| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 16:41 - Oct 25 with 3087 views | VanSaParody |
Difference is, Sunak buys his expensive shirts, suits & glasses with his own money |  | |  |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 16:43 - Oct 25 with 3061 views | noggin |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 16:41 - Oct 25 by VanSaParody |
Difference is, Sunak buys his expensive shirts, suits & glasses with his own money |
He's clearly a working class hero. |  |
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| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 16:52 - Oct 25 with 3013 views | Blueschev |
Why did he not just say that he was not going to raise taxes on those on PAYE, aka working people? Aside from anything else, this new government are terrible at playing politics. |  | | |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 16:53 - Oct 25 with 3011 views | gtsb1966 |
I voted Labour because the last lot were so out of touch with reality (and corrupt to the core) that it was the only way to get them out and with the hope that Starmer and the Labour Party might be a breath of fresh air. How wrong was I. |  | | |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 16:56 - Oct 25 with 2987 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 16:52 - Oct 25 by Blueschev |
Why did he not just say that he was not going to raise taxes on those on PAYE, aka working people? Aside from anything else, this new government are terrible at playing politics. |
Remember what his father did for a living.
He is so out of touch with those who he claims to represent. When did anyone on here last find the need to write a cheque? |  |
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| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 16:56 - Oct 25 with 2983 views | BlueBadger |
Interesting to see so many people already here leaping to the defence of spongers who don’t actually work for a living. |  |
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| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 17:02 - Oct 25 with 2937 views | jontysnut |
What annoyed me was that Sunak was paying a lower rate of tax on income derived from his investments than I was working on PAYE. |  | | |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 17:07 - Oct 25 with 2902 views | J2BLUE |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 16:53 - Oct 25 by gtsb1966 |
I voted Labour because the last lot were so out of touch with reality (and corrupt to the core) that it was the only way to get them out and with the hope that Starmer and the Labour Party might be a breath of fresh air. How wrong was I. |
At least wait to see what is in the budget before writing them off. |  |
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| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 17:19 - Oct 25 with 2827 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 17:02 - Oct 25 by jontysnut |
What annoyed me was that Sunak was paying a lower rate of tax on income derived from his investments than I was working on PAYE. |
As I’m sure is Starmer. | |
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| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 17:22 - Oct 25 with 2811 views | mo_itfc |
"Sir Keir said he believed a working person was somebody who "goes out and earns their living, usually paid in a sort of monthly cheque" but they did not have the ability to "write a cheque to get out of difficulties"."
Can someone explain to me if this makes him out of touch? And if so why?
I don't see anything wrong here tbh... |  |
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| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 17:29 - Oct 25 with 2768 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 16:56 - Oct 25 by BlueBadger |
Interesting to see so many people already here leaping to the defence of spongers who don’t actually work for a living. |
Trouble is, this could hit people who do work for a living. We’ve been encouraged for decades to invest where we can in private pensions or ISAs and people will be topping up income with money from those types of investments, or even retired fully early after saving up for it while working hard. They’ll potentially get double dipped for extra tax now.
Let’s see the detail, but it’s looking like a bit of a mess at the moment. Bear in mind they’re happy to set up low tax Freeport’s for business but seem happy to hit normal people, be they poor pensioners or seemingly anyone who’s been daft enough to save. |  |
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| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 17:32 - Oct 25 with 2756 views | jontysnut |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 17:19 - Oct 25 by Pinewoodblue |
As I’m sure is Starmer. |
But he's not moaning about changing things. Most wealthy people pay a lower proportion of their income in all taxes compared to the poor. What's wrong in making that more fair? | | | |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 17:37 - Oct 25 with 2731 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 17:22 - Oct 25 by mo_itfc |
"Sir Keir said he believed a working person was somebody who "goes out and earns their living, usually paid in a sort of monthly cheque" but they did not have the ability to "write a cheque to get out of difficulties"."
Can someone explain to me if this makes him out of touch? And if so why?
I don't see anything wrong here tbh... |
It basically implies that only the traditional, paid-monthly jobs count as work. There’s loads of people who receive income in different ways to a monthly PAYE cheque.
This made a rod for his own back by using the term ‘working person’. If he’d have said something like ‘we won’t increase taxes on income from paid work’ it’d be a lot clearer. A cynic may say they used a deliberately vague term to leave room for lots of exceptions/loop holes.
Edit. Just to add, for me it comes across as really poor comms. Instead of people talking about their vision for a better future, people are arguing over the definition of a ‘working person’. It’s very similar to the ‘what is a woman’ question that was also a bit of a PR disaster for him. They need to become a bit more professional quickly. [Post edited 25 Oct 2024 17:40]
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| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 17:41 - Oct 25 with 2690 views | Ryorry |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 17:29 - Oct 25 by Swansea_Blue |
Trouble is, this could hit people who do work for a living. We’ve been encouraged for decades to invest where we can in private pensions or ISAs and people will be topping up income with money from those types of investments, or even retired fully early after saving up for it while working hard. They’ll potentially get double dipped for extra tax now.
Let’s see the detail, but it’s looking like a bit of a mess at the moment. Bear in mind they’re happy to set up low tax Freeport’s for business but seem happy to hit normal people, be they poor pensioners or seemingly anyone who’s been daft enough to save. |
Exactly that.
So disappointed in them so far. Even I could have scored from the open goal they were presented with but have spectacularly missed on several occasions.
I still think Reeves has been too determined to show how ’tough’ she’s prepared to be, and Starmer’s been too determined to stick by her cos she’s the first female Chancellor. |  |
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| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 18:01 - Oct 25 with 2629 views | jontysnut |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 17:41 - Oct 25 by Ryorry |
Exactly that.
So disappointed in them so far. Even I could have scored from the open goal they were presented with but have spectacularly missed on several occasions.
I still think Reeves has been too determined to show how ’tough’ she’s prepared to be, and Starmer’s been too determined to stick by her cos she’s the first female Chancellor. |
What would you have done differently? They've been in for 4 months. It takes me that to get a doctor's appointment. | | | |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 18:05 - Oct 25 with 2611 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 17:37 - Oct 25 by Swansea_Blue |
It basically implies that only the traditional, paid-monthly jobs count as work. There’s loads of people who receive income in different ways to a monthly PAYE cheque.
This made a rod for his own back by using the term ‘working person’. If he’d have said something like ‘we won’t increase taxes on income from paid work’ it’d be a lot clearer. A cynic may say they used a deliberately vague term to leave room for lots of exceptions/loop holes.
Edit. Just to add, for me it comes across as really poor comms. Instead of people talking about their vision for a better future, people are arguing over the definition of a ‘working person’. It’s very similar to the ‘what is a woman’ question that was also a bit of a PR disaster for him. They need to become a bit more professional quickly. [Post edited 25 Oct 2024 17:40]
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Starmer’s definition reminds me of this
I thought as a society we had moved on. | |
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| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 18:07 - Oct 25 with 2589 views | GlasgowBlue |
You know you’re in trouble when your flagship policy relies on redefining what a working person is. |  |
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| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 18:08 - Oct 25 with 2570 views | mutters |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 17:22 - Oct 25 by mo_itfc |
"Sir Keir said he believed a working person was somebody who "goes out and earns their living, usually paid in a sort of monthly cheque" but they did not have the ability to "write a cheque to get out of difficulties"."
Can someone explain to me if this makes him out of touch? And if so why?
I don't see anything wrong here tbh... |
I haven't sent her detail only the quote you've said.
I work, have done for 25+ years. I earn a monthly cheque, but I also have savings which means I can write a cheque to get me out of difficulties should the sh!t hit the fan.
Am I not a working person then? |  |
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| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 18:10 - Oct 25 with 2560 views | Churchman |
What Starmer should have said is that Labour will rinse all those it doesn’t think vote for them.
Old codgers who don’t matter because they contribute nothing to the economy (presumably Sir Kier Freebie and the crew don’t think old people spend any money), rich people which by definition must include all those living on savings and lastly renters because to buy a house to rent, you must be rich.
Oh, nearly forgot - people who inherit because it isn’t enough that for the deceased parents, for example, paid tax all their lives and saved to leave something to their children. HMG want a big piece of that pie all over again and possibly a third nibble if rumours about CGT from the point of original purchase are true (very doubtful).
This unreasonable rant in no way means the tories didn’t deserve to be thrown out. They did, for at least a couple of generations. That unsavoury shower would be facing charges and long sentences for crimes against the people if I was made Emperor for life - which I of course deserve.
I suspect Labour are shipping out lots of bad news, real and fiction, so that when Reeves burbles on next week people will say ‘oh, that wasn’t so bad’. |  | | |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 18:22 - Oct 25 with 2523 views | mo_itfc |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 18:08 - Oct 25 by mutters |
I haven't sent her detail only the quote you've said.
I work, have done for 25+ years. I earn a monthly cheque, but I also have savings which means I can write a cheque to get me out of difficulties should the sh!t hit the fan.
Am I not a working person then? |
Fair point, thanks for taking time to respond.
But someone who has been working 5 years and have not accrued enough savings to help if something hits the fan wouldn't view it the same as you?
As a specific case, the wording doesn't work for you. But does it work for others?
Is it only out of touch for those who both work and can draw down on assets / savings?
I agree with previous statements, that this is just some poor communication.
But the premise of taxing those who mainly gain income from the money they already have is going to be appealing to most people, especially the working class. | |
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| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 18:28 - Oct 25 with 2504 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 18:07 - Oct 25 by GlasgowBlue |
You know you’re in trouble when your flagship policy relies on redefining what a working person is. |
It also relies on people have a short memory. This years £20B black hole, is now next years £40B shortfall. Not forgetting that we were constantly told the manifesto promises have been fully costed and no need for tax rises. | |
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| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 18:31 - Oct 25 with 2491 views | mutters |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 18:22 - Oct 25 by mo_itfc |
Fair point, thanks for taking time to respond.
But someone who has been working 5 years and have not accrued enough savings to help if something hits the fan wouldn't view it the same as you?
As a specific case, the wording doesn't work for you. But does it work for others?
Is it only out of touch for those who both work and can draw down on assets / savings?
I agree with previous statements, that this is just some poor communication.
But the premise of taxing those who mainly gain income from the money they already have is going to be appealing to most people, especially the working class. |
Definitely two different scenarios, one has a safety net, one doesn't. However Starmer is trying to define what a working person is, and if this is what he thinks it is then god help us all.
If he wants to tax those with savings, that's another conversation all together. You are always encouraged to save for a rainy day, out something aside etc and for them to now state youre not a working person is just mind blowing.
It almost feels like because they knew they were a shoe in for election victory that they didn't even bother to think about things in much detail and are now doing it on the hoof. | |
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| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 18:41 - Oct 25 with 2449 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 17:41 - Oct 25 by Ryorry |
Exactly that.
So disappointed in them so far. Even I could have scored from the open goal they were presented with but have spectacularly missed on several occasions.
I still think Reeves has been too determined to show how ’tough’ she’s prepared to be, and Starmer’s been too determined to stick by her cos she’s the first female Chancellor. |
Leave the poor man alone....honestly!! |  |
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| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 18:46 - Oct 25 with 2438 views | jontysnut |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 18:10 - Oct 25 by Churchman |
What Starmer should have said is that Labour will rinse all those it doesn’t think vote for them.
Old codgers who don’t matter because they contribute nothing to the economy (presumably Sir Kier Freebie and the crew don’t think old people spend any money), rich people which by definition must include all those living on savings and lastly renters because to buy a house to rent, you must be rich.
Oh, nearly forgot - people who inherit because it isn’t enough that for the deceased parents, for example, paid tax all their lives and saved to leave something to their children. HMG want a big piece of that pie all over again and possibly a third nibble if rumours about CGT from the point of original purchase are true (very doubtful).
This unreasonable rant in no way means the tories didn’t deserve to be thrown out. They did, for at least a couple of generations. That unsavoury shower would be facing charges and long sentences for crimes against the people if I was made Emperor for life - which I of course deserve.
I suspect Labour are shipping out lots of bad news, real and fiction, so that when Reeves burbles on next week people will say ‘oh, that wasn’t so bad’. |
I don't mind paying a bit more tax in return for investment in better public services and reducing inequality. I'm happy for those who earn a lot to pay a little bit more. It's unfashionably Old Labour but there you go. | | | |
| Starmer’s definition of working people. on 18:54 - Oct 25 with 2379 views | Zx1988 |
To me there are two problems here.
The whole 'working people' schtick was never needed in the first place. Promises re income tax, VAT, and NI covered that section of the population anyway.
After the fact, I'm not sure that 'working people' necessarily needed any expanding upon. Even if it's unnecessarily vague, the vast majority will have understood the broad tenor of the concept. | |
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