| Thoughts 23:10 - Jul 25 with 3228 views | DavoIPB |
What a championship team we have. Quality throughout.
Say that:
Need another striker and centre mid.
Enjoyed seeing Davis in new role, please keep him there (he can't defend)
O'Shea and Greaves more than good enough centre backs and should start.
We have upgraded from Morsy and recruitment has been good so far.
We now have too many decent championship keepers.
If we went.up we would need a whole new team again.
Westlake is still too positive all the time on Comms
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| Thoughts on 23:23 - Jul 25 with 2890 views | J2BLUE |
I'd say we need 2 CMs and a striker.
I would be a little concerned if we go into the season with Humphreys and Taylor as two of our four midfielders. I do think we will get the players needed and look very strong by the end of the window. |  |
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| Thoughts on 23:37 - Jul 25 with 2837 views | davblue |
Think you need to remember we were probably playing against a top league 1/ bottom half Championship quality team. |  | | |
| Thoughts on 23:50 - Jul 25 with 2763 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Thoughts on 23:37 - Jul 25 by davblue |
Think you need to remember we were probably playing against a top league 1/ bottom half Championship quality team. |
Bit disingenuous. They were pretty solid first part of last season, but then went to pieces during the middle, and picked up a bit again towards the end. That mid season ruined their season, but they beat Rangers once, and beat plus drew with Celtic once for each.
Not top Championship, but neither are they as low as a (typical) top L1 side. | | | |
| Thoughts on 00:10 - Jul 26 with 2677 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| Thoughts on 23:50 - Jul 25 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Bit disingenuous. They were pretty solid first part of last season, but then went to pieces during the middle, and picked up a bit again towards the end. That mid season ruined their season, but they beat Rangers once, and beat plus drew with Celtic once for each.
Not top Championship, but neither are they as low as a (typical) top L1 side. |
But Rangers and Celtic are mid-Championship at best. Hence why they got laughed out of their attempts to join the PL many years ago. | | | |
| Thoughts on 00:10 - Jul 26 with 2688 views | davblue |
| Thoughts on 23:50 - Jul 25 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Bit disingenuous. They were pretty solid first part of last season, but then went to pieces during the middle, and picked up a bit again towards the end. That mid season ruined their season, but they beat Rangers once, and beat plus drew with Celtic once for each.
Not top Championship, but neither are they as low as a (typical) top L1 side. |
Don’t think there’s a huge gulf between top l1 and bottom of the championship tbh. | | | |
| Thoughts on 00:18 - Jul 26 with 2648 views | DavoIPB |
| Thoughts on 23:37 - Jul 25 by davblue |
Think you need to remember we were probably playing against a top league 1/ bottom half Championship quality team. |
Used to watch Aberdeen about twenty years ago as a student there, they were truly awful then. They have really improved since and people slate the Scottish prem league but they have some decent teams. | | | |
| Thoughts on 00:25 - Jul 26 with 2619 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Thoughts on 00:10 - Jul 26 by SimonBatfordITFC |
But Rangers and Celtic are mid-Championship at best. Hence why they got laughed out of their attempts to join the PL many years ago. |
The same Celtic that pushed Bayern Munich close over 2 legs last season?
I agree that Celtic & Rangers don’t deserve an automatic place in the PL on merit (which is what was in discussion a few years ago), but to argue they are ‘mid-championship at best is way off the mark imo. | | | |
| Thoughts on 00:29 - Jul 26 with 2578 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| Thoughts on 00:25 - Jul 26 by SuffolkPunchFC |
The same Celtic that pushed Bayern Munich close over 2 legs last season?
I agree that Celtic & Rangers don’t deserve an automatic place in the PL on merit (which is what was in discussion a few years ago), but to argue they are ‘mid-championship at best is way off the mark imo. |
Yes! The same Celtic that lost to Aberdeen in the cup final. The same Aberdeen that just got smashed by a Championship team.
The same Celtic that recently got smashed 5-1 by Ajax.
And the same Rangers that will get turned over by a Championship team tomorrow. | | | |
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| Thoughts on 00:54 - Jul 26 with 2542 views | Stenvict |
| Thoughts on 00:29 - Jul 26 by SimonBatfordITFC |
Yes! The same Celtic that lost to Aberdeen in the cup final. The same Aberdeen that just got smashed by a Championship team.
The same Celtic that recently got smashed 5-1 by Ajax.
And the same Rangers that will get turned over by a Championship team tomorrow. |
Celtic beat Newcastle 4-0 last week | |
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| Thoughts on 03:51 - Jul 26 with 2290 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Thoughts on 00:29 - Jul 26 by SimonBatfordITFC |
Yes! The same Celtic that lost to Aberdeen in the cup final. The same Aberdeen that just got smashed by a Championship team.
The same Celtic that recently got smashed 5-1 by Ajax.
And the same Rangers that will get turned over by a Championship team tomorrow. |
The same Championship side that beat two of the European Champions and World Club Cup Champions last season.
The type of comparison is stupid. |  |
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| Thoughts on 04:40 - Jul 26 with 2232 views | Benters |
| Thoughts on 23:37 - Jul 25 by davblue |
Think you need to remember we were probably playing against a top league 1/ bottom half Championship quality team. |
Yes but it’s always nice to win whoever you are playing. |  |
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| Thoughts on 06:42 - Jul 26 with 2041 views | lurcher |
2 CMs and 1 No9 |  | | |
| Thoughts on 07:11 - Jul 26 with 1927 views | franz_tyson |
Hate this upgrade on Morsy thing. What ... based on 2 pre-season games? Did not not witness and appreciate what Morsy gave to us over 4 years? It's like it meant nothing. Glib comment.
Why not wait a bit and see how the new CM/s work out. | | | |
| Thoughts on 08:41 - Jul 26 with 1630 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Thoughts on 00:29 - Jul 26 by SimonBatfordITFC |
Yes! The same Celtic that lost to Aberdeen in the cup final. The same Aberdeen that just got smashed by a Championship team.
The same Celtic that recently got smashed 5-1 by Ajax.
And the same Rangers that will get turned over by a Championship team tomorrow. |
With this kind of equivalence can only mean, Chelsea are World Club Cup winners, we didn't lose against Chelsea last season, so we are better than Chelsea.
And as Chelsea beat PSG we must be better than PSG too.
Its all a bit playground reckoning. |  |
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| Thoughts on 08:53 - Jul 26 with 1536 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| Thoughts on 08:41 - Jul 26 by Cheltenham_Blue |
With this kind of equivalence can only mean, Chelsea are World Club Cup winners, we didn't lose against Chelsea last season, so we are better than Chelsea.
And as Chelsea beat PSG we must be better than PSG too.
Its all a bit playground reckoning. |
But Chelsea have strengthened considerably since then. They’ve picked up that Delap lad for starters. He’s mustard. | | | |
| Thoughts on 09:21 - Jul 26 with 1409 views | Smoresy |
| Thoughts on 23:50 - Jul 25 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Bit disingenuous. They were pretty solid first part of last season, but then went to pieces during the middle, and picked up a bit again towards the end. That mid season ruined their season, but they beat Rangers once, and beat plus drew with Celtic once for each.
Not top Championship, but neither are they as low as a (typical) top L1 side. |
Disingenuous is a strong word imo. Their Opta rating is 74.4, which places them exactly level with Plymouth for ability. Opta's "power rankings" is modelled on chess's Elo rating system and may not accurately capture the strength of every team but it provides a decent snapshot in time generally. One criticism would be that it's sometimes slow to keep pace with accelerated improvements / declines from individual clubs, unlike say betting odds, which would have more quickly reflected the rise of PSG for instance, or the transfers in of Wrexham over the summer.
Aberdeen performed heroics in their cup final and shocked Scottish football in doing so; they'd lost 5-1 & 5-1 in the two Celtic games prior. Hibernian, Scotland's third best team as of last season, are rated 78.0, with the bottom half of the Championship* rated between 79.5 to 80.5. League One's top 10 clubs are currently rated between 72.2 to 77.9.
https://theanalyst.com/articles/who-are-the-best-football-team-in-the-world-opta
*Bottom half of the surviving Championship [Post edited 26 Jul 9:43]
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| Thoughts on 10:24 - Jul 26 with 1232 views | C_Jam_Blue |
It was great to see the team live, first time for a couple of years. A few more observations
Davis/Philogene combination looks good - a lot of pace and skill there
Matusiwa looks good - great on the half turn, looks to pass forward but as has been said by many, we need someone else in there to support him
Performance after the substitutions was low-key. Press less committed and organized, some poor passing and (Chaplin aside) much less threat up front. A few injuries and we will struggle without new faces.
Interested to see what Ashley Young brings. We were so much more threatening down the left.
Bit disappointed Baggott and Humphreys did not make more impression, would love to see one or both step up this season. I think they played well in the previous game though.
I still get the wobbles when we play the ball around at the back. A better organized pressing team would have had a couple I think
Still a few moments where Aberdeen walked through the midfield from centre circle to penalty box unchallenged which felt a bit like last season.
An excellent confidence boosting win.
Just about everyone I spoke to at the game lived in Scotland. Seems like we have a big supporter base up here. | | | |
| Thoughts on 10:38 - Jul 26 with 1194 views | Wickets |
| Thoughts on 10:24 - Jul 26 by C_Jam_Blue |
It was great to see the team live, first time for a couple of years. A few more observations
Davis/Philogene combination looks good - a lot of pace and skill there
Matusiwa looks good - great on the half turn, looks to pass forward but as has been said by many, we need someone else in there to support him
Performance after the substitutions was low-key. Press less committed and organized, some poor passing and (Chaplin aside) much less threat up front. A few injuries and we will struggle without new faces.
Interested to see what Ashley Young brings. We were so much more threatening down the left.
Bit disappointed Baggott and Humphreys did not make more impression, would love to see one or both step up this season. I think they played well in the previous game though.
I still get the wobbles when we play the ball around at the back. A better organized pressing team would have had a couple I think
Still a few moments where Aberdeen walked through the midfield from centre circle to penalty box unchallenged which felt a bit like last season.
An excellent confidence boosting win.
Just about everyone I spoke to at the game lived in Scotland. Seems like we have a big supporter base up here. |
Yes and i think we all know midfield is still a real worry . |  | | |
| Thoughts on 12:16 - Jul 26 with 972 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Thoughts on 09:21 - Jul 26 by Smoresy |
Disingenuous is a strong word imo. Their Opta rating is 74.4, which places them exactly level with Plymouth for ability. Opta's "power rankings" is modelled on chess's Elo rating system and may not accurately capture the strength of every team but it provides a decent snapshot in time generally. One criticism would be that it's sometimes slow to keep pace with accelerated improvements / declines from individual clubs, unlike say betting odds, which would have more quickly reflected the rise of PSG for instance, or the transfers in of Wrexham over the summer.
Aberdeen performed heroics in their cup final and shocked Scottish football in doing so; they'd lost 5-1 & 5-1 in the two Celtic games prior. Hibernian, Scotland's third best team as of last season, are rated 78.0, with the bottom half of the Championship* rated between 79.5 to 80.5. League One's top 10 clubs are currently rated between 72.2 to 77.9.
https://theanalyst.com/articles/who-are-the-best-football-team-in-the-world-opta
*Bottom half of the surviving Championship [Post edited 26 Jul 9:43]
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Don't opta measure performance over 5 years though? And Aberdeen were pants until recently - last season their early form was outstanding. Also highlights why we're so far behind Sheffield United for example - we were still so poor 4 & 5 years ago.
So, as you say, these stats (and don't get me wrong - I'm a big believer is stats) are likely distorted by a recent, significant upturn. You get a better picture if you've been tracking the SPL in recent seasons. | | | |
| Thoughts on 12:21 - Jul 26 with 935 views | TractorWood |
CM is a massive, obvious gap. Particularly compared to our embarrassment of riches (for the championship) out wide.
Need more upfront too. Hirst will likely only manage 25 games. [Post edited 26 Jul 12:21]
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| Thoughts on 12:51 - Jul 26 with 850 views | Smoresy |
| Thoughts on 12:16 - Jul 26 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Don't opta measure performance over 5 years though? And Aberdeen were pants until recently - last season their early form was outstanding. Also highlights why we're so far behind Sheffield United for example - we were still so poor 4 & 5 years ago.
So, as you say, these stats (and don't get me wrong - I'm a big believer is stats) are likely distorted by a recent, significant upturn. You get a better picture if you've been tracking the SPL in recent seasons. |
The Elo system doesn't have a cutoff date. I believe the points system is designed to be fairly dynamic though, such that it isn't simply an assessment of which team has been more dominant over many years. Man City are behind Liverpool and Arsenal, to support that impression, and Real Madrid are below Barcelona.
To be honest, an extended assessment period would favour Aberdeen as their strong recent period was a few years ago now. No Scottish team outside the Old Firm has a rating above bottom half Championship at the moment, would be my main takeaway. Aberdeen were a good opponent though and gave us a good game. | | | |
| Thoughts on 13:14 - Jul 26 with 775 views | Swansea_Blue |
I feel sorry for Woolfie. He’s far too good to not be first choice in the Championship. I hope we can keep him and he doesn’t get itchy feet. Chappers may be in that same boat now too, and Wes when he comes back. Kieran’s going to have his work cut out keeping old first teamers happy in their new backup roles. |  |
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| Thoughts on 13:23 - Jul 26 with 738 views | DavoIPB |
| Thoughts on 07:11 - Jul 26 by franz_tyson |
Hate this upgrade on Morsy thing. What ... based on 2 pre-season games? Did not not witness and appreciate what Morsy gave to us over 4 years? It's like it meant nothing. Glib comment.
Why not wait a bit and see how the new CM/s work out. |
No his stats over his career are way better than Morsy, can already see he is quicker to move the ball. Can pick a really good pass.
Just look at hirsts comments on Morsy to see what he was really like. | | | |
| Thoughts on 13:36 - Jul 26 with 678 views | olimar |
| Thoughts on 13:14 - Jul 26 by Swansea_Blue |
I feel sorry for Woolfie. He’s far too good to not be first choice in the Championship. I hope we can keep him and he doesn’t get itchy feet. Chappers may be in that same boat now too, and Wes when he comes back. Kieran’s going to have his work cut out keeping old first teamers happy in their new backup roles. |
Woolfenden will likely get some minutes late in games, especially at right back to give us extra height, whilst Id imagine hes going to start periodically like Edmundson did too- its a long season. That might not be exactly what he wants but probably enough, if the team are doing well, to keep him content.
Chaplin and Burns are going to probably get even more time as regular subs, with some occasional starts too. Think Burns is probably going to be accepting whatever minutes he can get on his way back, before he can really think about being a regular. | | | |
| Thoughts on 13:49 - Jul 26 with 630 views | NthQldITFC |
| Thoughts on 13:14 - Jul 26 by Swansea_Blue |
I feel sorry for Woolfie. He’s far too good to not be first choice in the Championship. I hope we can keep him and he doesn’t get itchy feet. Chappers may be in that same boat now too, and Wes when he comes back. Kieran’s going to have his work cut out keeping old first teamers happy in their new backup roles. |
Although twice now (I think) we've played a more three at the back looking system second half. Suspect that's more to do with availability, but maybe... probably not! |  |
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