| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night 09:08 - Nov 18 with 7755 views | bluelagos |
Can anyone up on the arguments explain a bit more please.
One problem with a format like QT is those who speak in the audience don't get more than a few seconds and what they say doesn't get explored/challenged/fact checked.
From the outside it does have the feel of old fashioned ninbyism but am open to persuasion...
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| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 09:26 - Nov 18 with 4136 views | StokieBlue |
A lot of it is nimbyism, there seems to be a list of concerns here:
https://stopsizewellc.org/why-stop-sizewell-c/
The ones around renewables and climate change are missing the point, you need baseline power which can be "always on" to manage the load of the grid.
I especially liked this one:
"It won’t help ‘level up’ the UK. Sites in the north and west would do more to narrow the economic gap. "
Which was then followed by how it would destroy the countryside, clearly they don't care about levelling up but just at the fact it's not built near them.
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| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 09:37 - Nov 18 with 4112 views | nodge_blue |
well off area not liking nuclear power plant continuation shock.
its a necessary evil in the battle v climate change. they will have to suck it up. |  |
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| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 09:45 - Nov 18 with 4079 views | rgp1 |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 09:26 - Nov 18 by StokieBlue |
A lot of it is nimbyism, there seems to be a list of concerns here:
https://stopsizewellc.org/why-stop-sizewell-c/
The ones around renewables and climate change are missing the point, you need baseline power which can be "always on" to manage the load of the grid.
I especially liked this one:
"It won’t help ‘level up’ the UK. Sites in the north and west would do more to narrow the economic gap. "
Which was then followed by how it would destroy the countryside, clearly they don't care about levelling up but just at the fact it's not built near them.
SB |
Anyone would think Homer Simpson is in the control room wouldn't they? |  | | |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 09:45 - Nov 18 with 4081 views | lizzibee |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 09:26 - Nov 18 by StokieBlue |
A lot of it is nimbyism, there seems to be a list of concerns here:
https://stopsizewellc.org/why-stop-sizewell-c/
The ones around renewables and climate change are missing the point, you need baseline power which can be "always on" to manage the load of the grid.
I especially liked this one:
"It won’t help ‘level up’ the UK. Sites in the north and west would do more to narrow the economic gap. "
Which was then followed by how it would destroy the countryside, clearly they don't care about levelling up but just at the fact it's not built near them.
SB |
What I love most about their opposition, is that they are using so many media platforms to show their disgust, all using devices that require electricity to charge them. And I am sure many have electric cars and will drive to Sizewell to protest. How do they thing we are going to source electricity? Its needed and it needs to go somewhere and affect someone | | | |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 09:46 - Nov 18 with 4073 views | Sarge |
There are better options for baseline power generation but unfortunately they currently have longer lead times than Sizewell C and until they can be scaled up sufficiently to provide most of the load themselves it will always be a mixture required, into which nuclear plays a big part. A quick look at gridwatch will ram home just how reliant we currently are on natural gas. | | | |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 09:50 - Nov 18 with 4046 views | Pinewoodblue |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 09:26 - Nov 18 by StokieBlue |
A lot of it is nimbyism, there seems to be a list of concerns here:
https://stopsizewellc.org/why-stop-sizewell-c/
The ones around renewables and climate change are missing the point, you need baseline power which can be "always on" to manage the load of the grid.
I especially liked this one:
"It won’t help ‘level up’ the UK. Sites in the north and west would do more to narrow the economic gap. "
Which was then followed by how it would destroy the countryside, clearly they don't care about levelling up but just at the fact it's not built near them.
SB |
Nothing against Sizewell C but some concerns regarding linking it, and new off shore wind farms, to the National Grid.
Proposal is that much of it will be by Pylons rather than underground.
Would also like to see some benefit to Suffolk by means of improved infrastructure. By passes on A12 and Ipswich northern route. |  |
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| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 09:51 - Nov 18 with 4027 views | StokieBlue |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 09:50 - Nov 18 by Pinewoodblue |
Nothing against Sizewell C but some concerns regarding linking it, and new off shore wind farms, to the National Grid.
Proposal is that much of it will be by Pylons rather than underground.
Would also like to see some benefit to Suffolk by means of improved infrastructure. By passes on A12 and Ipswich northern route. |
Why would pylons be a concern?
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| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 09:55 - Nov 18 with 4012 views | bluelagos |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 09:51 - Nov 18 by StokieBlue |
Why would pylons be a concern?
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There's a whole lot of noise at the moment opposing a planned load of large pylons running through parts of Dedham vale. The opposition is largely of the "eye sore" variety rather than safety.
Pretty much the same arguments largely being used against onshore wind farms. | |
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| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 09:58 - Nov 18 with 4005 views | bluelagos |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 09:55 - Nov 18 by bluelagos |
There's a whole lot of noise at the moment opposing a planned load of large pylons running through parts of Dedham vale. The opposition is largely of the "eye sore" variety rather than safety.
Pretty much the same arguments largely being used against onshore wind farms. |
See attached
http://pylonseastanglia.co.uk/ | |
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| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 10:19 - Nov 18 with 3969 views | JimmyJazz |
In regards to a specific site, Sizewell / Suffolk was always considered a location where there wouldn't be that much 'noisy' opposition. That was certainly the case around Sizewell B in the 80's. I do see it as NINBYism but I also think that the fact there is some oposition isn't a bad thing |  |
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| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 10:30 - Nov 18 with 3940 views | Mookamoo |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 09:50 - Nov 18 by Pinewoodblue |
Nothing against Sizewell C but some concerns regarding linking it, and new off shore wind farms, to the National Grid.
Proposal is that much of it will be by Pylons rather than underground.
Would also like to see some benefit to Suffolk by means of improved infrastructure. By passes on A12 and Ipswich northern route. |
Its going to have a huge knock on effect on transport, and will cause irreparable damage to Minsmere. Plus add on that planned large substation at Leiston and the Sunnica solar energy farm - Suffolk is going to take a hit in the next few years.
Perhaps its just Anglia's turn to take the brunt of energy development. We've been happy all the coal fired power stations were somewhere else. |  | | |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 10:35 - Nov 18 with 3913 views | StokieBlue |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 10:30 - Nov 18 by Mookamoo |
Its going to have a huge knock on effect on transport, and will cause irreparable damage to Minsmere. Plus add on that planned large substation at Leiston and the Sunnica solar energy farm - Suffolk is going to take a hit in the next few years.
Perhaps its just Anglia's turn to take the brunt of energy development. We've been happy all the coal fired power stations were somewhere else. |
Minsmere is beautiful but it's going to get even more destroyed if we keep using polluting energy sources.
Wouldn't it be the other side of Minsmere where the exist station is? I would need to look at the plans.
You're right, everyone is going to have to take a hit on these things regardless of location going forward.
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| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 10:41 - Nov 18 with 3900 views | DecageBruce |
I must admit that for me the highlight of last nights QT was during the last question about the WC in Qatar. When going back to the audience the member asked/or stated something further about Sizewell and FB told her that they had finished that topic and were staying with football.
Cut to unamused audience member mutter to the person next to them 'for football' |  | | |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 11:01 - Nov 18 with 3826 views | soupytwist |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 10:19 - Nov 18 by JimmyJazz |
In regards to a specific site, Sizewell / Suffolk was always considered a location where there wouldn't be that much 'noisy' opposition. That was certainly the case around Sizewell B in the 80's. I do see it as NINBYism but I also think that the fact there is some oposition isn't a bad thing |
There was some organised opposition from the Ipswich Greenpeace/hippy/vegetarian crowd (precursors of the wokerati I suppose).
My aunt, who lived in Cemetery Road at the time, had a big 'Say no to Sizewell B' poster in her kitchen. She's obviously not happy about Sizewell C either. |  | | |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 11:08 - Nov 18 with 3803 views | StokieBlue |
It's unfortunately if the pylons go through your view but we need the offshore wind power so it's going to be tough luck for some people.
I actually think onshore wind turbines are quite pretty and often can improve the landscape.
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| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 11:17 - Nov 18 with 3774 views | bluelagos |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 11:08 - Nov 18 by StokieBlue |
It's unfortunately if the pylons go through your view but we need the offshore wind power so it's going to be tough luck for some people.
I actually think onshore wind turbines are quite pretty and often can improve the landscape.
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We just seem to have an inbuilt issue with people not wanting anything to change in their local areas. In London you even now have people campaigning against low traffic neighbourhoods ffs.
Where I live we have no street lights and when I asked why was told "only outsiders want street lights". These people are in the majority of residents as becomes clear the minute any housing developments are proposed.
Fiik what the answer is. | |
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| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 11:18 - Nov 18 with 3772 views | Mookamoo |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 10:35 - Nov 18 by StokieBlue |
Minsmere is beautiful but it's going to get even more destroyed if we keep using polluting energy sources.
Wouldn't it be the other side of Minsmere where the exist station is? I would need to look at the plans.
You're right, everyone is going to have to take a hit on these things regardless of location going forward.
SB |
It has to built now, but there is a direct cost to wildlife in that area. From what I've seen the Sizewell C site is as large as A&B together. One main issue I have is Sizewell A hasn't produced anything since 2005 and isn't going to get removed until 2099 with potential for redevelopment in 2125. The Suffolk coast is going to be changing quite significantly over the next few years. Plus, the offshore has to come onshore at some point too and all the proposals are pretty extensive for those areas.
The answer is to share the load. I'm working on a pilot consultation document with a organisation that is engaging with (an unnamed) Suffolk village to identify local areas that will take renewable projects. The idea is it will no longer be a case of not here, but where would you like them. I went to Norway a few years back and most of the villages had their own turbine - that kind of smaller local impacts. | | | |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 11:22 - Nov 18 with 3762 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 11:17 - Nov 18 by bluelagos |
We just seem to have an inbuilt issue with people not wanting anything to change in their local areas. In London you even now have people campaigning against low traffic neighbourhoods ffs.
Where I live we have no street lights and when I asked why was told "only outsiders want street lights". These people are in the majority of residents as becomes clear the minute any housing developments are proposed.
Fiik what the answer is. |
Any resident of any village who campaigns against new housing development but lives in a house along with others that were build in the last 50 years should really think about what they're doing..... |  |
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| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 11:46 - Nov 18 with 3714 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Its a bit like having an extension being built next door only going on for a decade and 1000 x worse. I do not know how well you know Sizewell but the surrounding roads beloved by weekenders on bicycles are not conducive to construction traffic as the locals found out the last time. And the time before that.
Add on the absurd cost, the fact that it won’t come on line for decades and that rising sea levels will swamp Suffolk with radioactivity should make it a non-starter - as with most things there are lower cost alternatives in other peoples back yards. | |
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| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 12:00 - Nov 18 with 3669 views | EdwardStone |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 11:46 - Nov 18 by ElephantintheRoom |
Its a bit like having an extension being built next door only going on for a decade and 1000 x worse. I do not know how well you know Sizewell but the surrounding roads beloved by weekenders on bicycles are not conducive to construction traffic as the locals found out the last time. And the time before that.
Add on the absurd cost, the fact that it won’t come on line for decades and that rising sea levels will swamp Suffolk with radioactivity should make it a non-starter - as with most things there are lower cost alternatives in other peoples back yards. |
Indeed Mr Pachyderm
The cost of this wonderful new shiny monstrosity will be beyond crazy.
Far better we spend the cash on rolls of rockwool and a serious attempt at demand reduction
And spend the change on some small scale local generation that will be flexible and adaptable to future needs in a way that a giant reactor will never be.
Small scale methane generation from waste/sewage? Small scale hydroelectric or tidal?
So many possibilities, so little political vision [Post edited 18 Nov 2022 14:18]
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| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 12:15 - Nov 18 with 3610 views | itfcjoe |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 11:22 - Nov 18 by Ewan_Oozami |
Any resident of any village who campaigns against new housing development but lives in a house along with others that were build in the last 50 years should really think about what they're doing..... |
A person who lives in the woods is a do gooder conservationist
A person who wants to build a house in the woods is a nasty developer
One can't exist without the other though |  |
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| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 12:19 - Nov 18 with 3586 views | EdwardStone |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 11:22 - Nov 18 by Ewan_Oozami |
Any resident of any village who campaigns against new housing development but lives in a house along with others that were build in the last 50 years should really think about what they're doing..... |
The currently planning system is fair and balanced because it allows for opponents to a scheme a chance to air their grievances
The only slight change I would make to the current system is to exclude 2 groups from protesting against any new housing scheme
1 Anyone who already lives in a house
2 Anyone over 50 years old
That should speed up the planning process a little | | | |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 12:21 - Nov 18 with 3581 views | WeWereZombies |
| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 12:15 - Nov 18 by itfcjoe |
A person who lives in the woods is a do gooder conservationist
A person who wants to build a house in the woods is a nasty developer
One can't exist without the other though |
A person who plants the right trees in the right place for the right reasons is much more useful than either of them.
https://www.woodlandtrust.org.uk/blog/2020/07/tackling-climate-change-right-tree |  |
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| A lot of opposition to Sizewell C on QT last night on 13:03 - Nov 18 with 3499 views | N2_Blue |
Isn't much of the opposition due to the fact that the technology is already kind of outdated.
France have several facilities to what Sizewell C will be and many of them are offline and unable to produce power.
SO i think the issue is why we are putting so much resource in to something that is going to take years and when complete could almost be redundant or not have a very good shelf life.
More focus on renewables needed. |  |
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