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Of course it is 09:05 - Sep 7 with 5692 viewschicoazul

How silly of anyone to think otherwise

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/07/councils-schools-nhs-tax-l

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Of course it is on 09:26 - Sep 7 with 3853 viewsKeno

yes, and no.

If all the tax that should be being paid was being paid it would help
if the government didnt keep spunking money to their friends etc it would help
if there a serious attempt to address some high cost projects and look at whether those funds could be better spent (Trident, HS2 for example) if would help
If there was a cross party common sense approach to funding such as the state pension it would help
If civil service pensions were capped (bearing in mind why th LTA cap has been scrapped) it would help

Most people would accept a common sense increase in Income Tax (as proposed by Lib Dems on more than one occasion) if it was felt that was being properly applied

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Of course it is on 09:32 - Sep 7 with 3843 viewsSwansea_Blue

Of course it is on 09:26 - Sep 7 by Keno

yes, and no.

If all the tax that should be being paid was being paid it would help
if the government didnt keep spunking money to their friends etc it would help
if there a serious attempt to address some high cost projects and look at whether those funds could be better spent (Trident, HS2 for example) if would help
If there was a cross party common sense approach to funding such as the state pension it would help
If civil service pensions were capped (bearing in mind why th LTA cap has been scrapped) it would help

Most people would accept a common sense increase in Income Tax (as proposed by Lib Dems on more than one occasion) if it was felt that was being properly applied


The cost to the economy and revenue lost through suicidal, warped ideological policies by this government and the few before it is off the charts. Tens of billions per year, every year. They could easily hit £50BN extra income by addressing that and the things you say without introducing higher tax rates. And if they did address the mismanagement, I'm sure people wouldn't then mind if taxes didn't need to rise occasionally for additional stuff.

They're going to struggle to get people on board while pissing money up the wall and running tax loopholes galore for themselves/buddies.

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Of course it is on 09:37 - Sep 7 with 3836 viewsDarth_Koont

Who’d have guessed that a low-tax, low-spend country would have crumbling infrastructure and inadequate services?

I’m shocked.

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Of course it is on 10:26 - Sep 7 with 3722 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

Of course it is on 09:37 - Sep 7 by Darth_Koont

Who’d have guessed that a low-tax, low-spend country would have crumbling infrastructure and inadequate services?

I’m shocked.


Maybe if we were all earnings £125k like the electrician the Council was being paid, we could afford more tax?

We have the biggest post war tax burden but the issue is the top 0.5pc and corporations aren’t paying enough. Globalisation is the elephant in the room - we are rasing corporation tax to one of the highest rates in the G7, but all we will see is more capital moving to Ireland, Luxembourg and tha Caymans etc.
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Of course it is on 10:37 - Sep 7 with 3692 viewsMattinLondon

Of course it is on 10:26 - Sep 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna

Maybe if we were all earnings £125k like the electrician the Council was being paid, we could afford more tax?

We have the biggest post war tax burden but the issue is the top 0.5pc and corporations aren’t paying enough. Globalisation is the elephant in the room - we are rasing corporation tax to one of the highest rates in the G7, but all we will see is more capital moving to Ireland, Luxembourg and tha Caymans etc.


I’ve heard a couple of stories regarding ‘that’ electrician earning £125 per year but not the reasoning behind why they were earning that much. I went on an electricians website that stated

‘Electrician salaries above £100,000 are rare, but they do happen, with large corporations seeking professional, experienced and skilled contractors for larger projects’.

So with the above in mind it seems reasonable to me that an experienced and good electrician earns that much.
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Of course it is on 10:41 - Sep 7 with 3663 viewsKeno

Of course it is on 10:37 - Sep 7 by MattinLondon

I’ve heard a couple of stories regarding ‘that’ electrician earning £125 per year but not the reasoning behind why they were earning that much. I went on an electricians website that stated

‘Electrician salaries above £100,000 are rare, but they do happen, with large corporations seeking professional, experienced and skilled contractors for larger projects’.

So with the above in mind it seems reasonable to me that an experienced and good electrician earns that much.


I was shocked when I heard what happened to the last guy they employed


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Of course it is on 10:59 - Sep 7 with 3606 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

Of course it is on 10:37 - Sep 7 by MattinLondon

I’ve heard a couple of stories regarding ‘that’ electrician earning £125 per year but not the reasoning behind why they were earning that much. I went on an electricians website that stated

‘Electrician salaries above £100,000 are rare, but they do happen, with large corporations seeking professional, experienced and skilled contractors for larger projects’.

So with the above in mind it seems reasonable to me that an experienced and good electrician earns that much.


“ it seems reasonable to me that an experienced and good electrician earns that much.”

I bet tradesmen love coming to do work for you…
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Of course it is on 11:29 - Sep 7 with 3546 viewsMattinLondon

Of course it is on 10:59 - Sep 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna

“ it seems reasonable to me that an experienced and good electrician earns that much.”

I bet tradesmen love coming to do work for you…


Any building work that might have to done on our house in the future is in a totally different league to that of a large company etc that requires large projects to be delivered. I doubt that large corporations will phone up Dave The Handyman to deliver said projects.

Without knowing the finer details of why they were on a lot of money is based on snobbery.
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Of course it is on 11:38 - Sep 7 with 3502 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

Of course it is on 11:29 - Sep 7 by MattinLondon

Any building work that might have to done on our house in the future is in a totally different league to that of a large company etc that requires large projects to be delivered. I doubt that large corporations will phone up Dave The Handyman to deliver said projects.

Without knowing the finer details of why they were on a lot of money is based on snobbery.


Given they are the subject of a 700m lawsuit on equal pay, I’d suggest BCC’s track record on how much somebody should be paid needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.
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Of course it is on 11:43 - Sep 7 with 3495 viewsHerbivore

Of course it is on 10:59 - Sep 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna

“ it seems reasonable to me that an experienced and good electrician earns that much.”

I bet tradesmen love coming to do work for you…


I'd rather a very senior and experienced electrician doing complex work was being paid £125k than a banker who can make money betting against the interests of the British people, but then I don't have a snooty attitude towards tradespeople and see them as doing lesser work that shouldn't be well remunerated.

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Of course it is on 11:58 - Sep 7 with 3447 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

Of course it is on 11:43 - Sep 7 by Herbivore

I'd rather a very senior and experienced electrician doing complex work was being paid £125k than a banker who can make money betting against the interests of the British people, but then I don't have a snooty attitude towards tradespeople and see them as doing lesser work that shouldn't be well remunerated.


You’ve said it’s snooty - perhaps that salary is excessive in both cases.

“ doing lesser work that shouldn't be well remunerated.”. And that’s a bit rich when they didn’t see the work of female employees being of equal value.
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Of course it is on 12:03 - Sep 7 with 3431 viewsVaughan8

I know i've said/barked on about previously but these Bounceback loans need to be targeted.

I think intially they thought £19.7billion of BB Loans would be written off. How many of those would be "fraudulent" I don't know. Even if they got 20% of that it would be a lot of money.

As for Furlough fraud as well. I'm sure some have done it unknowingly and just didn't understand it. Other well.....on purpose (i.e. claiming furlough when people were actually working).

This is where I would target, but its a slow process and i'm guessing they need funds now!
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Of course it is on 12:17 - Sep 7 with 3377 viewsMattinLondon

Of course it is on 11:58 - Sep 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna

You’ve said it’s snooty - perhaps that salary is excessive in both cases.

“ doing lesser work that shouldn't be well remunerated.”. And that’s a bit rich when they didn’t see the work of female employees being of equal value.
[Post edited 7 Sep 2023 12:05]


But those issues are totally different. Obviously a female employer doing the same or similar jobs should earn the same as their male counterpart. But saying that a tradesman shouldn’t earn a lot simply because they are a tradesperson is also wrong.
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Of course it is on 12:21 - Sep 7 with 3365 viewsEwan_Oozami

Of course it is on 10:41 - Sep 7 by Keno

I was shocked when I heard what happened to the last guy they employed



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I have a copy of the album with banned cover, though the ones with the stcker showing correct wiring are rarer I think?

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Of course it is on 12:22 - Sep 7 with 3355 viewsgiant_stow

Your post begs the question: what do you think should be done instead?

Not a loaded one - open to ideas...

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Of course it is on 12:23 - Sep 7 with 3353 viewsHerbivore

Of course it is on 12:17 - Sep 7 by MattinLondon

But those issues are totally different. Obviously a female employer doing the same or similar jobs should earn the same as their male counterpart. But saying that a tradesman shouldn’t earn a lot simply because they are a tradesperson is also wrong.


Indeed, but I expect that level of nuance may be too much for some.

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Of course it is on 12:27 - Sep 7 with 3335 viewsEwan_Oozami

Of course it is on 10:59 - Sep 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna

“ it seems reasonable to me that an experienced and good electrician earns that much.”

I bet tradesmen love coming to do work for you…


Let's say the electian charges £65 per hour (which isn't crazy for a skilled tradesman), works 40 hours a week, for say 48 weeks a year, then £125k is what they earn.

What can better typify a "work hard, get rich" philosophy?

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Of course it is on 12:51 - Sep 7 with 3295 viewsbaxterbasics

Of course it is on 09:37 - Sep 7 by Darth_Koont

Who’d have guessed that a low-tax, low-spend country would have crumbling infrastructure and inadequate services?

I’m shocked.


Low tax and spend country? Hardly.

After pension deduction, tax and NI I take home barely half my salary. My recent below-inflation pay rise dragged me firmly into the next tax band, so that's 40+% of that gone into thin air too.

I don't own my home, so rent and basic bills takes most of what's left.

Government wastes and squanders money left right and centre. Everything they touch turns to crap. It's true of the Conservatives now, I see no reason not to expect more of the same when the red team get their turn. And as an apparent 'middle earner' who claims no benefits other than CB for one child, I know I'll be right in their sights when they look to raise taxes.

At least the Cameron regime gave the thresholds a nice hike but no such help from Rishi and Co.

Yes the very rich are able to avoid the taxman easily. The 'can't be arsed' gang get their housing, school meals, prescriptions, universal credit. Those of us in the middle doing the actual grafting and tax-paying get squeezed and squeezed again.

I reckon there's a ton of money which could be found to divert from less important things and put to the necessary big infrastructure of schools, health, transport and so on.

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Of course it is on 13:08 - Sep 7 with 3265 viewsThe_Flashing_Smile

Of course it is on 12:22 - Sep 7 by giant_stow

Your post begs the question: what do you think should be done instead?

Not a loaded one - open to ideas...


Did you read the article? The expert in there literally lists what should be done, and it would raise £50bn a year.
[Post edited 7 Sep 2023 13:09]

Trust the process. Trust Phil.

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Of course it is on 13:12 - Sep 7 with 3254 viewsMattinLondon

Of course it is on 12:51 - Sep 7 by baxterbasics

Low tax and spend country? Hardly.

After pension deduction, tax and NI I take home barely half my salary. My recent below-inflation pay rise dragged me firmly into the next tax band, so that's 40+% of that gone into thin air too.

I don't own my home, so rent and basic bills takes most of what's left.

Government wastes and squanders money left right and centre. Everything they touch turns to crap. It's true of the Conservatives now, I see no reason not to expect more of the same when the red team get their turn. And as an apparent 'middle earner' who claims no benefits other than CB for one child, I know I'll be right in their sights when they look to raise taxes.

At least the Cameron regime gave the thresholds a nice hike but no such help from Rishi and Co.

Yes the very rich are able to avoid the taxman easily. The 'can't be arsed' gang get their housing, school meals, prescriptions, universal credit. Those of us in the middle doing the actual grafting and tax-paying get squeezed and squeezed again.

I reckon there's a ton of money which could be found to divert from less important things and put to the necessary big infrastructure of schools, health, transport and so on.


What would you say are the less important stuff?
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Of course it is on 14:01 - Sep 7 with 3201 viewsgiant_stow

Of course it is on 13:08 - Sep 7 by The_Flashing_Smile

Did you read the article? The expert in there literally lists what should be done, and it would raise £50bn a year.
[Post edited 7 Sep 2023 13:09]


I didn;t read the article, no, but was asking Chico what he suggested instead of more tax.

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Of course it is on 14:41 - Sep 7 with 3117 viewsThe_Flashing_Smile

Of course it is on 14:01 - Sep 7 by giant_stow

I didn;t read the article, no, but was asking Chico what he suggested instead of more tax.


I don't think he is suggesting anything other than more tax. I think he's agreeing with the article, unless I'm very much mistaken.

Trust the process. Trust Phil.

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Of course it is on 15:09 - Sep 7 with 3076 viewsmylittletown

Of course it is on 09:37 - Sep 7 by Darth_Koont

Who’d have guessed that a low-tax, low-spend country would have crumbling infrastructure and inadequate services?

I’m shocked.


Unfortunately, we are a fairly high tax, average spend country run by fools and idealogues who have no scruples and even less competence
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Of course it is on 15:26 - Sep 7 with 3029 viewsgiant_stow

Of course it is on 14:41 - Sep 7 by The_Flashing_Smile

I don't think he is suggesting anything other than more tax. I think he's agreeing with the article, unless I'm very much mistaken.


Fair dos - you could read it either way I spose. Apologies Chico if I got you wrong.

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Of course it is on 15:42 - Sep 7 with 3002 viewsnoggin

Of course it is on 09:26 - Sep 7 by Keno

yes, and no.

If all the tax that should be being paid was being paid it would help
if the government didnt keep spunking money to their friends etc it would help
if there a serious attempt to address some high cost projects and look at whether those funds could be better spent (Trident, HS2 for example) if would help
If there was a cross party common sense approach to funding such as the state pension it would help
If civil service pensions were capped (bearing in mind why th LTA cap has been scrapped) it would help

Most people would accept a common sense increase in Income Tax (as proposed by Lib Dems on more than one occasion) if it was felt that was being properly applied


"Most people would accept a common sense increase in Income Tax (as proposed by Lib Dems on more than one occasion) if it was felt that was being properly applied."

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