| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote 15:23 - Oct 2 with 12500 views | Dubtractor |
Is this really the best they can offer now? Made up conspiracy nonsense?
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| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:25 - Oct 2 with 5905 views | Herbivore |
All they have is this confected culture war nonsense, literally inventing 'attacks' on regular people that aren't happening and aren't likely to happen in order to paint themselves as their defenders. Absolute w@nkers. |  |
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| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:32 - Oct 2 with 5879 views | ElderGrizzly |
They’ve given this woman a platform again. It’s a very very scraped barrel at this point.
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| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:36 - Oct 2 with 5859 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
At least I’d the conspiracy were true, I might see the local Tory MP once in a while, he’s like the invisible man. |  | | |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:47 - Oct 2 with 5833 views | MattinLondon |
Sorry for being thick but what is a fifteen minute city? |  | | |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:48 - Oct 2 with 5828 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:47 - Oct 2 by MattinLondon |
Sorry for being thick but what is a fifteen minute city? |
They are building 15 tiny cities… | | | |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:50 - Oct 2 with 5825 views | Herbivore |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:47 - Oct 2 by MattinLondon |
Sorry for being thick but what is a fifteen minute city? |
Basically the idea is to create infrastructure that means that people in urban areas live within a 15 minute walk of key amenities (shops, schools, GPs) so that we cut down on unnecessary car journeys in these areas. There is nothing to dislike about it, but the right wing have concocted a version of it where you aren't allowed to leave your own 'zone' of the city and will be shot if you do. [Post edited 2 Oct 2023 15:52]
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| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:52 - Oct 2 with 5807 views | le2blue |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:50 - Oct 2 by Herbivore |
Basically the idea is to create infrastructure that means that people in urban areas live within a 15 minute walk of key amenities (shops, schools, GPs) so that we cut down on unnecessary car journeys in these areas. There is nothing to dislike about it, but the right wing have concocted a version of it where you aren't allowed to leave your own 'zone' of the city and will be shot if you do. [Post edited 2 Oct 2023 15:52]
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Sounds great, a bit like the Victorians built, and a good way of restoring high streets. Very sensible, can see why they're so against it. |  | | |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:54 - Oct 2 with 5791 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:32 - Oct 2 by ElderGrizzly |
They’ve given this woman a platform again. It’s a very very scraped barrel at this point.
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No they haven’t. And what’s more, you know they haven’t but still made your post. A creeping pattern to your posts.
She spoke at a fringe meeting. If memory serves, even Corbyn spoke at a fringe meeting, despite haven’t the whip suspended. |  |
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| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:54 - Oct 2 with 5789 views | DanTheMan |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:52 - Oct 2 by le2blue |
Sounds great, a bit like the Victorians built, and a good way of restoring high streets. Very sensible, can see why they're so against it. |
It's basically how cities were built before cars.
But you're not allowed to say anything bad about cars, otherwise, you're declaring war on them. |  |
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| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:59 - Oct 2 with 5762 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:54 - Oct 2 by GlasgowBlue |
No they haven’t. And what’s more, you know they haven’t but still made your post. A creeping pattern to your posts.
She spoke at a fringe meeting. If memory serves, even Corbyn spoke at a fringe meeting, despite haven’t the whip suspended. |
A ‘fringe event’, yet supported by very senior Tories giving it credibility and who were briefing on her behalf on the news round this morning.
A creeping pattern? Ha…
They are Tories. So “They” is correct in my post. But you know that and still posted :) [Post edited 2 Oct 2023 16:00]
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| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:59 - Oct 2 with 5760 views | Blueschev |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:54 - Oct 2 by DanTheMan |
It's basically how cities were built before cars.
But you're not allowed to say anything bad about cars, otherwise, you're declaring war on them. |
For some reason that gave me visions of there being a special screening of Herbie at one of the conference fringe meetings. That really would show the woke brigade. |  | | |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 16:02 - Oct 2 with 5742 views | Zx1988 |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:50 - Oct 2 by Herbivore |
Basically the idea is to create infrastructure that means that people in urban areas live within a 15 minute walk of key amenities (shops, schools, GPs) so that we cut down on unnecessary car journeys in these areas. There is nothing to dislike about it, but the right wing have concocted a version of it where you aren't allowed to leave your own 'zone' of the city and will be shot if you do. [Post edited 2 Oct 2023 15:52]
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It's weird, isn't it?
They're completely opposed to the construction of new developments along the same lines as developments used to be built in [checks notes] their much-beloved 1930s-1950s utopia. | |
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| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 16:07 - Oct 2 with 5723 views | le2blue |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:54 - Oct 2 by DanTheMan |
It's basically how cities were built before cars.
But you're not allowed to say anything bad about cars, otherwise, you're declaring war on them. |
It's shocking that politicians, who introduced policies that created the fastest wealth creation for oil companies last year, are under pressure from oil companies to change approaches that will reduce car dependency. Next, they'll be scraping rail projects and instead filling potholes!
I'm just waiting for them to announce that they're going to increase standing orders and funding for water companies to cover investment in infrastructure to reduce the amount of $hite they pump back out at us, maybe that is for tomorrow. [Post edited 2 Oct 2023 16:08]
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| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 16:17 - Oct 2 with 5686 views | Keno |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:36 - Oct 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
At least I’d the conspiracy were true, I might see the local Tory MP once in a while, he’s like the invisible man. |
Maybe he is wearing the new camouflage kit? |  |
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| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 16:19 - Oct 2 with 5681 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:50 - Oct 2 by Herbivore |
Basically the idea is to create infrastructure that means that people in urban areas live within a 15 minute walk of key amenities (shops, schools, GPs) so that we cut down on unnecessary car journeys in these areas. There is nothing to dislike about it, but the right wing have concocted a version of it where you aren't allowed to leave your own 'zone' of the city and will be shot if you do. [Post edited 2 Oct 2023 15:52]
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In short, it’s a conspiracy theory invented out of a real planning concept, but twisted to imply governments impose these cities as a method of control. It’s right up there with GPS trackers in vaccines and all that nonsense.
Speaking of which, the Venn diagram between anti-vaxers, anti-equal rights, 5G conspiracies, Covid deniers and 15 minute conspiracy theorists seems to be a circle. It’s perpetuated by the same ‘internet experts’ and populist gobshoites at places like GB News. And it’s a global phenomenon (potentially up there with QAnon now idiot MPs are giving it some legitimacy). Nick Fletcher (Tory of course) brought it up in Parliament in February, call the planning concept of 15 minute cities an “international socialist concept…that will take away personal freedoms”.
(I know you know this, just adding a bit of additional context for anyone who hasn’t come across this latest paranoid conspiracy). |  |
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| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 16:36 - Oct 2 with 5558 views | DJR |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:54 - Oct 2 by GlasgowBlue |
No they haven’t. And what’s more, you know they haven’t but still made your post. A creeping pattern to your posts.
She spoke at a fringe meeting. If memory serves, even Corbyn spoke at a fringe meeting, despite haven’t the whip suspended. |
It may be a fringe event, but 60 Tory MPs have joined her group, so her influence looks like being a little more than on the fringes.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/02/rishi-sunak-commons-majority-in [Post edited 2 Oct 2023 16:38]
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| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 16:37 - Oct 2 with 5543 views | itfcjoe |
How big is their majority? Could make things difficult for Rishi |  |
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| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 16:39 - Oct 2 with 5527 views | Steve_M |
It's all positioning for the rump after the inevitable election defeat but the country as a whole rather likes the idea of local amenities.
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| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 16:39 - Oct 2 with 5521 views | DJR |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 16:37 - Oct 2 by itfcjoe |
How big is their majority? Could make things difficult for Rishi |
According to the article the Growth Group is the same size as the government majority which suggests to me there will have to be some pandering to what they want. [Post edited 2 Oct 2023 16:40]
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| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 16:44 - Oct 2 with 5475 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 16:39 - Oct 2 by Steve_M |
It's all positioning for the rump after the inevitable election defeat but the country as a whole rather likes the idea of local amenities.
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Interesting, thanks. And why wouldn’t you? Who in their right mind wants less convenient amenities and to spend all their time stuck in traffic jams? | |
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| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 16:54 - Oct 2 with 5422 views | MattinLondon |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:50 - Oct 2 by Herbivore |
Basically the idea is to create infrastructure that means that people in urban areas live within a 15 minute walk of key amenities (shops, schools, GPs) so that we cut down on unnecessary car journeys in these areas. There is nothing to dislike about it, but the right wing have concocted a version of it where you aren't allowed to leave your own 'zone' of the city and will be shot if you do. [Post edited 2 Oct 2023 15:52]
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Thanks for the explanation- seems like a great idea.
I’m guessing that this idea is somehow woke, dreamt up by some wokist who is part of a tofu eating left-wing Wokerati | | | |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 16:57 - Oct 2 with 5403 views | Herbivore |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 16:44 - Oct 2 by Swansea_Blue |
Interesting, thanks. And why wouldn’t you? Who in their right mind wants less convenient amenities and to spend all their time stuck in traffic jams? |
A third of Tory voters, apparently. Christ they're a weird bunch. | |
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| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 17:00 - Oct 2 with 5376 views | Miaow |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 15:48 - Oct 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
They are building 15 tiny cities… |
But where are they going to Lilliput them? |  |
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| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 17:01 - Oct 2 with 5373 views | DJR |
| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 16:54 - Oct 2 by MattinLondon |
Thanks for the explanation- seems like a great idea.
I’m guessing that this idea is somehow woke, dreamt up by some wokist who is part of a tofu eating left-wing Wokerati |
This from Wikipedia is what the dangers are supposed to be. Can you imagine Tory Prime Ministers in decades gone by tapping into this complete nonsense? Shame on Sunak for doing so. For this alone, he sullies the office of Prime Minister, and does not deserve to hold the office.
In 2023, unfounded conspiracy theories about the 15-minute concept began to flourish, which described the model as an instrument of government oppression. These claims are often part of or linked to other conspiracy theories that assert that Western governments seek to oppress their populations, such as QAnon, anti-vaccine theories or anti-5G misinformation. Proponents of the 15-minute concept, including Carlos Moreno, have received death threats.
Some conspiracy theorists conflate the 15-minute concept with the British low-traffic neighbourhood approach, which includes license plate scanners in some implementations. This has led conspiracy theorists to assert that the 15-minute model would fine residents for leaving their home districts, or that it would confine people in "open-air prisons". Supporters of the conspiracy believe the World Economic Forum (WEF) will take away people's freedom and lock them in their homes using the pretext of climate change. Such beliefs fall within a larger network of conspiracy theories surrounding the concept of a "Great Reset".
In a 2023 protest by some 2,000 demonstrators in Oxford, signs described 15-minute cities as "ghettos" and an instrument of "tyrannical control" by the WEF. British Conservative Party MP Nick Fletcher called 15-minute cities an "international socialist concept" during a February 2023 debate in the UK Parliament. Canadian media commentator Jordan Peterson has described 15-minute cities as a "perversion". QAnon supporters have claimed a February 2023 derailment of a train carrying hazardous chemicals in East Palestine, Ohio was part of a deliberate plot to force rural residents into 15-minute cities to restrict their personal freedom. [Post edited 2 Oct 2023 17:07]
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| Tories currently going big on the anti 15 minute cities vote on 17:03 - Oct 2 with 5343 views | blueasfook |
It sounds like the Tea Party all over again. Does Liz fancy herself as the UK's answer to Sarah Palin? |  |
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