| Tory wipeout 13:00 - Aug 20 with 5109 views | HARRY10 |
"Figures from a YouGov poll for The Times has revealed that Labour has the backing of 43 per cent of voters, which is 15 ahead of the Tories at 28 per cent. "
which would translate into
Lab 388 seats
Tory 167 seats
a loss to the Tories of 198 seats, giving Labour an overall majority of 126
and this is before the utterly clueless Truss has even begun, or factoring in any tactical voting
Maybe the bigots might try to address the water leakages, the sewage being dumped in the rivers/sea and the excessive profits being made by the energy companies - or perhaps question why the bloated buffoon has been awol for all summer.
But no, true to form, both Truss/Sunak are attacking those who actually are at work.......for trying to stop their wages from being eroded.
Meanwhile, the 'never the brightest' stick insect reveals the real reason for brexit .....government should not “deliver certain functions at all”. What I think is meant is that government should not provide......
Maybe most of us can provide.......but we are not old, disabled, low paid....
Is this really how we want our society to be ? One where the rich get richer while others struggle to just survive. Perhaps that is why the poll has the figures it does. If not...
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| Tory wipeout on 13:30 - Aug 20 with 3271 views | noggin |
I'm sure the media will make up some crisis and blame it on immigrants, before the next election. That should be enough to get the "patriots' back on board. |  |
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| Tory wipeout on 13:35 - Aug 20 with 3228 views | Darth_Koont |
The Tories have screwed up so badly that even the establishment wants Starmer and the Tory B team now.
I think a status quo that's sucking money, opportunities and hope upwards and a sad excuse for democracy would be toast if we didn't play along for a change and did actually take your question seriously and address it in real terms: "Is this really how we want our society to be ? One where the rich get richer while others struggle to just survive."
The unions and campaigns like Enough is Enough and Don't Pay are looking to do exactly that. Westminster's hand-wringing platitudes and non-policies are there to stop it. |  |
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| Tory wipeout on 13:45 - Aug 20 with 3183 views | Churchman |
| Tory wipeout on 13:30 - Aug 20 by noggin |
I'm sure the media will make up some crisis and blame it on immigrants, before the next election. That should be enough to get the "patriots' back on board. |
It doesn’t matter who makes up what between now or the GE. Thanks to the chaos and damage they’ve wrought, the tories are finished for a generation. If they get more than 150 seats I’ll be amazed.
As for Truss, she’ll prove an absolute liability for them. They couldn’t choose much worse they tried. She literally has nothing going for her. |  | | |
| Tory wipeout on 14:01 - Aug 20 with 3105 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Tory wipeout on 13:45 - Aug 20 by Churchman |
It doesn’t matter who makes up what between now or the GE. Thanks to the chaos and damage they’ve wrought, the tories are finished for a generation. If they get more than 150 seats I’ll be amazed.
As for Truss, she’ll prove an absolute liability for them. They couldn’t choose much worse they tried. She literally has nothing going for her. |
I'm no fan of Truss or Rishi
Rishi though at least has a functioning brain - but he has zero chance of getting in. What he should do is the honourable thing and drop out so we can form another government.
I wouldn't necessarily agree that they are finished for a generation. For one they are arguably the most successful political party in history and two, people were saying the same about Labour three years ago.
I think we need a third way - and that doesn't include any of the current crops, unfortunately this is not going to happen in my life time.
I had outside hopes for The Renew Party but they've been gobbled up by Gina Miller - and she is not the answer. |  |
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| Tory wipeout on 14:04 - Aug 20 with 3070 views | noggin |
| Tory wipeout on 14:01 - Aug 20 by Lord_Lucan |
I'm no fan of Truss or Rishi
Rishi though at least has a functioning brain - but he has zero chance of getting in. What he should do is the honourable thing and drop out so we can form another government.
I wouldn't necessarily agree that they are finished for a generation. For one they are arguably the most successful political party in history and two, people were saying the same about Labour three years ago.
I think we need a third way - and that doesn't include any of the current crops, unfortunately this is not going to happen in my life time.
I had outside hopes for The Renew Party but they've been gobbled up by Gina Miller - and she is not the answer. |
When you say 'successful'..... Successful for who? | |
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| Tory wipeout on 14:06 - Aug 20 with 3061 views | Trequartista |
This is Labour's biggest poll lead since 2013 when they were 15 points ahead. Only 2 years later they lost a general election. I would worry more whether the Tories will actually leave office before celebrating potential wipeouts. |  |
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| Tory wipeout on 14:12 - Aug 20 with 3008 views | Churchman |
| Tory wipeout on 14:01 - Aug 20 by Lord_Lucan |
I'm no fan of Truss or Rishi
Rishi though at least has a functioning brain - but he has zero chance of getting in. What he should do is the honourable thing and drop out so we can form another government.
I wouldn't necessarily agree that they are finished for a generation. For one they are arguably the most successful political party in history and two, people were saying the same about Labour three years ago.
I think we need a third way - and that doesn't include any of the current crops, unfortunately this is not going to happen in my life time.
I had outside hopes for The Renew Party but they've been gobbled up by Gina Miller - and she is not the answer. |
I agree - we need a third way but like you I don’t think it’ll happen in my lifetime.
After Blair wiped them out, what was left of the tories spent years fighting each other. They adored the comfort of opposition. I think the same thing will happen and given wherever they try to place the blame, their move to the right will leave them unelectable for years. | | | |
| Tory wipeout on 14:15 - Aug 20 with 2993 views | Meadowlark |
And when/if we get a Labour landslide, will they make the changes that are required to ensure that the country becomes a democracy? |  | | |
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| Tory wipeout on 14:15 - Aug 20 with 2985 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Tory wipeout on 14:06 - Aug 20 by Trequartista |
This is Labour's biggest poll lead since 2013 when they were 15 points ahead. Only 2 years later they lost a general election. I would worry more whether the Tories will actually leave office before celebrating potential wipeouts. |
Exactly this.
IF there is a General Election then it will be a lot closer than this as the dirty tricks ramp up.
We are one law away from the Government giving itself emergency powers to delay a General Election. They have already repealed the Fixed Term Parliament Act, and given the power to call an early General Election to the Prime Minister, without recourse to Parliament. If they passed a law giving direct power to the Prime Minister to delay a General Election, then my understanding is that, due to other Enabling Act laws that they have passed recently, there would be no legal recourse through the courts to challenge it.
I wouldn't put it past them. Warm up the situation with Putin a bit more, declare an Emergency, suspend Elections "because of Russian interference". | | | |
| Tory wipeout on 14:31 - Aug 20 with 2915 views | Churchman |
| Tory wipeout on 14:15 - Aug 20 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Exactly this.
IF there is a General Election then it will be a lot closer than this as the dirty tricks ramp up.
We are one law away from the Government giving itself emergency powers to delay a General Election. They have already repealed the Fixed Term Parliament Act, and given the power to call an early General Election to the Prime Minister, without recourse to Parliament. If they passed a law giving direct power to the Prime Minister to delay a General Election, then my understanding is that, due to other Enabling Act laws that they have passed recently, there would be no legal recourse through the courts to challenge it.
I wouldn't put it past them. Warm up the situation with Putin a bit more, declare an Emergency, suspend Elections "because of Russian interference". |
I think if they try that, there will be a general strike/serious civil disorder. Given they’ve got rid of much of the army with more cuts to come, they wouldn’t be in any position to impose anything.
But like you, I’d not be surprised at any stunt this dreadful shower might try. | | | |
| Tory wipeout on 14:34 - Aug 20 with 2891 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Tory wipeout on 14:04 - Aug 20 by noggin |
When you say 'successful'..... Successful for who? |
Electorally | |
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| Tory wipeout on 14:41 - Aug 20 with 2841 views | Darth_Koont |
| Tory wipeout on 14:34 - Aug 20 by Lord_Lucan |
Electorally |
No, that’s definitely been the Press Billionaire Party over the past 4 decades.
They’ve won every single election. And achieved everything they wanted in government too. | |
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| Tory wipeout on 14:54 - Aug 20 with 2792 views | chicoazul |
I was wondering the other day what had happened to you Harold. Hope all is well. |  |
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| Tory wipeout on 18:57 - Aug 20 with 2674 views | HARRY10 |
| Tory wipeout on 14:06 - Aug 20 by Trequartista |
This is Labour's biggest poll lead since 2013 when they were 15 points ahead. Only 2 years later they lost a general election. I would worry more whether the Tories will actually leave office before celebrating potential wipeouts. |
Who is celebrating ? You righties smarting more like.
There is nothing to celebrate as the country slides ever more towards an almost totalitarian state. Tories/righties do not like democracy, as with trying to close Parliament, block the Legislative from operating and even attacking the judiciary.
However, far right cranks are becoming ever more isolated as Tory support heads towards as low as a quarter of voters - and my thought is that Truss will merely speed that demise. It is clear she has not the slightest idea of what she is spouting, but unlike the other deranged one (Thatcher) there is no Keith Joseph to operate the strings.
Aside from any party allegiance the UK cannot continue with the system that has raw sewage being dumped into rivers and the sea, while water companies get ever higher bonuses.
Utilities need to be run by the country.
Not like the railways where ever bigger subsidies are being paid to foreign owners - overwhelmingly state owned/controlled. Just take that in. The loony Tory privatisation now has more money being paid to foreign state owned companies, to run a shoddy service. Billions are similarly being paid to foreign own care homes whilst "we can’t escape the fact that there are 105,000 vacancies in the NHS and 165,000 vacancies in social care."
Sadly brexit numpties thought that Brexit would mean jobs for them, control of the borders and fewer brown faces in the country. Whereas the reason why so many UK workers remained unemployed still exist (housing).
The UK appears to have given up on import controls, with the explanation as to why similar infrastructure, to that on the EU, has not been built in the UK is simple, it would have a crippling effect on the economy. And as the need for foreign labour remains as high as before, the UK is now recruiting in Indonesia, India and Africa - where there is quite a tendency toward brown faces.T
Truss will take this lunacy to the point of almost self destruction. Whether that means the men in white coats carting her off, as with the 'blessed Margaret' it is too early to say. But having Dorries, Rees-Mogg and Shapps as her sidekicks is an indication of the certainty of failure.
I just hope it is over quickly before we see anywhere near the deaths caused by the incompetence of the bloated shyster. *
* where he ? | | | |
| Tory wipeout on 19:08 - Aug 20 with 2617 views | tractordownsouth |
| Tory wipeout on 13:35 - Aug 20 by Darth_Koont |
The Tories have screwed up so badly that even the establishment wants Starmer and the Tory B team now.
I think a status quo that's sucking money, opportunities and hope upwards and a sad excuse for democracy would be toast if we didn't play along for a change and did actually take your question seriously and address it in real terms: "Is this really how we want our society to be ? One where the rich get richer while others struggle to just survive."
The unions and campaigns like Enough is Enough and Don't Pay are looking to do exactly that. Westminster's hand-wringing platitudes and non-policies are there to stop it. |
Is this a copy and paste? In the last week, Starmer has committed to freezing energy bills and making the living wage mandatory. |  |
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| Tory wipeout on 19:29 - Aug 20 with 2542 views | Trequartista |
| Tory wipeout on 18:57 - Aug 20 by HARRY10 |
Who is celebrating ? You righties smarting more like.
There is nothing to celebrate as the country slides ever more towards an almost totalitarian state. Tories/righties do not like democracy, as with trying to close Parliament, block the Legislative from operating and even attacking the judiciary.
However, far right cranks are becoming ever more isolated as Tory support heads towards as low as a quarter of voters - and my thought is that Truss will merely speed that demise. It is clear she has not the slightest idea of what she is spouting, but unlike the other deranged one (Thatcher) there is no Keith Joseph to operate the strings.
Aside from any party allegiance the UK cannot continue with the system that has raw sewage being dumped into rivers and the sea, while water companies get ever higher bonuses.
Utilities need to be run by the country.
Not like the railways where ever bigger subsidies are being paid to foreign owners - overwhelmingly state owned/controlled. Just take that in. The loony Tory privatisation now has more money being paid to foreign state owned companies, to run a shoddy service. Billions are similarly being paid to foreign own care homes whilst "we can’t escape the fact that there are 105,000 vacancies in the NHS and 165,000 vacancies in social care."
Sadly brexit numpties thought that Brexit would mean jobs for them, control of the borders and fewer brown faces in the country. Whereas the reason why so many UK workers remained unemployed still exist (housing).
The UK appears to have given up on import controls, with the explanation as to why similar infrastructure, to that on the EU, has not been built in the UK is simple, it would have a crippling effect on the economy. And as the need for foreign labour remains as high as before, the UK is now recruiting in Indonesia, India and Africa - where there is quite a tendency toward brown faces.T
Truss will take this lunacy to the point of almost self destruction. Whether that means the men in white coats carting her off, as with the 'blessed Margaret' it is too early to say. But having Dorries, Rees-Mogg and Shapps as her sidekicks is an indication of the certainty of failure.
I just hope it is over quickly before we see anywhere near the deaths caused by the incompetence of the bloated shyster. *
* where he ? |
i can change "celebrating" to "predicting" if you like.
I wonder if anyone caring to read this can guess who the traditional Labour voter is out of the two of us. | |
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| Tory wipeout on 19:52 - Aug 20 with 2463 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Tory wipeout on 19:29 - Aug 20 by Trequartista |
i can change "celebrating" to "predicting" if you like.
I wonder if anyone caring to read this can guess who the traditional Labour voter is out of the two of us. |
Harry is definitely a traditional Monster Raving Loony Party voter. |  |
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| Tory wipeout on 19:54 - Aug 20 with 2457 views | Bobbychase |
Have tended not to be too passionate about politics in the past but
When you factor in them giving huge PPE contracts to their mates, taking credit for the vaccines - for which the credit should go to the NHS, GPs surgeries and local councils - and NOT accepting the blame for 37bn wasted on test and trace, the sewage in the rivers and coastline, the constant lying about partygate, the seemingly endless debates between Truss and Sunak to see who can be the most right-wing to appease a tiny proportion of the general population who actually get to choose between them, while the countryside burns in a man-made climate change doom warning and people weep over how they will pay their bills in the autumn, to the ongoing farce of the fact everyone can see Brexit was the disaster it was predicted, yet nobody can say it for fear of annoying the Daily Mail, to the 17th Century nonsense of Rees-Mogg to the Prime Minister who is exactly the lying charlatan that everyone who had worked with him previously said he would be, to that bellend who represents Stoke, to Michael Fabricant and Peter Bone and all the goggle-eyed flag shaggers in between...
I hope they get wiped out as a political force. They deserve to be. Several times over. |  |
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| Tory wipeout on 20:27 - Aug 20 with 2365 views | tractordownsouth |
| Tory wipeout on 14:41 - Aug 20 by Darth_Koont |
No, that’s definitely been the Press Billionaire Party over the past 4 decades.
They’ve won every single election. And achieved everything they wanted in government too. |
I wasn’t around at the time but as I understand it Labour were miles ahead in the run up to 1997 so Murdoch’s backing of Blair a way of backing the winning horse rather than influencing the result. | |
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| Tory wipeout on 20:54 - Aug 20 with 2305 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Tory wipeout on 19:54 - Aug 20 by Bobbychase |
Have tended not to be too passionate about politics in the past but
When you factor in them giving huge PPE contracts to their mates, taking credit for the vaccines - for which the credit should go to the NHS, GPs surgeries and local councils - and NOT accepting the blame for 37bn wasted on test and trace, the sewage in the rivers and coastline, the constant lying about partygate, the seemingly endless debates between Truss and Sunak to see who can be the most right-wing to appease a tiny proportion of the general population who actually get to choose between them, while the countryside burns in a man-made climate change doom warning and people weep over how they will pay their bills in the autumn, to the ongoing farce of the fact everyone can see Brexit was the disaster it was predicted, yet nobody can say it for fear of annoying the Daily Mail, to the 17th Century nonsense of Rees-Mogg to the Prime Minister who is exactly the lying charlatan that everyone who had worked with him previously said he would be, to that bellend who represents Stoke, to Michael Fabricant and Peter Bone and all the goggle-eyed flag shaggers in between...
I hope they get wiped out as a political force. They deserve to be. Several times over. |
Isn't it great now they can't blame Europe....you can all thank me later. Plus, in terms of leaving the globalist enablers it was always going to be a win/win anyway! |  |
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| Tory wipeout on 21:02 - Aug 20 with 2282 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Tory wipeout on 13:45 - Aug 20 by Churchman |
It doesn’t matter who makes up what between now or the GE. Thanks to the chaos and damage they’ve wrought, the tories are finished for a generation. If they get more than 150 seats I’ll be amazed.
As for Truss, she’ll prove an absolute liability for them. They couldn’t choose much worse they tried. She literally has nothing going for her. |
I don’t know. There’s a stupidly high amount of support for them out there. Either directly for what they’re doing, or because people still believe the slurs against Labour/anything not market economy, or indirectly as people believe everything they read in the client media.
The Tories should of course be consigned to the history books (or prison!) for the damage they’ve done, so I hope I’m wrong. I think we’re beyond reason and sense in politics these days though. |  |
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| Tory wipeout on 21:37 - Aug 20 with 2199 views | jeera |
| Tory wipeout on 20:54 - Aug 20 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Isn't it great now they can't blame Europe....you can all thank me later. Plus, in terms of leaving the globalist enablers it was always going to be a win/win anyway! |
We are still in the Global market.
Why do you keep suggesting that's changed? |  |
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| Tory wipeout on 21:43 - Aug 20 with 2186 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Tory wipeout on 21:37 - Aug 20 by jeera |
We are still in the Global market.
Why do you keep suggesting that's changed? |
It is being increasingly noticed that the Emperor has no clothes which has to be a good thing. Life is not a market. | |
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| Tory wipeout on 22:02 - Aug 20 with 2106 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Tory wipeout on 14:15 - Aug 20 by Meadowlark |
And when/if we get a Labour landslide, will they make the changes that are required to ensure that the country becomes a democracy? |
PR so that nobody has a wasted vote? I hope so but I doubt it unfortunately, it works too well for the big two parties.
Perhaps a lab-lib coalition and a promise to give us a vote on PR might be a possibility.
My local constituency is 75pc blue team, so might as well stay in and watch Love Island rather than go to the polling station ! | | | |
| Tory wipeout on 22:05 - Aug 20 with 2089 views | Darth_Koont |
| Tory wipeout on 19:08 - Aug 20 by tractordownsouth |
Is this a copy and paste? In the last week, Starmer has committed to freezing energy bills and making the living wage mandatory. |
Oh please.
Do you really think that Starmer is for the many not the few? Even with everything turning to sh1t he’s pitching right. | |
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