| To win the championship 07:10 - Aug 28 with 4696 views | cressi |
Have we bought players to win promotion from the championship to get promoted next season if things don't go to plan this season.
Apart from a fit Phillips and Cajuste who has played a decent level every one seems a massive Premier league risk. We seem to have the Forest scatter gun approach I hope it works but am concerned it will bite us on the ar*e. |  | | |  |
| To win the championship on 07:20 - Aug 28 with 4036 views | lurcher |
No we are trying to build a side that will stay up. The acquisitions are far from scatter gun. We have acquired a new first 11 that is is just about better in every position than what we had. |  | | |
| To win the championship on 07:26 - Aug 28 with 4000 views | NeedhamChris |
You don't have to be a football expert to be able to look at the signings Forest made compared with us and realise it's not the same. | |
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| To win the championship on 07:33 - Aug 28 with 3938 views | Mercian |
Forest bought in over 20 players including has beens like Felipe, Lingard and Shelvey and a few good ones, Gibbs-White being the best. The rest were average. We are doing nothing like that. [Post edited 28 Aug 2024 7:33]
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| To win the championship on 07:34 - Aug 28 with 3932 views | Blue_Heath |
Knowing Ashton and the board:
1. Players bought with potential re-sale value for those who shine in PL if we go down.
2. Players who would be among the best of the championship.
3. Realistically the best players we can get given where we are in our journey.
To be honest other than Omari our team from last year is not premier league quality as much as we have loved them over the last two years.
This is McKenna's biggest challenege now can he build another team and take it to new heights? One thing is for sure he's had the backing. | | | |
| To win the championship on 07:39 - Aug 28 with 3890 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Nope that’s just the narrative from fans of those clubs who are bitter we’ve taken their best players.
It’s pretty simple really - young, talented, motivated players who have a higher ceiling, and resale value if we did go down.
The alternative is overpaid PL has beens after a final big pay day, who’d be stuck on your books earning loads if we were relegated.
I’m excited to see the likes of Clarke, Delap, Szmodics after a few games to settle in. That’s going to be a formidable attack. | | | |
| To win the championship on 07:45 - Aug 28 with 3848 views | dissboy2 |
You spell the last three letters of your username all wrong. | | | |
| To win the championship on 07:51 - Aug 28 with 3767 views | billabasblue |
Nope clear to anyone with a pair of eyes that we have bought players who have proved they are a step above championship level , Sammy , Greaves , Omari , Clarke all players that are better than Championship and therefore deserve a chance in the PL, the step up is big but I am confident all 4 of these players will make the grade and their values will be higher at the end of the season.
The ownership group , Ashton etc have put their money where their mouth is now it’s time for the manager to build a new side with a sprinkling of last seasons core pros that can sustain PL football and I for one and very confident he will do so | | | |
| To win the championship on 08:06 - Aug 28 with 3632 views | Churchman |
| To win the championship on 07:34 - Aug 28 by Blue_Heath |
Knowing Ashton and the board:
1. Players bought with potential re-sale value for those who shine in PL if we go down.
2. Players who would be among the best of the championship.
3. Realistically the best players we can get given where we are in our journey.
To be honest other than Omari our team from last year is not premier league quality as much as we have loved them over the last two years.
This is McKenna's biggest challenege now can he build another team and take it to new heights? One thing is for sure he's had the backing. |
Actually, I believe Broadhead and Hirst have Premier League quality. They are quick of feet and thought which is a basic requirement for that level. Fitness/injuries is the issue with them.
Davis will be fine when he adjusts, I’ve seen a lot worse keepers than Walton and I actually think Woolfenden will step up too. Burns? Squad player and again is running into fitness issues.
By and large though your point is right. There’s no way we could have gone into the season without making significant additions and they have mostly gone for people with promise and resale value. |  | | |
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| wrong place (n/t) on 08:08 - Aug 28 with 3616 views | ScottCandage |
| To win the championship on 07:51 - Aug 28 by billabasblue |
Nope clear to anyone with a pair of eyes that we have bought players who have proved they are a step above championship level , Sammy , Greaves , Omari , Clarke all players that are better than Championship and therefore deserve a chance in the PL, the step up is big but I am confident all 4 of these players will make the grade and their values will be higher at the end of the season.
The ownership group , Ashton etc have put their money where their mouth is now it’s time for the manager to build a new side with a sprinkling of last seasons core pros that can sustain PL football and I for one and very confident he will do so |
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| No. But it would if necessary. (n/t) on 08:08 - Aug 28 with 3606 views | ScottCandage |
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| To win the championship on 08:24 - Aug 28 with 3475 views | Bellevue_Blue |
Make it make sense ...
We've bought young, hungry players with decent re-sale value (bar SS) who we hope can step up into the Premier League because we can't afford 10+ players of Premier League quality. Of course, it's a risk but those that are less of a risk are signed higher up the pyramid.
On the Forest point, they signed 23 players mostly from established European teams on significant contracts.
The two transfer strategies could not be more different really. | | | |
| To win the championship on 08:25 - Aug 28 with 3466 views | cordonblue |
No.
The prem is littered with players who have been picked up from the championship and gone on to be good premier league players, some even great. Do not understand this view that they are the wrong players to sign. Its been a great window.
The recent Burnley links are somewhat less inspiring, and does appear to be slightly more erratic. | | | |
| No. But it would if necessary. (n/t) on 08:25 - Aug 28 with 3475 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| No. But it would if necessary. (n/t) on 08:08 - Aug 28 by ScottCandage |
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Look at what the Budgies did when they were in this position a few years ago. They bought loads of older, cheap journeymen on long expensive contracts and got stuck with them.
Ours are mostly younger, eager to improve and likely to do so.
Good business. |  | | |
| No. But it would if necessary. (n/t) on 08:29 - Aug 28 with 3442 views | ScottCandage |
| No. But it would if necessary. (n/t) on 08:25 - Aug 28 by flykickingbybgunn |
Look at what the Budgies did when they were in this position a few years ago. They bought loads of older, cheap journeymen on long expensive contracts and got stuck with them.
Ours are mostly younger, eager to improve and likely to do so.
Good business. |
I'm not sure I made my point well. I think we bought the right players to stay up. However, if that doesn't occur, this team, or what would be left of it after some sales, is DEFINITELY in position to come straight back up. | | | |
| To win the championship on 08:39 - Aug 28 with 3364 views | RobTheMonk |
This team has been built on the basis of doing our best to stay in this league.
If we go down, then there should be some excellent resale value to be had as well as keeping a core of players who would be top tier in the league below. |  | | |
| To win the championship on 08:50 - Aug 28 with 3247 views | BloomBlue |
No we already have players, Davis, Morsy, Hirst, Broadhead who are Prem quality. We've added other players like those from the championship who have never played in the Prem or were relegated from the prem, but individuals with quality. KM now has a squad who he believes can survive. Survive being key, KM knows that 4th from bottom is the target this season.
Survive this season then he'll change players again next year to move up to the next section of the Prem, even if that means selling the likes if Clarke, Szmodics. That's how teams evolve in the Premier League.
The approach is similar to Forest's however Forest did survive. |  | | |
| To win the championship on 09:24 - Aug 28 with 3039 views | Blue_Heath |
| To win the championship on 08:06 - Aug 28 by Churchman |
Actually, I believe Broadhead and Hirst have Premier League quality. They are quick of feet and thought which is a basic requirement for that level. Fitness/injuries is the issue with them.
Davis will be fine when he adjusts, I’ve seen a lot worse keepers than Walton and I actually think Woolfenden will step up too. Burns? Squad player and again is running into fitness issues.
By and large though your point is right. There’s no way we could have gone into the season without making significant additions and they have mostly gone for people with promise and resale value. |
Broadhead hasn't the physicality in my opinion, if he wasn't injured I wonder whether we would have part ex'd him on the Clarke deal? | | | |
| To win the championship on 09:39 - Aug 28 with 2957 views | Guthrum |
We already had a team which came one point (and some GD) from winning the Championship.
What I think we have done is to hire many of the players Prem clubs would have been looking to recruit this summer anyway, plus a few who have experience and something to prove (e.g. overcoming a fallow period in their careers). What this means is Town have likely got better value for money and commitment to hard work than if we'd just got a load of Prem old lags not good enough for Everton, Forest or wherever.
It's undoubtedly intended as a Prem squad. Otherwise we'd have saved the money and hired fewer players. |  |
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| To win the championship on 09:43 - Aug 28 with 2905 views | Freddies_Ears |
| To win the championship on 08:39 - Aug 28 by RobTheMonk |
This team has been built on the basis of doing our best to stay in this league.
If we go down, then there should be some excellent resale value to be had as well as keeping a core of players who would be top tier in the league below. |
Quite right.
To add, last summer, we brought in players to establish us in upper-mid-table. With great coaching and hard work, they overachieved. But a third or more of that squad didn't have another big step up in them. They are getting replaced, quickly but carefully (in the main) with much better players who, with coaching & effort, should keep us up. | | | |
| To win the championship on 09:54 - Aug 28 with 2837 views | homer_123 |
| To win the championship on 09:39 - Aug 28 by Guthrum |
We already had a team which came one point (and some GD) from winning the Championship.
What I think we have done is to hire many of the players Prem clubs would have been looking to recruit this summer anyway, plus a few who have experience and something to prove (e.g. overcoming a fallow period in their careers). What this means is Town have likely got better value for money and commitment to hard work than if we'd just got a load of Prem old lags not good enough for Everton, Forest or wherever.
It's undoubtedly intended as a Prem squad. Otherwise we'd have saved the money and hired fewer players. |
As I have said a number of times over the summer.
The recruit process is no different to what we have seen in L1 and the Championship, players that are technically good, young enough to still develop and therefore have potentially very good re-sale value but that improve the squad pretty much immediately (in most cases) and have the right ethos and attitude.
Our owners said they'd back KM and they have. |  |
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| To win the championship on 09:57 - Aug 28 with 2801 views | Guthrum |
| To win the championship on 09:54 - Aug 28 by homer_123 |
As I have said a number of times over the summer.
The recruit process is no different to what we have seen in L1 and the Championship, players that are technically good, young enough to still develop and therefore have potentially very good re-sale value but that improve the squad pretty much immediately (in most cases) and have the right ethos and attitude.
Our owners said they'd back KM and they have. |
The only difference being how many the club have brought in. Significant change rather than a leavening of the existing squad. However, that's a function of how far and fast Town have risen, plus the need to now compete with some very good teams indeed. | |
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| To win the championship on 10:03 - Aug 28 with 2720 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| To win the championship on 07:26 - Aug 28 by NeedhamChris |
You don't have to be a football expert to be able to look at the signings Forest made compared with us and realise it's not the same. |
To be fair, cressi's not a football expert. |  |
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| To win the championship on 10:29 - Aug 28 with 2551 views | homer_123 |
| To win the championship on 09:57 - Aug 28 by Guthrum |
The only difference being how many the club have brought in. Significant change rather than a leavening of the existing squad. However, that's a function of how far and fast Town have risen, plus the need to now compete with some very good teams indeed. |
Indeed. I've no doubt that had we not been promoted, then fewer would have arrived and the likes of Taylor and Al-Hamadi would have more chance to establish themselves.
I have to say, I am both pleased (and impressed) that they've kept to the approach and ethos that has worked so well for us.
The Club haven't panicked or waivered. Would have been easy to do so. | |
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| To win the championship on 10:29 - Aug 28 with 2556 views | glasso |
This narrative is bizarre and sounds like it's come straight from the Pinkun forum.
Why do people assume that only players who've played in the Premier League are capable of playing in the Premier League? There are hundreds of players who've stepped up from the Championship (or lower - see Vardy) and proven themselves capable, and in a world of endless stats and scouting models, why do we assume that KM isn't able to identify them and buy them?
What about players from abroad who've never played in the Premier League? Messi. Mbappe. Haaland had no PL experience before coming to City. It's just daft to assume that no experience = not capable.
Should we have sold all of our squad at the end of last season because none of them are proven Premier League players? Started again from scratch buying £40m + players with 'Premier League pedigree'...?
Delap has looked fantastic so far and he's played... what, one PL game before us? Greaves looks like a monster. We've signed really well. | | | |
| To win the championship on 11:10 - Aug 28 with 2358 views | Guthrum |
| To win the championship on 10:29 - Aug 28 by glasso |
This narrative is bizarre and sounds like it's come straight from the Pinkun forum.
Why do people assume that only players who've played in the Premier League are capable of playing in the Premier League? There are hundreds of players who've stepped up from the Championship (or lower - see Vardy) and proven themselves capable, and in a world of endless stats and scouting models, why do we assume that KM isn't able to identify them and buy them?
What about players from abroad who've never played in the Premier League? Messi. Mbappe. Haaland had no PL experience before coming to City. It's just daft to assume that no experience = not capable.
Should we have sold all of our squad at the end of last season because none of them are proven Premier League players? Started again from scratch buying £40m + players with 'Premier League pedigree'...?
Delap has looked fantastic so far and he's played... what, one PL game before us? Greaves looks like a monster. We've signed really well. |
Much of it is falling for the Prem's own exceptionalist hype. "Best league in the world", "massive step up" and all that. It's still football and only a few teams are genuinely outstanding.
Same as pundits reckoning all promoted teams will inevitably go straight back down, using the example of last season - only time that's happened in the last 20 years (none being relegated has happened more often, three times in that same period). | |
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