| This will confuse some of you! on 12:37 - Nov 18 with 2413 views | footers |
Ah, Perry Ng. If only we'd signed him things could have been so much different. |  |
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| This will confuse some of you! on 12:40 - Nov 18 with 2398 views | BlueBadger |
It'll certainly confuse people who don't read beyond headlines.
"When Mick and Terry came in they did a great job getting us all together and believing in each other," Ng added.
"But then I think after that there was no real change or way of playing or identity to us which I think was a bit of a problem in the end.
"We didn't really have a plan B. It was all direct, fight for every ball, there was no tactical plan. I think teams worked that out and once they could fight against us they would get on top.
"Without the ball it was ok we were getting into shape trying to press teams. But once we got the ball we didn't really know where everyone was going to be, or what to do.
"I think teams worked us out - it wasn't a nice place to be in the end." |  |
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| This will confuse some of you! on 12:44 - Nov 18 with 2351 views | Illinoisblue |
I think Mick should write a book about his time in football as a manager. Would be a genuinely interesting read. |  |
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| This will confuse some of you! on 12:48 - Nov 18 with 2314 views | BasingstokeBlue |
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| This will confuse some of you! on 12:50 - Nov 18 with 2295 views | Wacko |
Exactly what so many of us have been saying. A great motivator, but the days of just being able to motivate a team to win, without any technical nous, are long gone |  |
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| This will confuse some of you! on 12:54 - Nov 18 with 2234 views | Fixed_It |
| This will confuse some of you! on 12:40 - Nov 18 by BlueBadger |
It'll certainly confuse people who don't read beyond headlines.
"When Mick and Terry came in they did a great job getting us all together and believing in each other," Ng added.
"But then I think after that there was no real change or way of playing or identity to us which I think was a bit of a problem in the end.
"We didn't really have a plan B. It was all direct, fight for every ball, there was no tactical plan. I think teams worked that out and once they could fight against us they would get on top.
"Without the ball it was ok we were getting into shape trying to press teams. But once we got the ball we didn't really know where everyone was going to be, or what to do.
"I think teams worked us out - it wasn't a nice place to be in the end." |
Most of us can read, and comprehend. |  |
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| This will confuse some of you! on 13:08 - Nov 18 with 2173 views | JakeITFC |
Cardiff were lucky to condense the McCarthy experience into a much shorter timespan. |  | | |
| This will confuse some of you! on 13:14 - Nov 18 with 2134 views | clive_baker |
| This will confuse some of you! on 13:08 - Nov 18 by JakeITFC |
Cardiff were lucky to condense the McCarthy experience into a much shorter timespan. |
Or unlucky, you might argue, that they didn't get the initial 4 years of taking thier club off its arse, giving them a team to be proud of and largely overachieving, before the final 1 year where it ran out of steam and came to a natural end, yet still leaving the club well safe of relegation from a league they can now only long for a promotion back to. |  |
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| This will confuse some of you! on 13:14 - Nov 18 with 2128 views | Vaughan8 |
| This will confuse some of you! on 13:08 - Nov 18 by JakeITFC |
Cardiff were lucky to condense the McCarthy experience into a much shorter timespan. |
And I don't think his departure will have as big as effect as it did on his previous few clubs, when he created an "us vs the fans" attitude.
Mick did well for us at the start, but he definitely stayed too long. | | | |
| Errrrr.... no it won't on 13:21 - Nov 18 with 2082 views | unstableblue |
| This will confuse some of you! on 12:40 - Nov 18 by BlueBadger |
It'll certainly confuse people who don't read beyond headlines.
"When Mick and Terry came in they did a great job getting us all together and believing in each other," Ng added.
"But then I think after that there was no real change or way of playing or identity to us which I think was a bit of a problem in the end.
"We didn't really have a plan B. It was all direct, fight for every ball, there was no tactical plan. I think teams worked that out and once they could fight against us they would get on top.
"Without the ball it was ok we were getting into shape trying to press teams. But once we got the ball we didn't really know where everyone was going to be, or what to do.
"I think teams worked us out - it wasn't a nice place to be in the end." |
Why would it confuse people?? Its pretty much exactly how many of described Mick's time here as, isn't it? Good to stabilise us and give a good season, style and tactical approach completely unsustainable, should have been an interim, also entertainment and fans leaving the building.
It's the cult members who posted a few months back that they wished Mick would return.
As I've said my family are Cardiff, and it is a fact that even when they were flying 20% of the Cardiff fan base were questioning the style already.
Let's see this statement as what it is, and finally put the Mick silliness to bed. Give in to the truth Blue Badger. |  |
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| This will confuse some of you! on 13:41 - Nov 18 with 2010 views | JakeITFC |
| This will confuse some of you! on 13:14 - Nov 18 by clive_baker |
Or unlucky, you might argue, that they didn't get the initial 4 years of taking thier club off its arse, giving them a team to be proud of and largely overachieving, before the final 1 year where it ran out of steam and came to a natural end, yet still leaving the club well safe of relegation from a league they can now only long for a promotion back to. |
Think your 4 year good times, 1 year OK times ratio is wrong, but I'm not anti-McCarthy by any stretch. His style is bearable for a period when the results are good, but I think there are too many negatives to justify it when they aren't - Cardiff would have suffered from that lack of goodwill towards him if they didn't act when they did. | | | |
| This will confuse some of you! on 14:35 - Nov 18 with 1842 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This will confuse some of you! on 12:40 - Nov 18 by BlueBadger |
It'll certainly confuse people who don't read beyond headlines.
"When Mick and Terry came in they did a great job getting us all together and believing in each other," Ng added.
"But then I think after that there was no real change or way of playing or identity to us which I think was a bit of a problem in the end.
"We didn't really have a plan B. It was all direct, fight for every ball, there was no tactical plan. I think teams worked that out and once they could fight against us they would get on top.
"Without the ball it was ok we were getting into shape trying to press teams. But once we got the ball we didn't really know where everyone was going to be, or what to do.
"I think teams worked us out - it wasn't a nice place to be in the end." |
Not sure your repeating it really helps the case for your hero. |  |
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| This will confuse some of you! on 14:46 - Nov 18 with 1807 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| This will confuse some of you! on 13:14 - Nov 18 by Vaughan8 |
And I don't think his departure will have as big as effect as it did on his previous few clubs, when he created an "us vs the fans" attitude.
Mick did well for us at the start, but he definitely stayed too long. |
Agreed. |  |
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| This will confuse some of you! on 14:52 - Nov 18 with 1784 views | Jon_456 |
| This will confuse some of you! on 13:41 - Nov 18 by JakeITFC |
Think your 4 year good times, 1 year OK times ratio is wrong, but I'm not anti-McCarthy by any stretch. His style is bearable for a period when the results are good, but I think there are too many negatives to justify it when they aren't - Cardiff would have suffered from that lack of goodwill towards him if they didn't act when they did. |
On the flip side, id hate to see how far we would have dropped under Evans had Mick left after a year. Probably be League 2 by now. | | | |
| Errrrr.... no it won't on 14:55 - Nov 18 with 1768 views | Herbivore |
| Errrrr.... no it won't on 13:21 - Nov 18 by unstableblue |
Why would it confuse people?? Its pretty much exactly how many of described Mick's time here as, isn't it? Good to stabilise us and give a good season, style and tactical approach completely unsustainable, should have been an interim, also entertainment and fans leaving the building.
It's the cult members who posted a few months back that they wished Mick would return.
As I've said my family are Cardiff, and it is a fact that even when they were flying 20% of the Cardiff fan base were questioning the style already.
Let's see this statement as what it is, and finally put the Mick silliness to bed. Give in to the truth Blue Badger. |
Most of the Mick threads on here come from you and your ilk. You all seem more obsessed with Mick than this imaginary 'cult' that you mention. He left nearly 4 years ago now, maybe it's time to move on. |  |
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| This will confuse some of you! on 14:56 - Nov 18 with 1765 views | JakeITFC |
| This will confuse some of you! on 14:52 - Nov 18 by Jon_456 |
On the flip side, id hate to see how far we would have dropped under Evans had Mick left after a year. Probably be League 2 by now. |
Absolutely no doubt that he did a very good job for us - as mentioned above, he turned a sinking ship into a functional Championship outfit, gave us probably our only relatively successful season since the Royle era and was a wizard in the transfer market.
None of that can ignore the fact that by the end of his reign Portman Road was a miserable place to be. That was only partly him - Evans has to take a lot of the blame (some of our supporters too), but it really is a key part of the story that mustn't be forgotten. | | | |
| This will confuse some of you! on 15:00 - Nov 18 with 1737 views | Herbivore |
| This will confuse some of you! on 14:56 - Nov 18 by JakeITFC |
Absolutely no doubt that he did a very good job for us - as mentioned above, he turned a sinking ship into a functional Championship outfit, gave us probably our only relatively successful season since the Royle era and was a wizard in the transfer market.
None of that can ignore the fact that by the end of his reign Portman Road was a miserable place to be. That was only partly him - Evans has to take a lot of the blame (some of our supporters too), but it really is a key part of the story that mustn't be forgotten. |
This is a fair summary. | |
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| This will confuse some of you! on 15:10 - Nov 18 with 1702 views | Jon_456 |
| This will confuse some of you! on 14:56 - Nov 18 by JakeITFC |
Absolutely no doubt that he did a very good job for us - as mentioned above, he turned a sinking ship into a functional Championship outfit, gave us probably our only relatively successful season since the Royle era and was a wizard in the transfer market.
None of that can ignore the fact that by the end of his reign Portman Road was a miserable place to be. That was only partly him - Evans has to take a lot of the blame (some of our supporters too), but it really is a key part of the story that mustn't be forgotten. |
Totally agree.
It seems today you can only be pro Mick or anti Mick and nothing in between. When in reality he did a fantastic job but his time was up. | | | |
| This will confuse some of you! on 15:14 - Nov 18 with 1683 views | Herbivore |
| This will confuse some of you! on 15:10 - Nov 18 by Jon_456 |
Totally agree.
It seems today you can only be pro Mick or anti Mick and nothing in between. When in reality he did a fantastic job but his time was up. |
To be honest I think most agree with that summary. There's a few rabid types who still blame Mick for all of our ills and who refuse to acknowledge the good he did here, likewise there are a couple who felt he never should have left and that would have him back in a heartbeat. The rest just get caught up arguing with the loons. | |
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| This will confuse some of you! on 15:15 - Nov 18 with 1675 views | clive_baker |
| This will confuse some of you! on 13:41 - Nov 18 by JakeITFC |
Think your 4 year good times, 1 year OK times ratio is wrong, but I'm not anti-McCarthy by any stretch. His style is bearable for a period when the results are good, but I think there are too many negatives to justify it when they aren't - Cardiff would have suffered from that lack of goodwill towards him if they didn't act when they did. |
First season we were in the relagation zone when he took over and couldn't beat an egg under Paul Jewel. To drag us out of that scrap and up to mid table was mammouth. Playoff form from the day he joined. Next season 9th. Made some very shrewd investments on a shoestring. Next season playoffs, excellent season. Next season 7th, very good season.
I think his final 2 years were a case of getting progressively less palatable. In his defence I would say that wasn't helped by the investment, or lack of, from the owner. We were shopping in the bargain basement by this point, although I agree entirely that the style was pragmatic at best. It was painful to watch, and it was 100% right for Mick to move on. Prior to that I don't prescribe to the football always being dire though, and just yielding results. It was a more direct approach for sure, but I saw much more entertaining games under MM with Bart, Berra, McGoldrick, Murphy, Skuse etc when they were in their primes than I have since (arguably until this season, but the jury is still out).
I guess if you're MM though you're saying hang on a second, I took over when they were awful and looking in danger of going down (no wins in 12 was it?), and left them safely in the league, on a shoestring, with some great times along the way. It's a bit odd that our best manager in over a decade, arguably as far back as Royle, gets the most passionate stick on here. Yet Hurst and Lambert barely get so much as a mention. | |
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| This will confuse some of you! on 15:16 - Nov 18 with 1673 views | Jon_456 |
| This will confuse some of you! on 15:14 - Nov 18 by Herbivore |
To be honest I think most agree with that summary. There's a few rabid types who still blame Mick for all of our ills and who refuse to acknowledge the good he did here, likewise there are a couple who felt he never should have left and that would have him back in a heartbeat. The rest just get caught up arguing with the loons. |
Yeah in fairness it probably is just the 2 or 3 loons on here that bang on about it, make it seem that way. | | | |
| This will confuse some of you! on 15:17 - Nov 18 with 1668 views | clive_baker |
| This will confuse some of you! on 14:56 - Nov 18 by JakeITFC |
Absolutely no doubt that he did a very good job for us - as mentioned above, he turned a sinking ship into a functional Championship outfit, gave us probably our only relatively successful season since the Royle era and was a wizard in the transfer market.
None of that can ignore the fact that by the end of his reign Portman Road was a miserable place to be. That was only partly him - Evans has to take a lot of the blame (some of our supporters too), but it really is a key part of the story that mustn't be forgotten. |
Agreed. | |
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| This will confuse some of you! on 15:30 - Nov 18 with 1614 views | Herbivore |
| This will confuse some of you! on 15:15 - Nov 18 by clive_baker |
First season we were in the relagation zone when he took over and couldn't beat an egg under Paul Jewel. To drag us out of that scrap and up to mid table was mammouth. Playoff form from the day he joined. Next season 9th. Made some very shrewd investments on a shoestring. Next season playoffs, excellent season. Next season 7th, very good season.
I think his final 2 years were a case of getting progressively less palatable. In his defence I would say that wasn't helped by the investment, or lack of, from the owner. We were shopping in the bargain basement by this point, although I agree entirely that the style was pragmatic at best. It was painful to watch, and it was 100% right for Mick to move on. Prior to that I don't prescribe to the football always being dire though, and just yielding results. It was a more direct approach for sure, but I saw much more entertaining games under MM with Bart, Berra, McGoldrick, Murphy, Skuse etc when they were in their primes than I have since (arguably until this season, but the jury is still out).
I guess if you're MM though you're saying hang on a second, I took over when they were awful and looking in danger of going down (no wins in 12 was it?), and left them safely in the league, on a shoestring, with some great times along the way. It's a bit odd that our best manager in over a decade, arguably as far back as Royle, gets the most passionate stick on here. Yet Hurst and Lambert barely get so much as a mention. |
The first half of 2017/18 was actually alright to be fair. We started off with 4 straight wins including an epic 4-3 at Millwall, then trounced Sunderland 5-2 and not all that long after beat Forest 4-2, the 2-2 draw with Wednesday was also a good performance despite us frustratingly conceding in the 6th minute of stoppage time. That's off the top of my head, I think there were some other decent results and performances in the first half of that season. But coming off the back of a really, really turgid 2016/17 there wasn't a lot of goodwill in the bank anymore and from Boxing Day onwards we were terrible - I seem to recall us going about 10 hours without a goal at one pij t - and that's when things really turned toxic. That toxic ending really soured things and cast a shadow over the whole of that season, when you look at some of the sides around us in the table that year you'd have to say it wasn't a bad season it you can bracket off the feelings towards Mick. | |
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| This will confuse some of you! on 15:33 - Nov 18 with 1568 views | wkj |
| This will confuse some of you! on 15:30 - Nov 18 by Herbivore |
The first half of 2017/18 was actually alright to be fair. We started off with 4 straight wins including an epic 4-3 at Millwall, then trounced Sunderland 5-2 and not all that long after beat Forest 4-2, the 2-2 draw with Wednesday was also a good performance despite us frustratingly conceding in the 6th minute of stoppage time. That's off the top of my head, I think there were some other decent results and performances in the first half of that season. But coming off the back of a really, really turgid 2016/17 there wasn't a lot of goodwill in the bank anymore and from Boxing Day onwards we were terrible - I seem to recall us going about 10 hours without a goal at one pij t - and that's when things really turned toxic. That toxic ending really soured things and cast a shadow over the whole of that season, when you look at some of the sides around us in the table that year you'd have to say it wasn't a bad season it you can bracket off the feelings towards Mick. |
I think the moment when the tides turned on MM and it became toxic was the Lincoln FA Cup game. The first draw stung, the replay was downright traumatic. |  |
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| This will confuse some of you! on 15:36 - Nov 18 with 1533 views | Oldboy |
22,752 is 16 decided by 1422 confused me. |  | | |
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