| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players 10:33 - Aug 13 with 14034 views | Keno |
We have a half decent squad, lots of highly talented young players coming through
if we have manager with the ability the mould theym in a team with an effective playing style and coach them into being the best players they can be ......
..... oh......
Ok, so who are we signing and when!!!!! |  |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:38 - Aug 13 with 5422 views | itfcjoe |
Whilst I am in the camp of thinking squad is basically good enough, when the manager comes out and says this:
“But we certainly need people to improve us, we have to try and get somebody in to improve us because last year simply wasn’t good enough.
“Ideally you’d love to get them in now, ideally. But it’s not an ideal world we’re in at the minute, we’re in strange times.”
Then it's clear that the manager won't be happy without any signings and then that will feed to the players and the negativity doesn't help anyone, as per last season when lambert just dragged us down with so little enthusiasm |  |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:42 - Aug 13 with 5384 views | Bluefish |
Completely agree. It is a weird situation with a manager that is desperately hopeless and clutching at straws to put the blame elsewhere but we also have sky generation fans that demand signings and the more expensive the better. Doesnt matter if they are all in the same position or whether that add anything to the team so long as we can sign players for big money |  |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:43 - Aug 13 with 5387 views | Herbivore |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:38 - Aug 13 by itfcjoe |
Whilst I am in the camp of thinking squad is basically good enough, when the manager comes out and says this:
“But we certainly need people to improve us, we have to try and get somebody in to improve us because last year simply wasn’t good enough.
“Ideally you’d love to get them in now, ideally. But it’s not an ideal world we’re in at the minute, we’re in strange times.”
Then it's clear that the manager won't be happy without any signings and then that will feed to the players and the negativity doesn't help anyone, as per last season when lambert just dragged us down with so little enthusiasm |
His negativity and blame shifting are quite frustrating. I still can't get over the way threw Hurst's signings under the bus last season under some gentle questioning about his record here. It was unbelievable. |  |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:45 - Aug 13 with 5358 views | Bluefish |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:43 - Aug 13 by Herbivore |
His negativity and blame shifting are quite frustrating. I still can't get over the way threw Hurst's signings under the bus last season under some gentle questioning about his record here. It was unbelievable. |
The bloke took us down in one of the limpest relegation fights on record and the start of the next season he had fans singing all match that he is a blue and the owner is a ****. He was then given the easiest ride ever throughout the next season, he just wants to repeat that blame shifting | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:46 - Aug 13 with 5366 views | itfcjoe |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:43 - Aug 13 by Herbivore |
His negativity and blame shifting are quite frustrating. I still can't get over the way threw Hurst's signings under the bus last season under some gentle questioning about his record here. It was unbelievable. |
I just don't see anything else bar him being sacked a few weeks into the season after a poor start, we are just wasting time currently - even putting aside his record from last season it's just not right down there | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:50 - Aug 13 with 5315 views | Bluefish |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:46 - Aug 13 by itfcjoe |
I just don't see anything else bar him being sacked a few weeks into the season after a poor start, we are just wasting time currently - even putting aside his record from last season it's just not right down there |
Completely agree, we are going to repeat the mick situation again where the fan base is going to turn on the manager for every goal conceded and every point dropped. It isnt healthy, i suppose he needs a strong start and the fan to be kept away for as long as possible.
We just seem to have a great opportunity to let the new bloke bed in now and build his own team, with transfer windows and salary caps that will be even harder to do if we wait | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:50 - Aug 13 with 5328 views | Keno |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:38 - Aug 13 by itfcjoe |
Whilst I am in the camp of thinking squad is basically good enough, when the manager comes out and says this:
“But we certainly need people to improve us, we have to try and get somebody in to improve us because last year simply wasn’t good enough.
“Ideally you’d love to get them in now, ideally. But it’s not an ideal world we’re in at the minute, we’re in strange times.”
Then it's clear that the manager won't be happy without any signings and then that will feed to the players and the negativity doesn't help anyone, as per last season when lambert just dragged us down with so little enthusiasm |
I'd have preferred him to say something like
"I accept lost season we weren't good enough and I take full responsibility for that.
When you consider the outstanding young players I have available this season we will focus on developing what we have, which quite frankly had I not f;cked it up so badly should have walked this league last season" | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:51 - Aug 13 with 5319 views | Ftnfwest |
Particularly as many have moaned for the last 12 months that this group of players are capable of doing far better than they did last season. That said we can probably only carry most of them financially for another season so if they don't do it this year... |  | | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:52 - Aug 13 with 5315 views | OsborneOneNil |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:46 - Aug 13 by itfcjoe |
I just don't see anything else bar him being sacked a few weeks into the season after a poor start, we are just wasting time currently - even putting aside his record from last season it's just not right down there |
I agree on this, and sincerely hope you are right. Speaking to a former player, he is as shocked as us that PL is still at the club, as are many ex-Town lads.....Covid DEFINITELY saved him, well, bought him time. |  | | |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:54 - Aug 13 with 5286 views | davblue |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:46 - Aug 13 by itfcjoe |
I just don't see anything else bar him being sacked a few weeks into the season after a poor start, we are just wasting time currently - even putting aside his record from last season it's just not right down there |
Out of all the managers Evans has appointed he's the worst.
He's just been crap for nearly 2 years. Hurst had 13 games and was dismal but at least you could see what he was trying to do playing style, his recruitment was god awful. |  | | |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:55 - Aug 13 with 5266 views | Bluefish |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:50 - Aug 13 by Keno |
I'd have preferred him to say something like
"I accept lost season we weren't good enough and I take full responsibility for that.
When you consider the outstanding young players I have available this season we will focus on developing what we have, which quite frankly had I not f;cked it up so badly should have walked this league last season" |
When I came here the fans were on the ground, it was terrible seeing them and I knew I could fixed it. We made that the focus to not worry about games but just to get the fans back on board, I did a great job and they love me for it. It is now time to think about doing something with the team but it will probably need support and i won't get it, I played in Germany so I know want I need amd the fans deserve it. I want to reward them with success, if it doesn't happen I still have a few tricks up my sleave though to keep them on board. Right anyway, who wants a beer? | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:56 - Aug 13 with 5273 views | Herbivore |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:45 - Aug 13 by Bluefish |
The bloke took us down in one of the limpest relegation fights on record and the start of the next season he had fans singing all match that he is a blue and the owner is a ****. He was then given the easiest ride ever throughout the next season, he just wants to repeat that blame shifting |
If you'd been at PR the last couple of months at the season I'm not sure you'd say he was given an easy ride last season. There was a lot of anger and frustration being aimed his way. | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:56 - Aug 13 with 5271 views | itfcjoe |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:50 - Aug 13 by Bluefish |
Completely agree, we are going to repeat the mick situation again where the fan base is going to turn on the manager for every goal conceded and every point dropped. It isnt healthy, i suppose he needs a strong start and the fan to be kept away for as long as possible.
We just seem to have a great opportunity to let the new bloke bed in now and build his own team, with transfer windows and salary caps that will be even harder to do if we wait |
And I think Lambert thinks the failure was down to the players rather than himself, so we are going to be back to square 1 in October when a new manager comes in - you can just see it now as we waste what is a massive season in the clubs future | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:57 - Aug 13 with 5260 views | hype313 |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:50 - Aug 13 by Keno |
I'd have preferred him to say something like
"I accept lost season we weren't good enough and I take full responsibility for that.
When you consider the outstanding young players I have available this season we will focus on developing what we have, which quite frankly had I not f;cked it up so badly should have walked this league last season" |
Indeed, his job should be making the players better, we have a squad perfectly capable of challenging, look at the changes Arteta made with Arsenal post Emery, they were a shambles under Emery but better management and man management completely transformed them. Obviously I'm not saying Lambert is anywhere near the level of Arteta, but the point of coaching still stands.
Some mangers need to realise that thier job is to coach and improve, not just keep throw signings at it hoping for the best. |  |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:58 - Aug 13 with 5249 views | Herbivore |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:54 - Aug 13 by davblue |
Out of all the managers Evans has appointed he's the worst.
He's just been crap for nearly 2 years. Hurst had 13 games and was dismal but at least you could see what he was trying to do playing style, his recruitment was god awful. |
Hurst gutted a capable squad and replaced it with players who weren't good enough. That was hugely damaging. For me he shades Lambert as our worst manager under ME on that basis. | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 11:03 - Aug 13 with 5190 views | davblue |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:58 - Aug 13 by Herbivore |
Hurst gutted a capable squad and replaced it with players who weren't good enough. That was hugely damaging. For me he shades Lambert as our worst manager under ME on that basis. |
Nearly 2 years of not having a playing style is even worse and flitting from style to style is an even bigger failure, it's gross incompetence. [Post edited 13 Aug 2020 11:12]
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 11:04 - Aug 13 with 5176 views | Bluefish |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:58 - Aug 13 by Herbivore |
Hurst gutted a capable squad and replaced it with players who weren't good enough. That was hugely damaging. For me he shades Lambert as our worst manager under ME on that basis. |
Hurst gutting the squad is true but that doesn't excuse Shanbert for the catalogue of failures. If he is taking the job on then it is his role to get a tune and out of whatever we have or find a way to replace them. He has been backed, he was given a fortune in the 1st Jan window albeit getting players in might have been tricky but there is mo excuse for the money wasted. Considering we were league 1 he was then back last season because the squad was retained and the most expensive in the league plus additions. If he wasn't happy he could have moved some on. There are no positives to the Shambert reign and he is the 2nd longest serving manager under ME now I believe? He has failed consistently at everything | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 11:05 - Aug 13 with 5165 views | Bluefish |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 11:03 - Aug 13 by davblue |
Nearly 2 years of not having a playing style is even worse and flitting from style to style is an even bigger failure, it's gross incompetence. [Post edited 13 Aug 2020 11:12]
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This!
His job is to make a tune from the squad, maybe excuses a champ level when bottom but zero excuses in l1 with the squad and backing we had | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 11:08 - Aug 13 with 5140 views | Herbivore |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 11:04 - Aug 13 by Bluefish |
Hurst gutting the squad is true but that doesn't excuse Shanbert for the catalogue of failures. If he is taking the job on then it is his role to get a tune and out of whatever we have or find a way to replace them. He has been backed, he was given a fortune in the 1st Jan window albeit getting players in might have been tricky but there is mo excuse for the money wasted. Considering we were league 1 he was then back last season because the squad was retained and the most expensive in the league plus additions. If he wasn't happy he could have moved some on. There are no positives to the Shambert reign and he is the 2nd longest serving manager under ME now I believe? He has failed consistently at everything |
I don't disagree, Lambert has been awful. Saying that he is the second worst manager ME has appointed is hardly praise when you consider that this includes the likes of Keane and Jewell. However, I think someone who destroys a squad and leaves a huge mess edges the useless numpty that comes in and completely fails to address the mess and just smears it around endlessly. That's why I also tend to judge Keane more harshly than Jewell. I see parallels with Hurst and Lambert. | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 11:09 - Aug 13 with 5145 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:38 - Aug 13 by itfcjoe |
Whilst I am in the camp of thinking squad is basically good enough, when the manager comes out and says this:
“But we certainly need people to improve us, we have to try and get somebody in to improve us because last year simply wasn’t good enough.
“Ideally you’d love to get them in now, ideally. But it’s not an ideal world we’re in at the minute, we’re in strange times.”
Then it's clear that the manager won't be happy without any signings and then that will feed to the players and the negativity doesn't help anyone, as per last season when lambert just dragged us down with so little enthusiasm |
I think the squad is still broadly good enough although there are a couple of gaps to be filled - left back and a winger/creator being the obvious ones for me. The latter obviously isn’t easy to find without some investment though, and whilst I think the likes of El Miz should get a lot more opportunities this year it’s a big ask for them to deliver week in, week out
The big problem for me though is that if Lambert is staying (which he clearly is) then clearly we need some new faces in the squad to freshen things up. Otherwise we’re just going into the season with the same (well actually worse) squad and manager as last year and expecting a different result |  |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 11:10 - Aug 13 with 5130 views | itfcjoe |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 11:04 - Aug 13 by Bluefish |
Hurst gutting the squad is true but that doesn't excuse Shanbert for the catalogue of failures. If he is taking the job on then it is his role to get a tune and out of whatever we have or find a way to replace them. He has been backed, he was given a fortune in the 1st Jan window albeit getting players in might have been tricky but there is mo excuse for the money wasted. Considering we were league 1 he was then back last season because the squad was retained and the most expensive in the league plus additions. If he wasn't happy he could have moved some on. There are no positives to the Shambert reign and he is the 2nd longest serving manager under ME now I believe? He has failed consistently at everything |
There's barely a player in the squad who hasn't been signed by Lambert, or had their contract extended under his reign.
24 players given squad numbers
Tomas Holy - Signed
Luke Chambers - New 2 year deal
James Wilson - Signed
Luke Woolfenden - New 4 year contract
Gwion Edwards - Option taken up on deal
Cole Skuse - Signed 2 new contracts under PL
Kayden Jackson - No
James Norwood - Signed
Jon Nolan - Option taken up on new deal
Janoi Donacien - No (techincally signed under Lambert but deal already agreed)
Harry Wright - New 2 year deal
Jack Lankester - New contract
Teddy Bishop - New 2 year deal
Tristan Nydam - No
Alan Judge - Signed, and given new contract
Freddie Sears - Given new contract
Flynn Downes - Given new contract
Arsitote Nsiala - No
Andre Dozzell - Option taken up
Kane Vincent-Young - Signed
Idris El Mizouni - New contract
Myles Kenlock - New 3(!) year deal
Armando Dobra - New deal signed in summer
Emyr Huws - No
So bar Jackson, Donacien, Nydam, Nsiala and Huws they are all *his* players, and of those we are trying to get Jackson to sign a new deal so it's basically 20 of the 24 players given a squad number that are *his* guys | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 11:15 - Aug 13 with 5072 views | TractorWood |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:46 - Aug 13 by itfcjoe |
I just don't see anything else bar him being sacked a few weeks into the season after a poor start, we are just wasting time currently - even putting aside his record from last season it's just not right down there |
Agree, Joe but think Evans would wait until at least October. |  |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 11:18 - Aug 13 with 5046 views | hype313 |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 11:15 - Aug 13 by TractorWood |
Agree, Joe but think Evans would wait until at least October. |
Depends on the caveats really, sounds like he could have got rid recently as he didn't get us into the play offs, potentially that clause might still be the case for next season, but we would have to wait a while before things were mathematically clear we wouldn't be in the running. | |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 11:22 - Aug 13 with 5020 views | Fixed_It |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:43 - Aug 13 by Herbivore |
His negativity and blame shifting are quite frustrating. I still can't get over the way threw Hurst's signings under the bus last season under some gentle questioning about his record here. It was unbelievable. |
'His negativity'!?
Just read this thread and tell me about negativity! |  |
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| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 11:24 - Aug 13 with 4993 views | tractorboy1978 |
| I'm not sure I get the fixation with signing new players on 10:46 - Aug 13 by itfcjoe |
I just don't see anything else bar him being sacked a few weeks into the season after a poor start, we are just wasting time currently - even putting aside his record from last season it's just not right down there |
He's got so little credit in the bank. Whilst not everyone (I think most are) is vocally Lambert out, I don't think anyone would argue him harshly treated if he got the boot.
We are going into the season with a manager that realistically has half a dozen games before coming under serious pressure from fans if it isn't going right. Ridiculous. |  | | |
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