| Walton appreciation thread 18:43 - Nov 17 with 2630 views | Keaneish |
I’d be doing everything I could to make Walton my number one target this January if I were Cook; him and Bonne, of course. Prevented Wycombe from getting back in it with a fantastic save, pulled off a world class save against Oxford which doesn’t seem to have received much praise, penalty save and another great stop last night to keep us in the FA Cup…
Poor performance against Bolton aside, he’s been outstanding recently. His distribution with throws and kicks is excellent as is his ability to claim crosses. He’s a presence and commands his box well.
Where does he rate for you amongst our keepers in the last ten years (arbitrary time span)? |  |
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| Walton appreciation thread on 18:49 - Nov 17 with 2167 views | Dubtractor |
As you say, Bolton aside (where he wasn't helped by what was in front of him), he has been excellent.
Probably too small a sample size to be too firm in a verdict, but definitely our best since Bart. I was delighted when we signed him, as he was excellent for Wigan, and played a full season for Blackburn last season, so was always likely to be a good keeper at this level.
I feel a bit for Hladky, but the difference between him and Walton is massive so far. [Post edited 17 Nov 2021 18:51]
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| Walton appreciation thread on 18:56 - Nov 17 with 2148 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
Completely agree Keanish. He is the best keeper for a long time, and although early days, I would include Bart in that. The Bolton game was defensive chaos - no keeper in the world could have stopped most of those goals, but Walton has shown in all his displays since that he commands his area, can stop shots, save penalties, distributes really well - he is easily a good championship level keeper, and we need to get him signed up pronto. |  |
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| Walton appreciation thread on 20:01 - Nov 17 with 2017 views | Keaneish |
| Walton appreciation thread on 18:49 - Nov 17 by Dubtractor |
As you say, Bolton aside (where he wasn't helped by what was in front of him), he has been excellent.
Probably too small a sample size to be too firm in a verdict, but definitely our best since Bart. I was delighted when we signed him, as he was excellent for Wigan, and played a full season for Blackburn last season, so was always likely to be a good keeper at this level.
I feel a bit for Hladky, but the difference between him and Walton is massive so far. [Post edited 17 Nov 2021 18:51]
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I’d have thought losing his place might give Hladky the wake-up call he needs but too many errors again in the Col U game. Walton far superior and I think Hladky has sealed his place on the bench this season despite being given the shirt to lose. | |
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| Walton appreciation thread on 21:08 - Nov 17 with 1907 views | tractordownsouth |
From what I remember, if I had to rank what we've had in the last decade (those who played 10 games or more) it'd be something like this. Based off performances for Town obviously, else McCarthy would be at the top.
Bart
Henderson
Walton
Stockdale
Gerken
Lee-Barrett
Loach
Holy
Cornell
McCarthy
Hladky
Norris |  |
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| Walton appreciation thread on 21:10 - Nov 17 with 1904 views | NickITFC |
Couldn't agree more. Have been saying just this in the last couple of days. I would even rather we signed him permanently over Bonne. I would love both ideally... |  | | |
| Walton appreciation thread on 21:12 - Nov 17 with 1902 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Yes to Walton but there is a concern at the difference in quality to the second choice. We need to shift Holy and Hladky and get a better second choice in. That or improve one of Holy or Hladky dramatically. |  |
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| Walton appreciation thread on 21:13 - Nov 17 with 1899 views | tractordownsouth |
| Walton appreciation thread on 21:12 - Nov 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Yes to Walton but there is a concern at the difference in quality to the second choice. We need to shift Holy and Hladky and get a better second choice in. That or improve one of Holy or Hladky dramatically. |
There's a big drop off between Walton and the other two, but they're fine as sub keepers at this level. They could both be first choice for a bottom half club. | |
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| Walton appreciation thread on 21:19 - Nov 17 with 1882 views | Swansea_Blue |
I did my MSc project on the taxonomy on the Red Crag beds at Walton on the Naze. It’s not a bad place, it was just fine really. Not sure it deserves its own thread though. |  |
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| Walton appreciation thread on 21:33 - Nov 17 with 1840 views | Keaneish |
| Walton appreciation thread on 21:12 - Nov 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Yes to Walton but there is a concern at the difference in quality to the second choice. We need to shift Holy and Hladky and get a better second choice in. That or improve one of Holy or Hladky dramatically. |
I haven’t seen a keeper improve since Webster left although Keeley appears to be an upgrade on Jimmy Walker if reputation is anything to go by. | |
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| Walton appreciation thread on 21:34 - Nov 17 with 1838 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Walton appreciation thread on 21:13 - Nov 17 by tractordownsouth |
There's a big drop off between Walton and the other two, but they're fine as sub keepers at this level. They could both be first choice for a bottom half club. |
Fine as long as Walton does not miss more than an odd game here or there. If he were to miss a run of matches, relying on our current back-ups would potentially destroy the whole season. We don't want to be a bottom half club!
We really need an Arron Lee- Barratt type or similar. Someone who is a limited keeper but can raise their game if called on. | |
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| Walton appreciation thread on 21:34 - Nov 17 with 1838 views | Keaneish |
| Walton appreciation thread on 21:08 - Nov 17 by tractordownsouth |
From what I remember, if I had to rank what we've had in the last decade (those who played 10 games or more) it'd be something like this. Based off performances for Town obviously, else McCarthy would be at the top.
Bart
Henderson
Walton
Stockdale
Gerken
Lee-Barrett
Loach
Holy
Cornell
McCarthy
Hladky
Norris |
Look at that drop in quality from 4 down! | |
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| Walton appreciation thread on 21:43 - Nov 17 with 1822 views | tractordownsouth |
| Walton appreciation thread on 21:34 - Nov 17 by Keaneish |
Look at that drop in quality from 4 down! |
Yeah, we were lucky to have Bart so long. We've had some shockers, but I think Will Norris is the worst. | |
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| Walton appreciation thread on 22:35 - Nov 17 with 1709 views | Vic |
| Walton appreciation thread on 21:12 - Nov 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Yes to Walton but there is a concern at the difference in quality to the second choice. We need to shift Holy and Hladky and get a better second choice in. That or improve one of Holy or Hladky dramatically. |
I reckon Hladders will come good. |  |
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| Walton appreciation thread on 22:45 - Nov 17 with 1677 views | Chrisd |
Hopefully, some will now use the Walton example as a reason not to dismiss players after their first game by needlessly throwing them on the scrapheap. By logic, a goalkeeper of his experience and pedigree isn’t going to be a poor keeper. Yes, the Bolton display wasn’t great, but he hadn’t played for months and he needed games to get rid of the cobwebs. I’m really pleased to see him flourishing, there’s no doubt he has made a huge difference to our defensive unit. We look so much more secure with him as our No.1, taking crosses, making saves at crucial times and instilling confidence in our back four. |  |
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| Walton appreciation thread on 23:30 - Nov 17 with 1622 views | Sharkey |
| Walton appreciation thread on 21:13 - Nov 17 by tractordownsouth |
There's a big drop off between Walton and the other two, but they're fine as sub keepers at this level. They could both be first choice for a bottom half club. |
Hladky was first choice for a bottom half club. |  | | |
| Walton appreciation thread on 10:09 - Nov 18 with 1452 views | StokieBlue |
| Walton appreciation thread on 21:12 - Nov 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Yes to Walton but there is a concern at the difference in quality to the second choice. We need to shift Holy and Hladky and get a better second choice in. That or improve one of Holy or Hladky dramatically. |
I was listening to the D3D4 podcast the other day and they said it was "unexplainable" how bad Hladky was for town. They said it was against all his previous stats and that nobody could have foreseen it.
They said Walton was worth between 0.5 and 1 goal a game even if he played averagely according to the stats.
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| Walton appreciation thread on 10:12 - Nov 18 with 1441 views | PhilTWTD |
| Walton appreciation thread on 10:09 - Nov 18 by StokieBlue |
I was listening to the D3D4 podcast the other day and they said it was "unexplainable" how bad Hladky was for town. They said it was against all his previous stats and that nobody could have foreseen it.
They said Walton was worth between 0.5 and 1 goal a game even if he played averagely according to the stats.
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Everyone I've spoken to who saw Hladky last season has said he was exceptional for Salford, the best keeper in the division etc. Seems widespread surprise that he has had such a poor time of it since he moved here.
While I'm sure there's something in the stats improving with Walton there, I suspect he's also been assisted by the team in front of him being better than it was when Hladky was starting, assuming that isn't taken into account in some way by their stats. |  | | |
| Walton appreciation thread on 10:12 - Nov 18 with 1440 views | Kieran_Knows |
A deal is definitely there to be done. Out of contract next summer and they let him play in the FA Cup (I know they have 3 other keepers so makes sense). I suspect it will be an easier deal to do in the summer if we get promoted.
But I agree, if we could do it in January, that would be great. |  |
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| Walton appreciation thread on 10:20 - Nov 18 with 1417 views | clive_baker |
| Walton appreciation thread on 21:12 - Nov 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Yes to Walton but there is a concern at the difference in quality to the second choice. We need to shift Holy and Hladky and get a better second choice in. That or improve one of Holy or Hladky dramatically. |
Hopefully January brings a bit of interest in some of the fringe players. If we could offload the likes of Jackson, Norwood, Kenlock, Holy then I think I think the squad would look well balanced. Especially as we're out of the League Cup, the group stage of the Mickey Mouse Cup is over, we might even be out of it by Jan (and frankly who cares about it) and realistically how many FA Cup games will we have? Barrow + 2 as a realistic case I would say, depending on the luck of the draws. Could even be out of that depending on Barrow.
Regardelss of progress in any of those, I would rather give the experience to the young players coming through a la Clements, Armin, Baggott etc anyway. |  |
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| Walton appreciation thread on 10:36 - Nov 18 with 1353 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Walton appreciation thread on 21:34 - Nov 17 by Keaneish |
Look at that drop in quality from 4 down! |
You mean that McCarthy who's currently playing in the Premier League for Southampton? |  |
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| Walton appreciation thread on 10:48 - Nov 18 with 1312 views | franz_tyson |
Hladky’s form for the past three years has been very good.
So I’d put his current form down to lack of confidence as opposed to writing him off totally. I think it’s right at the moment not to play him as he looks a bag of nerves.
Possible loan somewhere else to try and rediscover his confidence? League 2 GK of the year last season so could be some takers there at L2 level.
I’d look for a loan for Hladky and get an experienced understudy to come in or settle for Holy as backup. | | | |
| Walton appreciation thread on 11:00 - Nov 18 with 1282 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Walton appreciation thread on 21:34 - Nov 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Fine as long as Walton does not miss more than an odd game here or there. If he were to miss a run of matches, relying on our current back-ups would potentially destroy the whole season. We don't want to be a bottom half club!
We really need an Arron Lee- Barratt type or similar. Someone who is a limited keeper but can raise their game if called on. |
Realistically L1 clubs don't have two 'top' keepers - even most Championship clubs don't really.
Hladky was a quality keeper for Salford and St Mirren but his confidence looks shot to bits. He's a far better keeper (or should be) than ALB. It's a hard one because he's not going to build his confidence sitting on the bench, he needs to be playing regular games. | | | |
| Walton appreciation thread on 11:05 - Nov 18 with 1271 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Walton appreciation thread on 10:12 - Nov 18 by PhilTWTD |
Everyone I've spoken to who saw Hladky last season has said he was exceptional for Salford, the best keeper in the division etc. Seems widespread surprise that he has had such a poor time of it since he moved here.
While I'm sure there's something in the stats improving with Walton there, I suspect he's also been assisted by the team in front of him being better than it was when Hladky was starting, assuming that isn't taken into account in some way by their stats. |
Perhaps although I'd argue the reverse - Walton being in there has improved the defenders in front of him. Hladky was an absolute mess, particularly commanding his area. Every cross into our box looked in danger of a goal. Makes such a difference for a defender when you have total confidence your keeper is going to come for everything. | | | |
| Walton appreciation thread on 11:13 - Nov 18 with 1229 views | tractordownsouth |
| Walton appreciation thread on 10:36 - Nov 18 by Ewan_Oozami |
You mean that McCarthy who's currently playing in the Premier League for Southampton? |
He was dogsh1t for Town. | |
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| Walton appreciation thread on 12:02 - Nov 18 with 1165 views | Chrisd |
| Walton appreciation thread on 10:12 - Nov 18 by PhilTWTD |
Everyone I've spoken to who saw Hladky last season has said he was exceptional for Salford, the best keeper in the division etc. Seems widespread surprise that he has had such a poor time of it since he moved here.
While I'm sure there's something in the stats improving with Walton there, I suspect he's also been assisted by the team in front of him being better than it was when Hladky was starting, assuming that isn't taken into account in some way by their stats. |
You also have to consider Phil, how the goalkeeper makes the defence feel behind them. There is no doubt that there was a lot of chopping and changing with the defensive unit at the start of the season which could not have been helpful for Hladky, however Walton has come in and brought that confidence and commanding presence which we were lacking and that makes a huge difference to the team knowing they have someone reliable in that last line of defence. | |
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