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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government 15:35 - May 17 with 6436 viewsStokieBlue

This is an utterly ridiculous stance:

"Don't travel to amber countries even though it's legal".

If they don't want people to travel to them then move them all onto red or not allowed at all. It's ridiculous, the mixed messages are just pathetic and they are pushing the decision making onto the public rather than make the difficult decisions themselves.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/17/dont-travel-to-amber-list-count

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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 15:37 - May 17 with 3045 viewstractordownsouth

That's the whole point. Get the goodwill from the public for opening up, then blame the public if cases go up again.

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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 15:39 - May 17 with 3028 viewsElephantintheRoom

ERm isnt it more a case of don't go somewhere on holiday because wanting to vomit in the streets and get two weeks of sunshine is not a sensible reason to maybe take a highly contagious virus around europe and/or the world?

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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 15:47 - May 17 with 2980 viewsHARRY10

More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 15:37 - May 17 by tractordownsouth

That's the whole point. Get the goodwill from the public for opening up, then blame the public if cases go up again.


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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 15:51 - May 17 with 2958 viewsBlueBadger

Never mind the government it should be Keir Starmer saying this.

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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 15:53 - May 17 with 2942 viewsGaryCooper

More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 15:37 - May 17 by tractordownsouth

That's the whole point. Get the goodwill from the public for opening up, then blame the public if cases go up again.


We should blame the public, the imbecile public who refuse vaccination.
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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 15:57 - May 17 with 2904 viewstractordownsouth

More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 15:53 - May 17 by GaryCooper

We should blame the public, the imbecile public who refuse vaccination.


Anti-vaxxers are selfish idiots, yes. Thankfully, we have comparatively few of them here.

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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 15:57 - May 17 with 2909 viewsHerbivore

They spent the whole of the last year doing this as well. Tell the public they can do stuff but encourage them not to. That way when things go wrong it's because of individuals being irresponsible rather than being the daily of the government.

If they are that worried about new variants and another potential spike then just freeze all international travel until the population is vaccinated and we know more about the vaccination's efficacy against some of the variants of concern. It's not difficult.
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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:01 - May 17 with 2870 viewsStokieBlue

More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 15:57 - May 17 by Herbivore

They spent the whole of the last year doing this as well. Tell the public they can do stuff but encourage them not to. That way when things go wrong it's because of individuals being irresponsible rather than being the daily of the government.

If they are that worried about new variants and another potential spike then just freeze all international travel until the population is vaccinated and we know more about the vaccination's efficacy against some of the variants of concern. It's not difficult.
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Exactly.

This form of messaging is just cowardly. Do what you were elected to do and make the decisions, don't hedge your bets so you can try and dodge the repercussions later.

It's also not helped by the airline and travel industry making statements on every platform available that the governments existing green list is far too strict and it should basically contain all the amber countries at a minimum.

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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:06 - May 17 with 2836 viewstractordownsouth

More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:01 - May 17 by StokieBlue

Exactly.

This form of messaging is just cowardly. Do what you were elected to do and make the decisions, don't hedge your bets so you can try and dodge the repercussions later.

It's also not helped by the airline and travel industry making statements on every platform available that the governments existing green list is far too strict and it should basically contain all the amber countries at a minimum.

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Perhaps it would make financial sense to close the borders to the amber countries, because it would allow us to ease restrictions quicker and get the economy going, which could offset the financial loss of airline/tourism industries and give us the funds to furlough staff.

Maybe that's wide of the mark - I don't really have much knowledge of airlines in particular, except for this bloke I went to college with, whose' Instagram story is full of rants about how the government should be helping the industry and that actually it's safe for us to travel.

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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:10 - May 17 with 2800 viewsHARRY10

More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 15:57 - May 17 by Herbivore

They spent the whole of the last year doing this as well. Tell the public they can do stuff but encourage them not to. That way when things go wrong it's because of individuals being irresponsible rather than being the daily of the government.

If they are that worried about new variants and another potential spike then just freeze all international travel until the population is vaccinated and we know more about the vaccination's efficacy against some of the variants of concern. It's not difficult.
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"a potential spike"

is that the same as a potential rise, or increase ?
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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:16 - May 17 with 2740 viewsBeckets

"But Starmer...."
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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:16 - May 17 with 2742 viewsSteve_M

"You can go to the pub, but don't go to the pub" etc, etc.

Pathetic, short-termist and likely to work just as well as it did last time.

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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:16 - May 17 with 2738 viewsGaryCooper

More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 15:57 - May 17 by tractordownsouth

Anti-vaxxers are selfish idiots, yes. Thankfully, we have comparatively few of them here.


We do not have 'relatively few' in the areas with spikes though, 48% take up is shocking.
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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:36 - May 17 with 2568 viewsbluelagos

Was going to post the exact same when I saw it, but figured I didn't want to get into another difference of opinion with those who think the holidaying public are the problem here.

Utterly absurd messaging yet again. Just like the "Please don't go to the pub" messaging when they left the pubs open. The messaging is the problem here and people pointing the finger at holiday makers are so missing the point imho.

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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:40 - May 17 with 2501 viewsnoggin

More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 15:51 - May 17 by BlueBadger

Never mind the government it should be Keir Starmer saying this.

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Corbyn though

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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:44 - May 17 with 2441 viewsSpruceMoose

As you say, absolutely ridiculous. We already know the people will jump at the chance to travel internationally during a pandemic (outsourcing their personal responsibility in the process) so this kind of vague announcement is as good as a nod and a wink to do so.

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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:44 - May 17 with 2439 viewsNeedhamChris

And there goes a potentially interesting discussion

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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:48 - May 17 with 2377 viewsSpruceMoose

More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:44 - May 17 by NeedhamChris

And there goes a potentially interesting discussion


The interesting bit is still here. The posts crying about Tory voters having a bad reputation and taking flak for excusing all manner corruption and ineptitude within their party were the bits that got pulled.

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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:49 - May 17 with 2363 viewsStokieBlue

More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:44 - May 17 by NeedhamChris

And there goes a potentially interesting discussion


You're going to have to be less opaque than that.

What potentially interesting discussion has been curtailed?

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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:50 - May 17 with 2358 viewsGavTWTD

I would have liked the government to have run a scheme along the lines of "eat out to help out" for people to holiday in the UK. Genuinely surprised they haven't done that. Here's hoping for a good summer.

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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:53 - May 17 with 2326 viewsNeedhamChris

More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:49 - May 17 by StokieBlue

You're going to have to be less opaque than that.

What potentially interesting discussion has been curtailed?

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How demonising a large chunk of the electorate is in anyway helpful to achieving aims, and why that's a helpful approach to take to any post that criticises the government.

It probably wasn't the intention of this thread anyway in hindsight. But currently feels like;

post criticising government --> blame the idiots that put them there

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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:50 - May 17 by GavTWTD

I would have liked the government to have run a scheme along the lines of "eat out to help out" for people to holiday in the UK. Genuinely surprised they haven't done that. Here's hoping for a good summer.


I think they are trying to do that via the back door, but failing spectacularly.

I can't see a way forward with travel without Vaccine Passports, and the problem is the 18-30 can't go even if they want a jab and probably won't get their 1st until mid June.

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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:56 - May 17 with 2287 viewsSpruceMoose

More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:53 - May 17 by NeedhamChris

How demonising a large chunk of the electorate is in anyway helpful to achieving aims, and why that's a helpful approach to take to any post that criticises the government.

It probably wasn't the intention of this thread anyway in hindsight. But currently feels like;

post criticising government --> blame the idiots that put them there


"post criticising government --> blame the idiots that put them there"

That is generally how it works, unless the people who put them there are visibly upset at what their elected officials are doing and intend to do something about it other than just vote for them again (something which we see very little of on here).

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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:57 - May 17 with 2273 viewsStokieBlue

More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:53 - May 17 by NeedhamChris

How demonising a large chunk of the electorate is in anyway helpful to achieving aims, and why that's a helpful approach to take to any post that criticises the government.

It probably wasn't the intention of this thread anyway in hindsight. But currently feels like;

post criticising government --> blame the idiots that put them there


I've not done that anywhere, I've blamed the government entirely as it's their fault in this instance.

However it seems I may have missed a number of posts which have been consumed by the ether.

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More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 17:00 - May 17 with 2245 viewsNeedhamChris

More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:57 - May 17 by StokieBlue

I've not done that anywhere, I've blamed the government entirely as it's their fault in this instance.

However it seems I may have missed a number of posts which have been consumed by the ether.

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Oh I completely agree, the OP and a couple of other comments here are spot on in that regard.

It's the missing posts I was referring to rather than yours, so wasn't accusing you of that.

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