| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... 08:44 - Dec 16 with 3561 views | Fixed_It |
...to this? I just can't get my head round it. They clearly aren't 'bad players' - but the confidence has gone, and they appear to have no structure to their play to fall back on. I just hope they respond well to a big crowd on Saturday (and vice versa), and get their mojo back. |  |
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| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 08:50 - Dec 16 with 2899 views | BseaBlue |
I fear the opposite on Saturday. You can see us going one nil down and the place turning!
The only way I can see it being any different is if a new manager is appointed and at the game. That will at least buy the club a little more patience. |  | | |
| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:12 - Dec 16 with 2835 views | itfcserbia |
But what was that great about the Wycombe performance? They hit the post or something early on and the game could have gone completely different way. We were just a bad mismatch from their point of view and the final score did flatter that performance. It was more of a one off than anything else really.
At Portsmouth they were awful and their GK gifted us a couple. Even Doncaster gifted us a couple at PR and they were properly bad all over pitch. There really wasn't a single game this season where we looked composed, organized and coached for like 70 minutes, let alone 90.
Finally after a few months better coached teams realized who to double and what parts of pitch to cover so our individual qualities can't come out as much and that was the end of Cook. |  |
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| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:13 - Dec 16 with 2822 views | ArnieM |
We sacked the manager without a replacement lined up . |  |
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| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:13 - Dec 16 with 2818 views | textbackup |
Some serious sht must have gone on behind closed doors, this doesn’t just happen. |  |
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| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:16 - Dec 16 with 2792 views | chrismakin |
Because all clubs have 1 sht game and Wycombe had theirs against us. |  |
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| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:31 - Dec 16 with 2732 views | Herbivore |
| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:13 - Dec 16 by textbackup |
Some serious sht must have gone on behind closed doors, this doesn’t just happen. |
It's very odd. The Wycombe game looked for all the world like the sort of performance and result that would be a springboard for our season and it came off the back of a pretty decent run of form post Bolton. Since then our record in all completions is played 12, won 2, drawn 6, lost 4. We've gone from top scorers in the league to managing 8 goals in those 12 games, and 5 of those games have been against League 2 sides. It's a dramatic collapse in form and despite what some claim, the trajectory was set before Cook's departure. |  |
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| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:33 - Dec 16 with 2710 views | Guthrum |
| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:13 - Dec 16 by ArnieM |
We sacked the manager without a replacement lined up . |
But we didn't step straight from Wycombe to this. There was Oldham part 1, Colchester, Oxford, Oldham part 2, Sunderland, Rotherham, Crewe, Arsenal U21s and Barrow part 1 (P9 W2 D5 L2, ignoring penalty shoot-outs, half of those games against lower-level opposition) between that cold night at Adams Park and Cook losing his job. The last three games are more of a part with those performances than a sudden downward departure.
Wycombe is the one and only time this season we've beaten decently strong opposition who have not been themselves on a poor run. In reality, that is the outlier, not these poor games. |  |
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| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:37 - Dec 16 with 2667 views | BseaBlue |
| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:33 - Dec 16 by Guthrum |
But we didn't step straight from Wycombe to this. There was Oldham part 1, Colchester, Oxford, Oldham part 2, Sunderland, Rotherham, Crewe, Arsenal U21s and Barrow part 1 (P9 W2 D5 L2, ignoring penalty shoot-outs, half of those games against lower-level opposition) between that cold night at Adams Park and Cook losing his job. The last three games are more of a part with those performances than a sudden downward departure.
Wycombe is the one and only time this season we've beaten decently strong opposition who have not been themselves on a poor run. In reality, that is the outlier, not these poor games. |
Exactly. And I thinks its important to point out just how poor we were against Crewe. Performances hadn't been consistent at all.
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| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:43 - Dec 16 with 2624 views | ElephantintheRoom |
How would you feel if you uprooted yourself and your family and committed to a long term plan in a different part of the country under a successful manager who convinced you that exciting times lay ahead, only to find some cluless blokes pull the rug out from under your feet within four months?
Then those same clueless blokes asked you to listen to a bloke who gotthe sack from Colchester brought in as a temporary assistant for the also rans 11 -and probably didnt even know your name?
It does sound a bit like a club in floundering chaos - and one that not one of those new players has had the time to identify with - let alone care about now,
You could also consider the small mater of eight changes in a competition that Town havent taken seriously for a decade or more. |  |
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| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:48 - Dec 16 with 2596 views | Metal_Hacker |
Whilst I see your point and it was a great result , I still can't get the first 15/20 out of my head
They again , were shocking |  |
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| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:48 - Dec 16 with 2592 views | Garv |
| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:37 - Dec 16 by BseaBlue |
Exactly. And I thinks its important to point out just how poor we were against Crewe. Performances hadn't been consistent at all.
'Our inconsistency is our consistency' |
We were really that bad against Crewe? It seems widely accepted that we were. I didn't go but watched it back afterwards and to me it looked an end-to-end game where we missed a number of very good chances, particularly the two from Bonne.
Considering as well that we were playing Fraser as a sitter that day as well, was it that big a shock we gave up so many chances ourselves?
Doesn't really matter, but I was surprised at the reaction from that. For balance, I didn't think the Wycombe performance was all that and I'm not sure it was a 4-1 game, we were gifted at least two if not three goals. I don't think we've been 'terrible' in any game really, bar Bolton (Rotherham wasn't that bad), and we haven't been amazing in any games either, unless you count awful Donny. We were a team very much finding our feet under a manager trying to implement a tried and tested style of play - it was just taking a lot longer than we'd have liked. I guess you say that's unacceptable and the manager loses his job as a result, but where does that leave us now? Limbo. |  |
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| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:49 - Dec 16 with 2584 views | Herbivore |
| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:43 - Dec 16 by ElephantintheRoom |
How would you feel if you uprooted yourself and your family and committed to a long term plan in a different part of the country under a successful manager who convinced you that exciting times lay ahead, only to find some cluless blokes pull the rug out from under your feet within four months?
Then those same clueless blokes asked you to listen to a bloke who gotthe sack from Colchester brought in as a temporary assistant for the also rans 11 -and probably didnt even know your name?
It does sound a bit like a club in floundering chaos - and one that not one of those new players has had the time to identify with - let alone care about now,
You could also consider the small mater of eight changes in a competition that Town havent taken seriously for a decade or more. |
I can't quite tell from your posts, are you not a fan of the new owners? | |
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| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:50 - Dec 16 with 2578 views | Wallingford_Boy |
Did you got to the Wycombe game? We weren't THAT good.
Should have been 2 or 3 down before we scored, we had a great spell for 20 mins but then were under pressure a lot in second half, but hit them on the break well.
Best we played all season, but still nowhere near the standards of others in our league. |  |
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| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:53 - Dec 16 with 2531 views | LeoMuff |
| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:33 - Dec 16 by Guthrum |
But we didn't step straight from Wycombe to this. There was Oldham part 1, Colchester, Oxford, Oldham part 2, Sunderland, Rotherham, Crewe, Arsenal U21s and Barrow part 1 (P9 W2 D5 L2, ignoring penalty shoot-outs, half of those games against lower-level opposition) between that cold night at Adams Park and Cook losing his job. The last three games are more of a part with those performances than a sudden downward departure.
Wycombe is the one and only time this season we've beaten decently strong opposition who have not been themselves on a poor run. In reality, that is the outlier, not these poor games. |
I think the mistake was not genuinely taking the cups seriously, as whatever was Said in public the players went through the motions despite our league form being decent. These poor cup performances coupled with a run of tough league fixtures put us in a tailspin and upset fans still not over last season and Augusts disaster.
Our league form Bolton up to Wycombe was very good, but even after that we weren’t too bad, decent against Sunderland and Oxford but not getting the results, won vs Crewe and an abject display v Rotherham. |  |
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| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:56 - Dec 16 with 2514 views | brazil1982 |
| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:43 - Dec 16 by ElephantintheRoom |
How would you feel if you uprooted yourself and your family and committed to a long term plan in a different part of the country under a successful manager who convinced you that exciting times lay ahead, only to find some cluless blokes pull the rug out from under your feet within four months?
Then those same clueless blokes asked you to listen to a bloke who gotthe sack from Colchester brought in as a temporary assistant for the also rans 11 -and probably didnt even know your name?
It does sound a bit like a club in floundering chaos - and one that not one of those new players has had the time to identify with - let alone care about now,
You could also consider the small mater of eight changes in a competition that Town havent taken seriously for a decade or more. |
The financial compensation would make up for it. |  | | |
| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 10:00 - Dec 16 with 2498 views | Steve_M |
Yes, that night I really thought there was something to build on but the tail off in form and results since then has been abysmal. Stumbling through two cup competitions against League 2 sides before being knocked out by another League 2 side and an U21 team and only three goals scored in six league matches. |  |
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| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 10:05 - Dec 16 with 2432 views | BseaBlue |
| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:48 - Dec 16 by Garv |
We were really that bad against Crewe? It seems widely accepted that we were. I didn't go but watched it back afterwards and to me it looked an end-to-end game where we missed a number of very good chances, particularly the two from Bonne.
Considering as well that we were playing Fraser as a sitter that day as well, was it that big a shock we gave up so many chances ourselves?
Doesn't really matter, but I was surprised at the reaction from that. For balance, I didn't think the Wycombe performance was all that and I'm not sure it was a 4-1 game, we were gifted at least two if not three goals. I don't think we've been 'terrible' in any game really, bar Bolton (Rotherham wasn't that bad), and we haven't been amazing in any games either, unless you count awful Donny. We were a team very much finding our feet under a manager trying to implement a tried and tested style of play - it was just taking a lot longer than we'd have liked. I guess you say that's unacceptable and the manager loses his job as a result, but where does that leave us now? Limbo. |
It was a good example of our inconsistency and complete lack of ability to control a game. We started like a house on fire and looked in complete control before nearly throwing it away against one of the poorest teams in the division. That has been the case on multiple occasions this season, hence the stats around us giving away points from leading positions. | | | |
| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 10:05 - Dec 16 with 2431 views | N2_Blue |
| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:50 - Dec 16 by Wallingford_Boy |
Did you got to the Wycombe game? We weren't THAT good.
Should have been 2 or 3 down before we scored, we had a great spell for 20 mins but then were under pressure a lot in second half, but hit them on the break well.
Best we played all season, but still nowhere near the standards of others in our league. |
exactly, too many think we were something special that night but we weren't as good as everyone thinks it was.
At 3-1 we were backs against the wall for 20 minutes.
First 20 minutes we were 2nd best and only enforced change bringing on Burgess for Coulson at full back seemed to change things.
Stockdale at blame for 3 goals.
Was an awesome away night and i loved it but don't get this thing from Town fans that we were some kind of amazing team with a brilliant performance that night, we weren't and the scoreline flattered us. |  |
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| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 10:08 - Dec 16 with 2398 views | Guthrum |
| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:53 - Dec 16 by LeoMuff |
I think the mistake was not genuinely taking the cups seriously, as whatever was Said in public the players went through the motions despite our league form being decent. These poor cup performances coupled with a run of tough league fixtures put us in a tailspin and upset fans still not over last season and Augusts disaster.
Our league form Bolton up to Wycombe was very good, but even after that we weren’t too bad, decent against Sunderland and Oxford but not getting the results, won vs Crewe and an abject display v Rotherham. |
However, even that run of Lincoln to just before Wycombe was a little misleading. We beat the teams currently in 18th, 23rd, 20th, 8th (but they'd been on a terrible run) and 19th place. We were unable to defend leads at Accrington, Cambridge or Plymouth, losing two of those. Without a piece of Bonne cunning, we'd have lost at Sheffield Wednesday, as well. | |
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| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 10:11 - Dec 16 with 2370 views | hatch |
| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 09:43 - Dec 16 by ElephantintheRoom |
How would you feel if you uprooted yourself and your family and committed to a long term plan in a different part of the country under a successful manager who convinced you that exciting times lay ahead, only to find some cluless blokes pull the rug out from under your feet within four months?
Then those same clueless blokes asked you to listen to a bloke who gotthe sack from Colchester brought in as a temporary assistant for the also rans 11 -and probably didnt even know your name?
It does sound a bit like a club in floundering chaos - and one that not one of those new players has had the time to identify with - let alone care about now,
You could also consider the small mater of eight changes in a competition that Town havent taken seriously for a decade or more. |
It feels like in years to come we'll get the truth behind sentiment right now but I imagine it is a terrible mood in camp with a lot of uncertainty and possibly some regret.
Performance wise we're getting worse so I can't see us being anything but embarrassed again on Saturday, albeit with a few first-teamers returning.
Even with a new manager announced before then I can't see an improvement. Anyone remember how woeful we were at Millwall when Lambert was in the stands? |  | | |
| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 10:11 - Dec 16 with 2373 views | Steve_M |
| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 10:05 - Dec 16 by N2_Blue |
exactly, too many think we were something special that night but we weren't as good as everyone thinks it was.
At 3-1 we were backs against the wall for 20 minutes.
First 20 minutes we were 2nd best and only enforced change bringing on Burgess for Coulson at full back seemed to change things.
Stockdale at blame for 3 goals.
Was an awesome away night and i loved it but don't get this thing from Town fans that we were some kind of amazing team with a brilliant performance that night, we weren't and the scoreline flattered us. |
I think Cook did an awful job here but that is over the top revisionism of how we played that night. We were crap for 25 minutes but much better after that and coped with pressure from a good side.
There's a better argument that Portsmouth (rubbish first half, decisive first goal and they collapsed second-half) and Doncaster (really poor team but still had 15 minutes after half-time when we looked lost) were the over-sold performances. | |
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| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 10:11 - Dec 16 with 2370 views | ScottishTractorBoy |
Watching them at Sunderland, Charlton, last night. We don't win the headers, we don't have an attacking options. Last night you could see Walton getting stuck about who to pass it to as no one was moving and giving him options. The players look tired/uninspired. I always think we are playing against 15 or 16 as whenever we do get the ball and start moving forward the other team swarm us. Last night our best player was Norwood and he got subbed off. Jackson was MIA for most of the game. I don't know if anyone would want to join us now as a manager. What can we offer - owners who've shown they won't stand for poor results, players who look unfit and uninspired. We need consistency in selection. How can they play together if we are making 9 changes between games? I'm actually at a lost today and how we can move forward from now |  | | |
| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 10:20 - Dec 16 with 2334 views | Herbivore |
| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 10:11 - Dec 16 by Steve_M |
I think Cook did an awful job here but that is over the top revisionism of how we played that night. We were crap for 25 minutes but much better after that and coped with pressure from a good side.
There's a better argument that Portsmouth (rubbish first half, decisive first goal and they collapsed second-half) and Doncaster (really poor team but still had 15 minutes after half-time when we looked lost) were the over-sold performances. |
Agreed. The notion that you're going to go away to a side in the top 3 who hadn't lost at home in months and play them off the park for 90 minutes is fanciful. We looked the most resilient we have ever under Cook that night in withstanding some pressure and we were clinical in the final third ourselves. It was a very good performance. | |
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| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 10:34 - Dec 16 with 2225 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Whats happening now is the result of recruiting too many 'Championship' players IMO.
We looked ok against sides that played 'Championship', free flowing, attack minded football, Wycombe, Portsmouth even Sunderland and Oxford, (but to a lesser degree), however the second we come up against blood and thunder typical L1 and L2 'sluggers' it all falls apart.
We can't find a way past two solid banks of four.
To use a Colin'ism' we can't cope with players who are prepared to die to get three points.
We can't cope with a high, fast and aggressive press.
All of this is standard in most teams at this level and the level below, and we don't have players, with the possible exception of Norwood, who can cope with it, or play to it.
We were all blown away by our recruitment in the summer, but we've recruited a Championship team, which is just like the one that was relegated a few years ago and they couldn't cope with this level either. Why we didn't sign quality L1 players? The fact we seemingly weren't even in for players like Jack Whatmough and Scott Twine absolutely baffled me at the time and still baffles me now.
Whether Ashton was responsible for the signings or if it was all Cook, I don't know, but we are going to have to shift some of these players out in January and replace them with lower budget L1 campaigners with a scattering of quality if we are going to have any chance at all of getting out of this league, and its going to have to be a coach that can do that.
We've been allowed to become utter dogsh^t by someone's vanity, and right now, I'm not sure who is responsible. [Post edited 16 Dec 2021 10:44]
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| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 10:34 - Dec 16 with 2224 views | Guthrum |
| How did we get from the Wycombe performance... on 10:11 - Dec 16 by ScottishTractorBoy |
Watching them at Sunderland, Charlton, last night. We don't win the headers, we don't have an attacking options. Last night you could see Walton getting stuck about who to pass it to as no one was moving and giving him options. The players look tired/uninspired. I always think we are playing against 15 or 16 as whenever we do get the ball and start moving forward the other team swarm us. Last night our best player was Norwood and he got subbed off. Jackson was MIA for most of the game. I don't know if anyone would want to join us now as a manager. What can we offer - owners who've shown they won't stand for poor results, players who look unfit and uninspired. We need consistency in selection. How can they play together if we are making 9 changes between games? I'm actually at a lost today and how we can move forward from now |
Not just the headers. Last night so many of our passes were going astray or being intercepted. | |
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