| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff 20:26 - Aug 8 with 4359 views | pointofblue |
Reported on Soccer Special just now. Reported to be out for eight weeks so could be the similar for Walton?
Haven't heard of this injury before; now two in quick succession. |  |
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| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 20:40 - Aug 8 with 3944 views | ArnieM |
In all the years I’ve worked in the NHS and privately, I’ve never heard of or seen this injury. It’s a new one in me…. |  |
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| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 20:42 - Aug 8 with 3934 views | SheffordBlue |
| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 20:40 - Aug 8 by ArnieM |
In all the years I’ve worked in the NHS and privately, I’ve never heard of or seen this injury. It’s a new one in me…. |
My brother's a physio and apparently it's not uncommon. He tends to see it in patients who have been wearing flip flops over the summer and then change their footwear/activity levels. That may not be why it's happened here but apparently it's often a contributing factor. | |
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| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 20:48 - Aug 8 with 3887 views | Sharkey |
I'm wondering if it's not a coincidence that these injuries are at this time of year, ...because one of the things that can make this injury more likely is wearing flip-flops! |  | | |
| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 20:56 - Aug 8 with 3825 views | SitfcB |
Those pesky jabs. |  |
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| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 20:59 - Aug 8 with 3794 views | TresBonne |
Was he vaccinated? |  | | |
| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 21:14 - Aug 8 with 3683 views | EastAnglianBoy |
| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 20:56 - Aug 8 by SitfcB |
Those pesky jabs. |
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| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 21:24 - Aug 8 with 3607 views | Mullet |
Was nasty looking as he landed fairly awkwardly from memory. I thought he'd pulled or torn his groin at first as he was clutching one leg and writhing around. |  |
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| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 21:25 - Aug 8 with 3604 views | Kentish_Tractor |
It wouldn't suprise me that goalkeepers are particularly susceptible to Plantar fascia injuries. If you think about it they spend more time standing on their heels than any outfield player on the pitch - both in matches and in training - ie outfield players spend more time on their toes (insert Jonathan Douglas joke here). And modern boots offer very little support or cushioning. Combine that with having to smash the ball for all you're worth a lot of the time. Kinda makes sense to me. | |
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| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 07:13 - Aug 9 with 3042 views | PioneerBlue |
I’m going with the post summer flip flop idea. After covid this and calf injuries were common according to a physio that I spoke with. Exactly the same reason, more people changed from decent footware (shoes) to walking about the house with no shoes, zero arch support putting pressure in all the wrong places stressing the foot and related muscles and tendons then combined that with a long run to beat boredom. | |
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| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 07:56 - Aug 9 with 2932 views | Mookamoo |
| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 21:25 - Aug 8 by Kentish_Tractor |
It wouldn't suprise me that goalkeepers are particularly susceptible to Plantar fascia injuries. If you think about it they spend more time standing on their heels than any outfield player on the pitch - both in matches and in training - ie outfield players spend more time on their toes (insert Jonathan Douglas joke here). And modern boots offer very little support or cushioning. Combine that with having to smash the ball for all you're worth a lot of the time. Kinda makes sense to me. |
I was wondering if it was a boot issue. Remember when there was a spate of metatarsal injuries when new light weight boots came in.
Just wondering if there is enough felixibility in the new moulded blades |  | | |
| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 08:17 - Aug 9 with 2841 views | Churchman |
Never heard of this. When I first read the term I wondered what a pot plant had to do with it.
Sounds flippin painful though. Is it something to do with the ballet shoe style boots players wear these days? Just idly speculating. Hopefully Walton recovers quickly. |  | | |
| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 08:30 - Aug 9 with 2802 views | geg1992 |
I think the more common injury is Plantar Fasciitis, inflammation rather than rupture.
Sadly I have suffered from it a lot due to having flat feet! |  |
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| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 08:31 - Aug 9 with 2796 views | saffers12 |
| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 20:42 - Aug 8 by SheffordBlue |
My brother's a physio and apparently it's not uncommon. He tends to see it in patients who have been wearing flip flops over the summer and then change their footwear/activity levels. That may not be why it's happened here but apparently it's often a contributing factor. |
Correct happened to me so no more flip flops or sandals on holiday just trainers and not had it since, although bloody painful at the time |  | | |
| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 08:33 - Aug 9 with 2785 views | iamipswich |
Cooper's out for up to 8 weeks so hopefully Walton will be a couple of weeks ahead of him. |  |
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| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 08:35 - Aug 9 with 2779 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 08:30 - Aug 9 by geg1992 |
I think the more common injury is Plantar Fasciitis, inflammation rather than rupture.
Sadly I have suffered from it a lot due to having flat feet! |
Yes this is very common, I’ve had it, but actually tearing the fascia…. Ouch! |  |
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| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 08:45 - Aug 9 with 2734 views | ArnieM |
| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 20:42 - Aug 8 by SheffordBlue |
My brother's a physio and apparently it's not uncommon. He tends to see it in patients who have been wearing flip flops over the summer and then change their footwear/activity levels. That may not be why it's happened here but apparently it's often a contributing factor. |
He’s right PF is very common, but is it an actual fascia tear that he ( or me) is seeing and not just plantar fasciitis? How would he know from his assessment as I would expect an MRI or perhaps US would be needed to differentially diagnose a tear. Like him I do see loads of PF complaints. A lot of patients have poor gait / foot biomechanics/ shortened gastroc and Soleus muscles, all of which eventually leads to weakening of the PF. To my knowledge very few of these patients are sent for further investigations. Of course it could be that the general population does suffer actual PF tears but us being mere mortals and not professional footballers, simply don’t get access to the full medical investigatory processes.
They say it usually “ burns out” but that can take 18/12… not much comfort those struggling with it and unable to walk. Some NHS environments or private will give patients a corticosteroid injection for the pain ( patients in so much pain are desperate to have this too), but it has risks (rupture, fat pad atrophy,) and of course it doesn’t resolve the underlying problem that’s caused PF. | |
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| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 08:52 - Aug 9 with 2705 views | geg1992 |
| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 08:45 - Aug 9 by ArnieM |
He’s right PF is very common, but is it an actual fascia tear that he ( or me) is seeing and not just plantar fasciitis? How would he know from his assessment as I would expect an MRI or perhaps US would be needed to differentially diagnose a tear. Like him I do see loads of PF complaints. A lot of patients have poor gait / foot biomechanics/ shortened gastroc and Soleus muscles, all of which eventually leads to weakening of the PF. To my knowledge very few of these patients are sent for further investigations. Of course it could be that the general population does suffer actual PF tears but us being mere mortals and not professional footballers, simply don’t get access to the full medical investigatory processes.
They say it usually “ burns out” but that can take 18/12… not much comfort those struggling with it and unable to walk. Some NHS environments or private will give patients a corticosteroid injection for the pain ( patients in so much pain are desperate to have this too), but it has risks (rupture, fat pad atrophy,) and of course it doesn’t resolve the underlying problem that’s caused PF. |
Is it possible to lengthen the gastroc and soleus muscles sufficiently to help the issue? I actually tore this whilst playing football and I wonder if it has been the cause of my PF. I can't touch my toes and it feels like it's because of this area rather than my back too. | |
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| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 08:52 - Aug 9 with 2704 views | ArnieM |
| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 21:25 - Aug 8 by Kentish_Tractor |
It wouldn't suprise me that goalkeepers are particularly susceptible to Plantar fascia injuries. If you think about it they spend more time standing on their heels than any outfield player on the pitch - both in matches and in training - ie outfield players spend more time on their toes (insert Jonathan Douglas joke here). And modern boots offer very little support or cushioning. Combine that with having to smash the ball for all you're worth a lot of the time. Kinda makes sense to me. |
That’s a really good point. GK’s also do a lot of ballistic work ( jumping up and landing ) and pre season is usually on hard ground as it’s usually hot / sunny when they start back training. | |
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| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 09:57 - Aug 9 with 2591 views | ArnieM |
| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 08:52 - Aug 9 by geg1992 |
Is it possible to lengthen the gastroc and soleus muscles sufficiently to help the issue? I actually tore this whilst playing football and I wonder if it has been the cause of my PF. I can't touch my toes and it feels like it's because of this area rather than my back too. |
Yes in a lot of case they can be. It’s a bit of chicken n egg situation really.
Faulty ( overpronating) foot biomechanics cause the foot over roll in and out, this cause a wind up ( over activation) of the gastric , soles muscles, which then shorten. The persona gait is either adaptive in the first place , or becomes more adaptive due to shortening calf muscles. This makes the person, start to laterally deviate the foot ( outwards), which, you’ve guessed it, increases calf muscle shortening , and tightening. This in turn forces the foot more into the ground , flattening the medial arch, which at every foot strike, over stretches the PF. Over time it weakens and you get pain. As the previous poster said poor foot wear ( usually flip flops) will encourage all of the above.
The interventions I’ve usually advised is a minimum 30sec stretches to both gastric and soleus , and to repeat 5-6 times a day. If I assess and find they need Orthtotics I’ll refer them on for foot biomechanics assessment at the hospital, and of course the use of analgesia. And ice bottles for pain relief. PF is not in inflammatory in it’s cause, but more a repetitive over use injury that leads to weakening. When a structure is finally beyond its tensile capabilities , inflammation can occur as it’s trying to heal itself. Inflammation is the natural body’s mechanism to the healing process. Buts too much inflammation cause secondary problems to tissues.
Some people have inherited “ flat feet”, which can mean they need orthotics. But not all people with flat feet have foot pain. Interestingly, black people often have flat feet, and it’s a likely a race related phenomenon. But having flat per sa, doesn’t mean tha5 person gets PF. Weird eh!
I’ve just found a recent article re PF in sportsmen. It’s a case stud6 so not so easily applicable to the general population. But gives you a idea anyway….
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10239071/#:~:text=Acute%20rupture%2
Edit. People are right re flip flop use too. And it’s a summer phenomenon in most cases. The reason flip flops cause PF, is because the foot is being over worked when walking in them , as the foot is constantly being asked to “claw” ( grip) the flip flop as you walk. ….it’s an over use injury again.
Ps . Sorry if I’ve come across as “ all knowing” and in yer face re this . I don’t mean to be . It’s just part of my job and I’m very much into trying to problem solve MSK problems. I tend to get a bit over enthusiastic….lol sorry! [Post edited 9 Aug 2023 10:02]
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| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 10:04 - Aug 9 with 2545 views | rodney76 |
Talking of Leeds just seen that the budgies are likely to get £12m from them for Aarons. Farke poaching their crown jewels?
They will have money to spend though.
Hope they waste it like they did last time they had serious funds. | | | |
| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 10:13 - Aug 9 with 2509 views | Alberto_the_frog |
A rupture would be worse than what Walton has. I have had plantar fasciitis. It is more of an old man condition. Some exercises cleared mine up in a few weeks. |  | | |
| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 10:21 - Aug 9 with 2454 views | Mookamoo |
| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 10:04 - Aug 9 by rodney76 |
Talking of Leeds just seen that the budgies are likely to get £12m from them for Aarons. Farke poaching their crown jewels?
They will have money to spend though.
Hope they waste it like they did last time they had serious funds. |
£12m for Aarons is a steal. Thought there was talk of him going for £25m last summer | | | |
| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 10:23 - Aug 9 with 2448 views | geg1992 |
| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 09:57 - Aug 9 by ArnieM |
Yes in a lot of case they can be. It’s a bit of chicken n egg situation really.
Faulty ( overpronating) foot biomechanics cause the foot over roll in and out, this cause a wind up ( over activation) of the gastric , soles muscles, which then shorten. The persona gait is either adaptive in the first place , or becomes more adaptive due to shortening calf muscles. This makes the person, start to laterally deviate the foot ( outwards), which, you’ve guessed it, increases calf muscle shortening , and tightening. This in turn forces the foot more into the ground , flattening the medial arch, which at every foot strike, over stretches the PF. Over time it weakens and you get pain. As the previous poster said poor foot wear ( usually flip flops) will encourage all of the above.
The interventions I’ve usually advised is a minimum 30sec stretches to both gastric and soleus , and to repeat 5-6 times a day. If I assess and find they need Orthtotics I’ll refer them on for foot biomechanics assessment at the hospital, and of course the use of analgesia. And ice bottles for pain relief. PF is not in inflammatory in it’s cause, but more a repetitive over use injury that leads to weakening. When a structure is finally beyond its tensile capabilities , inflammation can occur as it’s trying to heal itself. Inflammation is the natural body’s mechanism to the healing process. Buts too much inflammation cause secondary problems to tissues.
Some people have inherited “ flat feet”, which can mean they need orthotics. But not all people with flat feet have foot pain. Interestingly, black people often have flat feet, and it’s a likely a race related phenomenon. But having flat per sa, doesn’t mean tha5 person gets PF. Weird eh!
I’ve just found a recent article re PF in sportsmen. It’s a case stud6 so not so easily applicable to the general population. But gives you a idea anyway….
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10239071/#:~:text=Acute%20rupture%2
Edit. People are right re flip flop use too. And it’s a summer phenomenon in most cases. The reason flip flops cause PF, is because the foot is being over worked when walking in them , as the foot is constantly being asked to “claw” ( grip) the flip flop as you walk. ….it’s an over use injury again.
Ps . Sorry if I’ve come across as “ all knowing” and in yer face re this . I don’t mean to be . It’s just part of my job and I’m very much into trying to problem solve MSK problems. I tend to get a bit over enthusiastic….lol sorry! [Post edited 9 Aug 2023 10:02]
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Wow, thanks so much for your explanation! Recently I've realised I need to take more care etc with my body and I really hope to get the issue sorted.
I really appreciate you taking the time to write that all and it makes a lot of sense.
I wonder, are you local to Ipswich? I really need to see a specialist and you seem to know a lot about the issues.
Especially as I also get a lot of knee pain which I believe is also linked to it all. | |
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| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 11:20 - Aug 9 with 2331 views | ArnieM |
| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 10:23 - Aug 9 by geg1992 |
Wow, thanks so much for your explanation! Recently I've realised I need to take more care etc with my body and I really hope to get the issue sorted.
I really appreciate you taking the time to write that all and it makes a lot of sense.
I wonder, are you local to Ipswich? I really need to see a specialist and you seem to know a lot about the issues.
Especially as I also get a lot of knee pain which I believe is also linked to it all. |
I’ll pm you. Yes I’m local and I’d say your knee pain is quite possibly linked to your foot posture … it’s the “ piggy in the middle” in terms of the lower limb chain … the other end bring glute medius and core. | |
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| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 13:54 - Aug 9 with 2183 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Liam Cooper for Leeds - ruptured plantar fascia v Cardiff on 08:33 - Aug 9 by iamipswich |
Cooper's out for up to 8 weeks so hopefully Walton will be a couple of weeks ahead of him. |
Walton told 6 weeks by his specialist, a week and a half ago. |  | | |
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