer accountable and set expectation levels. Cook would have been embarrassed by last season and however you dress it up a draw at home to Morecambe is poor.
The funny thing is the same people that now accuse me of being negative for calling it as it is are the same ones that told me I was a happy clapper for being realistic under mick.
One day I'll call it wrong but I haven't yet. Those that calll me names and abuse have got multiple wrong. Managers should earn hero worship from fans, as a fanbase we have elevated recent managers above that at the detriment of the team [Post edited 12 Aug 2021 16:41]
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| FAO Bluefish on 16:12 - Aug 12 with 2196 views | Bluefish |
| FAO Bluefish on 15:55 - Aug 12 by Keno |
I think its obvious that Fisht really like Lambert and now missing him very badly
you watch hell soon be posting BBPRP |
He gave me my club back and all that | |
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| FAO Bluefish on 16:31 - Aug 12 with 2137 views | Dubtractor |
| FAO Bluefish on 16:11 - Aug 12 by Bluefish |
I don't really remember how I was at the start of Mick but I wouldn't have been a day 1 fan boy. The big difference is MM didn't join with same crazy hype levels he was probably seen as too boring for that.
The mad hype started with the messiah Hurst and I remember sitting here thinking hold on we weren't that good and we didn't get a result either. This went up a new level under PRP and we happy clapped him to relegation and a bumper contract. I took dogs abuse for pointing out we were kidding ourselves.
As a fan base we shouldn't make out things are the best ever when they are. We have to keep the gaffer accountable and set expectation levels. Cook would have been embarrassed by last season and however you dress it up a draw at home to Morecambe is poor.
The funny thing is the same people that now accuse me of being negative for calling it as it is are the same ones that told me I was a happy clapper for being realistic under mick.
One day I'll call it wrong but I haven't yet. Those that calll me names and abuse have got multiple wrong. Managers should earn hero worship from fans, as a fanbase we have elevated recent managers above that at the detriment of the team [Post edited 12 Aug 2021 16:41]
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You may be a bit of a nob for the way you go about things on here, but there's not too much to disagree with there. |  |
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| FAO Bluefish on 16:51 - Aug 12 with 2039 views | Bluefish |
| FAO Bluefish on 16:31 - Aug 12 by Dubtractor |
You may be a bit of a nob for the way you go about things on here, but there's not too much to disagree with there. |
If I posted abuse like I receive it I would be banned constantly | |
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| FAO Bluefish on 16:54 - Aug 12 with 2041 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| FAO Bluefish on 16:31 - Aug 12 by Dubtractor |
You may be a bit of a nob for the way you go about things on here, but there's not too much to disagree with there. |
He gained a down arrow from me when he repeated that nonsense about never being wrong. His opinion on Evans arguably means he was the most ‘wrong’ of anyone on this whole forum. |  |
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| Don't you just think it's a bit..... on 16:57 - Aug 12 with 2026 views | Bloots |
| FAO Bluefish on 16:51 - Aug 12 by Bluefish |
If I posted abuse like I receive it I would be banned constantly |
....weird that these random strangers on the internet give the slightest toss what you think?
I think the majority of them fancy you.
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| Don't you just think it's a bit..... on 17:04 - Aug 12 with 1964 views | Bluefish |
| Don't you just think it's a bit..... on 16:57 - Aug 12 by Bloots |
....weird that these random strangers on the internet give the slightest toss what you think?
I think the majority of them fancy you.
(and who can blame them eh, ?!) |
I love the way that they give me dogs abuse but read all of my posts. I love it even more than some of them then lie about having me on ignore [Post edited 12 Aug 2021 17:17]
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| Don't you just think it's a bit..... on 17:13 - Aug 12 with 1944 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Don't you just think it's a bit..... on 17:04 - Aug 12 by Bluefish |
I love the way that they give me dogs abuse but read all of my posts. I love it even more than some of them then lie about having me on ignore [Post edited 12 Aug 2021 17:17]
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are you drunk?
I will be soon, off out for a sesh with the IT geeks in my company.
Know any good SQL jokes?? |  |
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| Don't you just think it's a bit..... on 17:29 - Aug 12 with 1875 views | chicoazul |
| Don't you just think it's a bit..... on 17:04 - Aug 12 by Bluefish |
I love the way that they give me dogs abuse but read all of my posts. I love it even more than some of them then lie about having me on ignore [Post edited 12 Aug 2021 17:17]
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The lying about ignore thing is always magnificent. |  |
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| Don't you just think it's a bit..... on 17:49 - Aug 12 with 1824 views | Keaneish |
| Don't you just think it's a bit..... on 17:29 - Aug 12 by chicoazul |
The lying about ignore thing is always magnificent. |
The ignore function doesn't work in a logged out state though, that's the issue, not that people who ignore others have some perverse interest in being a voyeur to their comments, as much as some would like to think... |  |
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| Don't you just think it's a bit..... on 17:54 - Aug 12 with 1790 views | Bluefish |
| Don't you just think it's a bit..... on 17:49 - Aug 12 by Keaneish |
The ignore function doesn't work in a logged out state though, that's the issue, not that people who ignore others have some perverse interest in being a voyeur to their comments, as much as some would like to think... |
You clearly stated that you have me on ignore and that you've had me on ignore for a long time. All a bit awks but it is very flattering. Pop me on ignore and just stay logged in or when you log in don't go to the trouble of taking me off ignore to post your gibberish and then expect us to believe that you then put me back on ignore again
As our sponsor says.....you need me man, I don't need you [Post edited 12 Aug 2021 17:55]
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| FAO Bluefish on 18:08 - Aug 12 with 1747 views | Kropotkin123 |
| FAO Bluefish on 16:11 - Aug 12 by Bluefish |
I don't really remember how I was at the start of Mick but I wouldn't have been a day 1 fan boy. The big difference is MM didn't join with same crazy hype levels he was probably seen as too boring for that.
The mad hype started with the messiah Hurst and I remember sitting here thinking hold on we weren't that good and we didn't get a result either. This went up a new level under PRP and we happy clapped him to relegation and a bumper contract. I took dogs abuse for pointing out we were kidding ourselves.
As a fan base we shouldn't make out things are the best ever when they are. We have to keep the gaffer accountable and set expectation levels. Cook would have been embarrassed by last season and however you dress it up a draw at home to Morecambe is poor.
The funny thing is the same people that now accuse me of being negative for calling it as it is are the same ones that told me I was a happy clapper for being realistic under mick.
One day I'll call it wrong but I haven't yet. Those that calll me names and abuse have got multiple wrong. Managers should earn hero worship from fans, as a fanbase we have elevated recent managers above that at the detriment of the team [Post edited 12 Aug 2021 16:41]
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Thanks, appreciate you taking the time there | |
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| FAO Bluefish on 19:41 - Aug 12 with 1630 views | HighgateBlue |
I appreciate this post was for Bluefish, who has earned his moment in the sun as far as I'm concerned, by taking horrible abuse for having different, legitimate, opinions.
But one point I would just pick up on re Mick: you say he lost to teams of a lower standing. I'm not sure what 'standing' means in that context. His record overall, consistently, was that he overachieved vis a vis the budget we had in the division we were in. I would not cut a manager slack purely based on what division we were in. I would cut them slack if we had a small budget for that division. Mick achieved great things in terms of results, and then achieved slightly more average things.
Clearly the Gamechanger lot have the capacity to be a gamechanger for the Club, but before they came along, we had a fairly small budget in the Champ. By contrast, our league one managers have had large budgets for the division. That includes Cook last season by the way, but of course there were circumstances that mitigate his undoubtedly terrible record last year. |  | | |
| Don't you just think it's a bit..... on 21:27 - Aug 12 with 1494 views | Seablu |
| Don't you just think it's a bit..... on 17:54 - Aug 12 by Bluefish |
You clearly stated that you have me on ignore and that you've had me on ignore for a long time. All a bit awks but it is very flattering. Pop me on ignore and just stay logged in or when you log in don't go to the trouble of taking me off ignore to post your gibberish and then expect us to believe that you then put me back on ignore again
As our sponsor says.....you need me man, I don't need you [Post edited 12 Aug 2021 17:55]
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Personally, I think you’re a pair of nobs but I do find it amusing when one nob has the other on ‘ignore’ but still covets the other nob in the fabled ‘logged out’ mode.
No winners here, but sh*ts n giggles for the adults.
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| FAO Bluefish on 21:57 - Aug 12 with 1441 views | Darth_Koont |
On a ranking of posters I’d put Bluefish at Jewell.
Harmless, not entirely charmless but ultimately utterly useless. |  |
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| FAO Bluefish on 22:36 - Aug 12 with 1366 views | Bluefish |
| FAO Bluefish on 21:57 - Aug 12 by Darth_Koont |
On a ranking of posters I’d put Bluefish at Jewell.
Harmless, not entirely charmless but ultimately utterly useless. |
If I wasn't top of the pile I wouldn't have so many taking shots at me. It comes with the territory.
No matter how many try to catch me out I'm still yet to be wrong. It will happen one day, probably a long time away | |
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| FAO Bluefish on 22:39 - Aug 12 with 1362 views | Darth_Koont |
| FAO Bluefish on 22:36 - Aug 12 by Bluefish |
If I wasn't top of the pile I wouldn't have so many taking shots at me. It comes with the territory.
No matter how many try to catch me out I'm still yet to be wrong. It will happen one day, probably a long time away |
Aaah. â¤ï¸ (gives you a little knuckle rub on the head) | |
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| FAO Bluefish on 09:06 - Aug 13 with 1163 views | timothyeo |
| FAO Bluefish on 16:11 - Aug 12 by Bluefish |
I don't really remember how I was at the start of Mick but I wouldn't have been a day 1 fan boy. The big difference is MM didn't join with same crazy hype levels he was probably seen as too boring for that.
The mad hype started with the messiah Hurst and I remember sitting here thinking hold on we weren't that good and we didn't get a result either. This went up a new level under PRP and we happy clapped him to relegation and a bumper contract. I took dogs abuse for pointing out we were kidding ourselves.
As a fan base we shouldn't make out things are the best ever when they are. We have to keep the gaffer accountable and set expectation levels. Cook would have been embarrassed by last season and however you dress it up a draw at home to Morecambe is poor.
The funny thing is the same people that now accuse me of being negative for calling it as it is are the same ones that told me I was a happy clapper for being realistic under mick.
One day I'll call it wrong but I haven't yet. Those that calll me names and abuse have got multiple wrong. Managers should earn hero worship from fans, as a fanbase we have elevated recent managers above that at the detriment of the team [Post edited 12 Aug 2021 16:41]
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| FAO Bluefish on 10:46 - Aug 13 with 1106 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| FAO Bluefish on 22:36 - Aug 12 by Bluefish |
If I wasn't top of the pile I wouldn't have so many taking shots at me. It comes with the territory.
No matter how many try to catch me out I'm still yet to be wrong. It will happen one day, probably a long time away |
Come back when you've got an "Outstanding".... |  |
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| FAO Bluefish on 12:00 - Aug 13 with 1067 views | itfcjoe |
| FAO Bluefish on 16:11 - Aug 12 by Bluefish |
I don't really remember how I was at the start of Mick but I wouldn't have been a day 1 fan boy. The big difference is MM didn't join with same crazy hype levels he was probably seen as too boring for that.
The mad hype started with the messiah Hurst and I remember sitting here thinking hold on we weren't that good and we didn't get a result either. This went up a new level under PRP and we happy clapped him to relegation and a bumper contract. I took dogs abuse for pointing out we were kidding ourselves.
As a fan base we shouldn't make out things are the best ever when they are. We have to keep the gaffer accountable and set expectation levels. Cook would have been embarrassed by last season and however you dress it up a draw at home to Morecambe is poor.
The funny thing is the same people that now accuse me of being negative for calling it as it is are the same ones that told me I was a happy clapper for being realistic under mick.
One day I'll call it wrong but I haven't yet. Those that calll me names and abuse have got multiple wrong. Managers should earn hero worship from fans, as a fanbase we have elevated recent managers above that at the detriment of the team [Post edited 12 Aug 2021 16:41]
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I think you are right re the hype - it's like rather than a manager starting out without a rating out of 10 when they come in, they come in as a 9/10 and anyone who is on the fence is seen as a traitor.
Even if you can see what they are trying to do, that isn't enough - but think key thing is I'm sure Cook as a manager here would say he hasn't done a good job so far, that he has to earn the right to be praised. |  |
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| FAO Bluefish on 12:33 - Aug 13 with 1004 views | timothyeo |
| FAO Bluefish on 12:00 - Aug 13 by itfcjoe |
I think you are right re the hype - it's like rather than a manager starting out without a rating out of 10 when they come in, they come in as a 9/10 and anyone who is on the fence is seen as a traitor.
Even if you can see what they are trying to do, that isn't enough - but think key thing is I'm sure Cook as a manager here would say he hasn't done a good job so far, that he has to earn the right to be praised. |
I think that's a really good analogy. It doesn't matter who it's been recently; Hurst, Lambert or Cook - to some they're instantly a 9/10 and require months of evidence until they'll re-evaluate.
Some like Makin just double down but apparently he does that with everything he posts looking at todays example | | | |
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