| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? 13:32 - Sep 26 with 3824 views | BlueBadger |
Thank goodness we're not stupid enough in this country to allow a far-right loon spouting homophobia, racism and anti EU rhetoric get in.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63029909
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| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 13:33 - Sep 26 with 2227 views | hype313 |
We haven't, but the good news just keeps on coming... |  |
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| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 13:34 - Sep 26 with 2221 views | BlueBadger |
| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 13:33 - Sep 26 by hype313 |
We haven't, but the good news just keeps on coming... |
How long before the usual suspects start praising her as a 'strong' leader? | |
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| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 14:12 - Sep 26 with 2081 views | Churchman |
| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 13:34 - Sep 26 by BlueBadger |
How long before the usual suspects start praising her as a 'strong' leader? |
Ahh, but will she be stable? |  | | |
| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 14:23 - Sep 26 with 2059 views | ElephantintheRoom |
With 26% of the vote. Clearly a mandate from the Italian people |  |
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| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 14:25 - Sep 26 with 2059 views | unbelievablue |
My partner (Italian citizen) didn't receive her ex-pat ballot in time. The whole election has been a bit of a farce, apparently. |  |
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| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 14:50 - Sep 26 with 1992 views | jaykay |
proves italy are well behind the u.s.a.and the u.k. both countries have those sort .one has kicked theirs s out and hopefully we will do the same [Post edited 26 Sep 2022 16:15]
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| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 15:05 - Sep 26 with 1960 views | bluelagos |
Don't know a lot about her, but will wait and see what type of laws they try and introduce. Presume it will be a coalition govt. so would hope the more loopy policies would get ditched.
Still, given we have a govt that has tried to use naval boats to turn back refugees in dinghies, has tried to deport refugees to Rwanda, has limited our rights to protest and in it's latest form is now proposing tax cuts for the wealthiest, pushing fracking and even oil and gas exploration despite not having a mandate for such policies, I guess we are hardly in a position to point at others. |  |
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| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 16:10 - Sep 26 with 1873 views | Ftnfwest |
| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 14:23 - Sep 26 by ElephantintheRoom |
With 26% of the vote. Clearly a mandate from the Italian people |
PR in action |  | | |
| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 16:46 - Sep 26 with 1807 views | HotShotHamish |
Is there a "Nazi" policy of hers you could point us to or do you call everyone right of centre a fascist? | | | |
| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 18:32 - Sep 26 with 1614 views | jeera |
| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 16:46 - Sep 26 by HotShotHamish |
Is there a "Nazi" policy of hers you could point us to or do you call everyone right of centre a fascist? |
One of your stock roll-out replies?
She is the leader of a fascist party.
A candidate of which was recently suspended for praising Hitler.
Does that help? |  |
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| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 18:40 - Sep 26 with 1592 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 16:46 - Sep 26 by HotShotHamish |
Is there a "Nazi" policy of hers you could point us to or do you call everyone right of centre a fascist? |
Not a policy but this is pretty blatant:
‘She has opted therefore for a rebrand, but it is partial. The Brothers of Italy keeps the same logo — an Italian tricolour in the form of a flame — used by the now-defunct neo-fascist Italian Social Movement (MSI), founded in 1946 by such regime supporters as Pino Romualdi, a leading figure in the Fascist party and Giorgio Almirante, who was convicted of collaborating with Nazi troops.’ |  |
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| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 18:41 - Sep 26 with 1576 views | bluelagos |
| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 18:32 - Sep 26 by jeera |
One of your stock roll-out replies?
She is the leader of a fascist party.
A candidate of which was recently suspended for praising Hitler.
Does that help? |
Blimey - even the worst of the Ukippers never went for praising Hitler. Putin maybe, but not Hitler. | |
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| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 18:52 - Sep 26 with 1543 views | HARRY10 |
| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 15:05 - Sep 26 by bluelagos |
Don't know a lot about her, but will wait and see what type of laws they try and introduce. Presume it will be a coalition govt. so would hope the more loopy policies would get ditched.
Still, given we have a govt that has tried to use naval boats to turn back refugees in dinghies, has tried to deport refugees to Rwanda, has limited our rights to protest and in it's latest form is now proposing tax cuts for the wealthiest, pushing fracking and even oil and gas exploration despite not having a mandate for such policies, I guess we are hardly in a position to point at others. |
And therein lies the problem with coalitions. T May put in a vote on fox hunting and a couple of others that were intended to be traded away with the Libdems, as they thought that might be how it ended up.
The point is no party in PR ever explains to voters what is in the manifesto there as a bargaining policy, or what the voters would agree to.
Nope, you vote, and then have an MP fostered on to you, while waiting for a few at the top to decide. Whether you back party X or why and what your lot agree to, which might well go against what you thought you were voting for - ending of student loans (2010).
You might find you are a left leaning Libdem whose vote is used to prop up a rightwing Tory government.
As decisions are binary (yes/no) there is little the junior party can do, but go along with the Senior party, or collapse the government, in which the collapsing party is usually blamed in the following election.
PR is much how brexit was. Portrayed as some magic cure all, where any attempt at pointing out the pitfalls is met with a bleat of "you support FTTP.... baa baa".... ie no explanation is taken on board | | | |
| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 18:54 - Sep 26 with 1551 views | BlueBadger |
| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 16:46 - Sep 26 by HotShotHamish |
Is there a "Nazi" policy of hers you could point us to or do you call everyone right of centre a fascist? |
Ah.
Always one isn't there?
What is it about the Brothers of Italy you like best? The homophobia, the racism, the licking up to Putin, the association with the openly corrupt Silvio Berlusconi or the fact that they literally have their roots with Mussolini? [Post edited 26 Sep 2022 18:57]
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| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 19:11 - Sep 26 with 1501 views | HARRY10 |
| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 16:46 - Sep 26 by HotShotHamish |
Is there a "Nazi" policy of hers you could point us to or do you call everyone right of centre a fascist? |
Praised Italian dictator Benito Mussolini as "a good politician, the best in the last 50 years
Praised Giorgio Almirante, a Nazi collaborator and editor-in-chief of the antisemitic and racist magazine La Difesa della Razza
Declared that the celebration of the Liberation Day, also known as the Anniversary of Italy's Liberation from Nazi-Fascism on 25 April, and Festa della Repubblica, should be ended
Altered her parties flag to include the flame of WW2 fascists
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck .........would be my thought [Post edited 26 Sep 2022 19:16]
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| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 07:10 - Sep 27 with 1247 views | bluelagos |
"Last night, Mr Etheridge stressed to The Mail on Sunday that he had also mentioned other public speakers (Edit. As well as Hitler) in his tutorial. At one point he also name-checked the wartime Italian dictator Benito Mussolini"
Kicked out of the Tory party for posing with a golliwog. PC gone mad. | |
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| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 08:51 - Sep 27 with 1150 views | Radlett_blue |
| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 18:52 - Sep 26 by HARRY10 |
And therein lies the problem with coalitions. T May put in a vote on fox hunting and a couple of others that were intended to be traded away with the Libdems, as they thought that might be how it ended up.
The point is no party in PR ever explains to voters what is in the manifesto there as a bargaining policy, or what the voters would agree to.
Nope, you vote, and then have an MP fostered on to you, while waiting for a few at the top to decide. Whether you back party X or why and what your lot agree to, which might well go against what you thought you were voting for - ending of student loans (2010).
You might find you are a left leaning Libdem whose vote is used to prop up a rightwing Tory government.
As decisions are binary (yes/no) there is little the junior party can do, but go along with the Senior party, or collapse the government, in which the collapsing party is usually blamed in the following election.
PR is much how brexit was. Portrayed as some magic cure all, where any attempt at pointing out the pitfalls is met with a bleat of "you support FTTP.... baa baa".... ie no explanation is taken on board |
Good points on PR, Harry. Some see it as the salvation of our problems as the composition of the Commons then more accurately reflects public opinion. But it also encourages extremist parties, who often then wield power disproportionately greater than their support. Italy is the poster child, with the country getting through more governments than Watford FC get through managers. |  |
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| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 08:58 - Sep 27 with 1133 views | Keno |
although in fairness I like Ulf Kristersson, he has a welsh springer spaniel |  |
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| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 09:04 - Sep 27 with 1124 views | GeoffSentence |
| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 14:50 - Sep 26 by jaykay |
proves italy are well behind the u.s.a.and the u.k. both countries have those sort .one has kicked theirs s out and hopefully we will do the same [Post edited 26 Sep 2022 16:15]
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The Aussies did the same earlier this year. It seems a bit of a theme, populist governments get voted in but get exposed as incompetent, dishonest and corrupt in double-quick time and get voted out at the next opportunity. |  |
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| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 09:04 - Sep 27 with 1121 views | HARRY10 |
| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 08:51 - Sep 27 by Radlett_blue |
Good points on PR, Harry. Some see it as the salvation of our problems as the composition of the Commons then more accurately reflects public opinion. But it also encourages extremist parties, who often then wield power disproportionately greater than their support. Italy is the poster child, with the country getting through more governments than Watford FC get through managers. |
As said, it is pretty much a FPTP system in both houses, so it matters little if the majority is 80, or 8.
If the government wants to reintrduce capital punishment, it does not mean that as there are more opposition MPs due to PR that it will be modified to hanging only on certain days, or for people over a certain age etc. It si Capital puniahment, or not.
And I have yet to meet anyone in favour of PR that has anything but some vague idea that it would be better - and certainly no ifdea that it would mean their MP was imposed on them AFTER they have cast their vote. How is that more democratic ?
Yes, the 1930s UK government (coalition) worked because, as with the war each party was 'around the table' on an equal basis.
That is not what is being proposed with PR.
And as said, the danger with peddling the PR guff is that it is being portrayed as some magic bullet that will resolve the question of having a disproportionate number of MPs in the commons. Whereas that is NOT really tge problem, it goes much deeper than that. | | | |
| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 09:06 - Sep 27 with 1098 views | GeoffSentence |
| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 16:46 - Sep 26 by HotShotHamish |
Is there a "Nazi" policy of hers you could point us to or do you call everyone right of centre a fascist? |
She has expressed her admiration for Mussolini in the past, the original Italian Fascist leader. | |
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| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 09:08 - Sep 27 with 1076 views | Keno |
| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 09:06 - Sep 27 by GeoffSentence |
She has expressed her admiration for Mussolini in the past, the original Italian Fascist leader. |
although, as my daughters Italian boyfriend tells me, Mussolini started of as communist | |
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| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 09:10 - Sep 27 with 1072 views | ElderGrizzly |
| So, have we done the fact that Italy have elected a nazi as their next PM? on 18:54 - Sep 26 by BlueBadger |
Ah.
Always one isn't there?
What is it about the Brothers of Italy you like best? The homophobia, the racism, the licking up to Putin, the association with the openly corrupt Silvio Berlusconi or the fact that they literally have their roots with Mussolini? [Post edited 26 Sep 2022 18:57]
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Berlusconi (who will prop up Meloni) and Murdoch's money are already at work
The perfect take down of course too. |  | | |
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