| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table 10:12 - Mar 1 with 3320 views | Guthrum |
Finally, the original, the real thing. No jubbly calculations. Based on recent form (but few enough games now not to include the era pre-McKenna).
I know it's not as good looking as the last couple of Calculated ones, but it also gives less weight to short-term trends. |  |
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| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 10:15 - Mar 1 with 2596 views | SheffordBlue |
Goal difference starting to come into play. If we do manage to close the points gap we could also do with putting a few past a few opponents to improve ours. How gutting would it be to be level on points and miss out on GD |  |
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| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 10:17 - Mar 1 with 2574 views | Swansea_Blue |
Boo, Guthers out!
The last 2 games (or just 1 of them) could end up being very costly couldn’t they. |  |
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| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 10:18 - Mar 1 with 2571 views | Guthrum |
| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 10:15 - Mar 1 by SheffordBlue |
Goal difference starting to come into play. If we do manage to close the points gap we could also do with putting a few past a few opponents to improve ours. How gutting would it be to be level on points and miss out on GD |
Tho our GD is already decent in comparison with our direct rivals. | |
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| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 10:24 - Mar 1 with 2517 views | clive_baker |
Looks about right to me, although I think Sunderland have too much about them to be sucked quite that low. Appreciate your table is formulaic and their recent form suggests otherwise, but they've got good experience and an experienced manager. A great result for them on Saturday, I think they'll be there or thereabouts, possible holding off Bolton's charge. Certainly 1-5 is hard to argue with right now.
On another note might I add I've found your thoughts on the developments in Ukraine to be most insightful and very much appreciated. |  |
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| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 10:32 - Mar 1 with 2488 views | BlueBoots |
Always a good idea to credit your sources...
Still not quite sure it's over by BlueBoots 26 Feb 2022 20:18Projected points totals if teams continue their form for the remaining fixtures (Current Points) (Projected Points) (Total Points)
Rotherham (75) (28) (103)
Wigan (66) (28) (94)
MK Dons (66) (26) (92)
Oxford (62) (19) (81)
Sunderland (59) (10) (69)
Sheffield Wednesday (58) (25) (83)
Plymouth (56) (20) (76)
Wycombe (55) (13) (68)
Ipswich (53) (21) (74)
Bolton (51) (25) (76)
Portsmouth (48) (22) (70)
Obviously teams don't just trot along in the same form, some will pick up, and some will slump - but this rough guide puts us in a 3-way battle with Plymouth and Bolton for 6th spot (2 points is a fine margin...)
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| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 10:51 - Mar 1 with 2420 views | Guthrum |
| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 10:32 - Mar 1 by BlueBoots |
Always a good idea to credit your sources...
Still not quite sure it's over by BlueBoots 26 Feb 2022 20:18Projected points totals if teams continue their form for the remaining fixtures (Current Points) (Projected Points) (Total Points)
Rotherham (75) (28) (103)
Wigan (66) (28) (94)
MK Dons (66) (26) (92)
Oxford (62) (19) (81)
Sunderland (59) (10) (69)
Sheffield Wednesday (58) (25) (83)
Plymouth (56) (20) (76)
Wycombe (55) (13) (68)
Ipswich (53) (21) (74)
Bolton (51) (25) (76)
Portsmouth (48) (22) (70)
Obviously teams don't just trot along in the same form, some will pick up, and some will slump - but this rough guide puts us in a 3-way battle with Plymouth and Bolton for 6th spot (2 points is a fine margin...)
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 Put in the same data and you'll get the same results!
Tickles me a bit that I first produced these when we were desperately trying to avoid dropping into League One after McCarthy's arrival. Now documenting an equally frantic attempt to get promoted back out of that same division. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 10:52]
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| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 11:10 - Mar 1 with 2319 views | MattinLondon |
Your final tables chop-and-change more often than a Paul Lambert team sheet. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 11:10]
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| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 11:12 - Mar 1 with 2305 views | Keno |
| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 11:10 - Mar 1 by MattinLondon |
Your final tables chop-and-change more often than a Paul Lambert team sheet. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 11:10]
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yes but makes more sense than a Lamburk team sheet and has a lot more thought so into it |  |
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| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 11:21 - Mar 1 with 2251 views | textbackup |
Cheers, crying now
However, very unlucky if 74points isn’t enough, down to the poor start.
Have every faith that KMc pushes us on further next season |  |
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| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 11:23 - Mar 1 with 2232 views | GeoffSentence |
GUTHERS OUT!! |  |
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| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 11:40 - Mar 1 with 2153 views | Fixed_It |
You clearly haven't taken into account that we are going to win all our remaining games, therefore I'm sticking my fingers in my ears and ignoring you...
<la, la, la, la la, la la, la, la, la, la, la, la la!> |  |
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| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 11:41 - Mar 1 with 2143 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
Bolton on same games played as us and same points. I know its based on form but if they can get in there so can we! |  | | |
| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 11:52 - Mar 1 with 2085 views | SitfcB |
| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 11:41 - Mar 1 by abracaDOBRA_ |
Bolton on same games played as us and same points. I know its based on form but if they can get in there so can we! |
Yes I’m not having them finishing 6th. |  |
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| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 11:58 - Mar 1 with 2076 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 11:52 - Mar 1 by SitfcB |
Yes I’m not having them finishing 6th. |
Obviously in form but id have Sunderland or Plymouth to finish 6th instead of them.
But if that table says Bolton can do it then so can we if we match their form | | | |
| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 13:07 - Mar 1 with 1916 views | BonneNIL |
It's a very poor finish given the investment, with 22 -3 new players coming in and a change of manager. Don't get me wrong I am not blaming McKenna although his time of appointment was very poor, especially when we effectively unsettled the team and dropped points between Cook going and McKenna coming in which basically killed him off before he started.
I do feel there are larger, deep-rooted issues at the club, whether they be some of the remaining coaches in the system, the facilities, and definitely in the areas of recruitment that need to be seriously reviewed and changed. Three seasons in the middle of League One, 3 managers, two sets of owners, however many hundred players and we haven't seriously threatened promotion once. The quality of the football if we are being honest is thereabouts as good as it was when we first came down in 2019, although that team was capable of hammering the weaker sides and we fell short purely because of key injuries and a lack of investment at crucial times from Evans.
Gamechanger and McKenna will get another season to prove themselves, naturally, but if we don't break the top 6 again when realistically given the money we have spent and are spending we shouldn't be out of the top two we need to be asking serious questions as a support of what on earth is going wrong here.
Is another distant ownership going to be a problem long term? How responsible was Ashton for the failure this season? Is McKenna's system far too negative and affecting how our previous solid strike force the reason we have dropped points in some of these games?
These are all questions that should be asked in the summer. |  |
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| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 13:09 - Mar 1 with 1893 views | textbackup |
| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 13:07 - Mar 1 by BonneNIL |
It's a very poor finish given the investment, with 22 -3 new players coming in and a change of manager. Don't get me wrong I am not blaming McKenna although his time of appointment was very poor, especially when we effectively unsettled the team and dropped points between Cook going and McKenna coming in which basically killed him off before he started.
I do feel there are larger, deep-rooted issues at the club, whether they be some of the remaining coaches in the system, the facilities, and definitely in the areas of recruitment that need to be seriously reviewed and changed. Three seasons in the middle of League One, 3 managers, two sets of owners, however many hundred players and we haven't seriously threatened promotion once. The quality of the football if we are being honest is thereabouts as good as it was when we first came down in 2019, although that team was capable of hammering the weaker sides and we fell short purely because of key injuries and a lack of investment at crucial times from Evans.
Gamechanger and McKenna will get another season to prove themselves, naturally, but if we don't break the top 6 again when realistically given the money we have spent and are spending we shouldn't be out of the top two we need to be asking serious questions as a support of what on earth is going wrong here.
Is another distant ownership going to be a problem long term? How responsible was Ashton for the failure this season? Is McKenna's system far too negative and affecting how our previous solid strike force the reason we have dropped points in some of these games?
These are all questions that should be asked in the summer. |
Gamechanger get another season…
How very decent of you | |
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| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 13:17 - Mar 1 with 1869 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 13:07 - Mar 1 by BonneNIL |
It's a very poor finish given the investment, with 22 -3 new players coming in and a change of manager. Don't get me wrong I am not blaming McKenna although his time of appointment was very poor, especially when we effectively unsettled the team and dropped points between Cook going and McKenna coming in which basically killed him off before he started.
I do feel there are larger, deep-rooted issues at the club, whether they be some of the remaining coaches in the system, the facilities, and definitely in the areas of recruitment that need to be seriously reviewed and changed. Three seasons in the middle of League One, 3 managers, two sets of owners, however many hundred players and we haven't seriously threatened promotion once. The quality of the football if we are being honest is thereabouts as good as it was when we first came down in 2019, although that team was capable of hammering the weaker sides and we fell short purely because of key injuries and a lack of investment at crucial times from Evans.
Gamechanger and McKenna will get another season to prove themselves, naturally, but if we don't break the top 6 again when realistically given the money we have spent and are spending we shouldn't be out of the top two we need to be asking serious questions as a support of what on earth is going wrong here.
Is another distant ownership going to be a problem long term? How responsible was Ashton for the failure this season? Is McKenna's system far too negative and affecting how our previous solid strike force the reason we have dropped points in some of these games?
These are all questions that should be asked in the summer. |
Game changer haven't really done anything wrong have they? Gave us the best transfers we could have asked, invested heavily in facilities, about to put in a new pitch. Appointed Mckenna. The only thing wrong was Cook and they didn't appoint him.
Good of u to give them another season though | | | |
| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 13:22 - Mar 1 with 1848 views | clive_baker |
| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 13:07 - Mar 1 by BonneNIL |
It's a very poor finish given the investment, with 22 -3 new players coming in and a change of manager. Don't get me wrong I am not blaming McKenna although his time of appointment was very poor, especially when we effectively unsettled the team and dropped points between Cook going and McKenna coming in which basically killed him off before he started.
I do feel there are larger, deep-rooted issues at the club, whether they be some of the remaining coaches in the system, the facilities, and definitely in the areas of recruitment that need to be seriously reviewed and changed. Three seasons in the middle of League One, 3 managers, two sets of owners, however many hundred players and we haven't seriously threatened promotion once. The quality of the football if we are being honest is thereabouts as good as it was when we first came down in 2019, although that team was capable of hammering the weaker sides and we fell short purely because of key injuries and a lack of investment at crucial times from Evans.
Gamechanger and McKenna will get another season to prove themselves, naturally, but if we don't break the top 6 again when realistically given the money we have spent and are spending we shouldn't be out of the top two we need to be asking serious questions as a support of what on earth is going wrong here.
Is another distant ownership going to be a problem long term? How responsible was Ashton for the failure this season? Is McKenna's system far too negative and affecting how our previous solid strike force the reason we have dropped points in some of these games?
These are all questions that should be asked in the summer. |
Fair post although I think we can sometimes let our recent history make us overthink things this season. ME under invested in just about every facet of the club, there's no evidence to suggest our new owners intend to do that, in fact quite the opposite. There was a lot of change in the summer, too much IMO, and we had a manager who seemingly threw together a support team that was unqualified and as inbalanced as the squad he was building. We showed glimpses of being excellent, but lacked consistency and never recovered from an awful start. We talk about our PPG under KM as being encouraging, which it is at 2ppg, but even if you exclude the first 6 games of the season we've since averaged 1.72ppg which is 79 over a season, and p/off form. And it's not like we were particularly good under Cook for the most part after those opening 6.
It feels to me that we've finally got a manager who can get us operating effectively, robust at the back and with some patterns to our play that will yield results. The players seem to have reacted positively and that's been evident in the results. Perhaps too little too late for this season, but with the huge gap to the top 6 when KM joined and the form those sides have demonstrated it's no disgrace if we land the season with 70+ points but too few for 6th. I still think our squad is some way off being where KM will want it, and there will certainly be more rotation in the summer, but I would wager this time next year we'll be higher up the pyramid than 9th in L1.
Gamechanger will want results, so if it isn't meant to be this season I do think next will bring big pressure to Ashton and co to deliver the plan. | |
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| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 13:50 - Mar 1 with 1755 views | Garv |
| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 13:07 - Mar 1 by BonneNIL |
It's a very poor finish given the investment, with 22 -3 new players coming in and a change of manager. Don't get me wrong I am not blaming McKenna although his time of appointment was very poor, especially when we effectively unsettled the team and dropped points between Cook going and McKenna coming in which basically killed him off before he started.
I do feel there are larger, deep-rooted issues at the club, whether they be some of the remaining coaches in the system, the facilities, and definitely in the areas of recruitment that need to be seriously reviewed and changed. Three seasons in the middle of League One, 3 managers, two sets of owners, however many hundred players and we haven't seriously threatened promotion once. The quality of the football if we are being honest is thereabouts as good as it was when we first came down in 2019, although that team was capable of hammering the weaker sides and we fell short purely because of key injuries and a lack of investment at crucial times from Evans.
Gamechanger and McKenna will get another season to prove themselves, naturally, but if we don't break the top 6 again when realistically given the money we have spent and are spending we shouldn't be out of the top two we need to be asking serious questions as a support of what on earth is going wrong here.
Is another distant ownership going to be a problem long term? How responsible was Ashton for the failure this season? Is McKenna's system far too negative and affecting how our previous solid strike force the reason we have dropped points in some of these games?
These are all questions that should be asked in the summer. |
if we don't break the top 6 again when realistically given the money we have spent and are spending we shouldn't be out of the top two we need to be asking serious questions as a support of what on earth is going wrong here.
Never quite sure what people mean with statements like this. Are we to protest because Gamechanger haven't promoted us in one season? |  |
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| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 14:15 - Mar 1 with 1678 views | Fixed_It |
| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 13:50 - Mar 1 by Garv |
if we don't break the top 6 again when realistically given the money we have spent and are spending we shouldn't be out of the top two we need to be asking serious questions as a support of what on earth is going wrong here.
Never quite sure what people mean with statements like this. Are we to protest because Gamechanger haven't promoted us in one season? |
These serious questions sound interesting.
1. What is going on here?
2. Er.... What else is going on here? | |
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| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 14:17 - Mar 1 with 1658 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 11:10 - Mar 1 by MattinLondon |
Your final tables chop-and-change more often than a Paul Lambert team sheet. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 11:10]
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He’s not very good at this seer business is he? | |
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| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 17:36 - Mar 1 with 1407 views | PrrrromotionGiven |
Quite optimistic actually. Turn 1 draw into a win and we're there going by this. | | | |
| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 17:42 - Mar 1 with 1398 views | Bramidan |
| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 17:36 - Mar 1 by PrrrromotionGiven |
Quite optimistic actually. Turn 1 draw into a win and we're there going by this. |
Guthrum, I am not impressed.
The problem is you are probably correct.
Such is the life of supporting ITFC. | | | |
| Guthrum's Estimated Final Table on 18:42 - Mar 1 with 1321 views | Mullet |
Do it again. |  |
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