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So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! 08:51 - Feb 28 with 3468 views

NI now has full access to both UK and EU markets? Is that correct?

Leading arch leave loon Steve Baker to say:
“What an extraordinary opportunity for Northern Ireland: dual access to both markets.”

And leader Rishi to say:
“ “Northern Ireland has this very special position, where it has access to the UK market, it has access to the EU market - which makes it an incredibly attractive place to invest.”

I mean this is rather surreal isn’t it?!

Is it also true NI ‘citizens’ have free movement in the EU as well ?!!?

That’s what we all want.

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So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 09:01 - Feb 28 with 2347 views

bluelagos

Was quite remarkable for an arch Brexiteer like Baker state being in the single market was "a great opportunity"

No idea on free movement for NI citizens. They have had the right to green passports (for being born in NI) for a while, though not many Unionists would be happy going down that route.

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[checks house prices in NI]

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So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 09:11 - Feb 28 with 2311 views

DJR

NI already had full access to both markets under the Protocol, and my understanding is that trade had already benefited as a result, and that business in NI was very content with the position.

The issue (which I think was exaggerated by the DUP) was that certain goods etc passing from GB to NI faced checks and the like.

On free movements, those born in Northern Ireland have the right to an Irish passport which confers that right. And Irish citizens have for a century had the right to live and work in the UK (as British citizens have the right to live and work in Ireland).

[Post edited 28 Feb 2023 9:13]

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 09:12 - Feb 28 with 2303 views

MattinLondon

Is it a possibility that those comments by the PM means that he now realises how important the single market is? Maybe positioning the UK to join it sooner rather than later?

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 09:23 - Feb 28 with 2261 views

Keno

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 09:11 - Feb 28 by DJR

[Post edited 28 Feb 2023 9:13]

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DJR

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 09:12 - Feb 28 by MattinLondon
Is it a possibility that those comments by the PM means that he now realises how important the single market is? Maybe positioning the UK to join it sooner rather than later?

It may at least usher in a period of greater trust between the EU and the UK which can't be bad, but I don't think we are looking any time soon at rejoining the single market.

At the end of the day, changes to the NI Protocol are really only relevant to goods etc passing from GB to the UK, and nothing discussed yesterday changes the fact that trade between the EU and the UK is much more difficult than it once was because of the hard Brexit that we opted for.

And of course the changes yesterday can be dressed up as strengthening the UK, something that would be much more difficult for changes to the arrangements between the UK and the EU.

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 09:27 - Feb 28 with 2227 views

DJR

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 09:23 - Feb 28 by Keno

You lucky man, you!

Oh, for an Irish or Northern Irish parent or grandparent.

[Post edited 28 Feb 2023 9:30]

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 09:41 - Feb 28 with 2105 views

Keno

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 09:27 - Feb 28 by DJR
You lucky man, you! Oh, for an Irish or Northern Irish parent or grandparent. [Post edited 28 Feb 2023 9:30]

maybe I could adopt you?

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Ryorry

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 09:27 - Feb 28 by DJR
You lucky man, you! Oh, for an Irish or Northern Irish parent or grandparent. [Post edited 28 Feb 2023 9:30]

It’s like ppl constantly posting pics of full supermarket shelves in France, Spain etc though, saying “no problem for us living here”. Just rubs our noses in it.


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So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 09:43 - Feb 28 with 2095 views

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So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 09:11 - Feb 28 by DJR

[Post edited 28 Feb 2023 9:13]

Common Travel Area (CTA) pre dates the EU. It allows Eire citizens to work in the U.K. and visa versa. It means access to healthcare, rights, privileges for both including the right to vote in some elections. A very sensible arrangement.

CTA was only ever about people, but over the years there was a certain amount of ‘mission creep’ which allowed things like easy transfer of horses to Cheltenham, pets, white van stuff, generally a relaxed approach. A good thing.

Brexit meant that the agreement was unaffected but the other stuff that was allowed went out of the window.

It’s all nonsense really. As the proposer of the single market, signatory to CTA the benefits of free movement have been known for decades - except to the swivel eyed minority whose grasp of history is as poor as its grasp of economics.

I’ve no doubt Sunak’s agreement will be picked apart by the self styled ERG (who never did a second’s research on anything) dimwits and the DuP Neanderthals but in a sense it doesn’t matter. It is as I see it the first step towards some sort of sensible agreement and long term entry back into the single market. Rarely optimistic, I kind of am on this. Sunak is clearly trying to build decent relationship with the EU and so will Starmer - a refreshing change from his belligerent predecessors.

It’s a start.

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 09:46 - Feb 28 with 2064 views

DJR

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 09:41 - Feb 28 by Keno
maybe I could adopt you?

Sounds good to me.

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 10:07 - Feb 28 with 1978 views

BlueBadger

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 09:42 - Feb 28 by Ryorry
It’s like ppl constantly posting pics of full supermarket shelves in France, Spain etc though, saying “no problem for us living here”. Just rubs our noses in it.

I'm getting a certain amount of twisted enjoyment outing of listening/watching various news outlets tying to find new ways of saying 'Brexit has nothing to do with this' when talking about current food shortages.

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So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 10:16 - Feb 28 with 1939 views

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So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 09:23 - Feb 28 by Keno

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leitrimblue

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 10:07 - Feb 28 by BlueBadger
I'm getting a certain amount of twisted enjoyment outing of listening/watching various news outlets tying to find new ways of saying 'Brexit has nothing to do with this' when talking about current food shortages.

No shortage of tomatoes in Co Leitrim or just across border in Enniskillen strangely enough.....

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! (n/t) on 10:21 - Feb 28 with 1903 views

Pinewoodblue

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 10:07 - Feb 28 by BlueBadger
I'm getting a certain amount of twisted enjoyment outing of listening/watching various news outlets tying to find new ways of saying 'Brexit has nothing to do with this' when talking about current food shortages.

Anyone who says Brexit isn’t a contributing factor is an idiot, but it isn’t the full reason.

Many tomato growers in Europe have cut production due to high energy costs, Sweden used to produce several hundred tonnes of toms but have ceased production completely.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230227-as-uk-supermarkets-ration-fruits-and

[Post edited 28 Feb 2023 10:24]

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noggin

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! (n/t) on 10:21 - Feb 28 by Pinewoodblue
Anyone who says Brexit isn’t a contributing factor is an idiot, but it isn’t the full reason. Many tomato growers in Europe have cut production due to high energy costs, Sweden used to produce several hundred tonnes of toms but have ceased production completely. https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230227-as-uk-supermarkets-ration-fruits-and [Post edited 28 Feb 2023 10:24]

No shortages here ðŸ¤·â€â™‚ï¸

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So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 10:16 - Feb 28 by noggin

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Basically we were half in the EU before Brexit and after it we’re now half out.

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So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 12:43 - Feb 28 with 1598 views

ElderGrizzly

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 09:12 - Feb 28 by MattinLondon
Is it a possibility that those comments by the PM means that he now realises how important the single market is? Maybe positioning the UK to join it sooner rather than later?

We are in comedy territory now. Literally Sunak is boasting about something he has taken away from the rest of the UK

A deal which MPs once hailed as brilliant is now trashed by the same MPs and replaced by a new deal which is hailed as brilliant because it gives NI the advantages that the UK decided to take away from itself. Good to see that Brexit continues to make so sense whatsoever.
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The near universal welcome to Sunakâ€™s deal - credit to him - recognising it gives NI full access to both UK and EU single markets is telling. An implicit recognition of the catastrophic error of Brexit, the urgent need for a reset and repudiation of Johnson et al. A good day.
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[Post edited 28 Feb 2023 12:50]

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 12:56 - Feb 28 with 1542 views

Ryorry

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 12:43 - Feb 28 by ElderGrizzly

We are in comedy territory now. Literally Sunak is boasting about something he has taken away from the rest of the UK

A deal which MPs once hailed as brilliant is now trashed by the same MPs and replaced by a new deal which is hailed as brilliant because it gives NI the advantages that the UK decided to take away from itself. Good to see that Brexit continues to make so sense whatsoever.
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The near universal welcome to Sunakâ€™s deal - credit to him - recognising it gives NI full access to both UK and EU single markets is telling. An implicit recognition of the catastrophic error of Brexit, the urgent need for a reset and repudiation of Johnson et al. A good day.
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[Post edited 28 Feb 2023 12:50]

In effect, he & other tory crims are bragging about putting out a very small part of a very large bonfire that he & they were complicit in starting. Sickening.


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So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 09:42 - Feb 28 by Ryorry
It’s like ppl constantly posting pics of full supermarket shelves in France, Spain etc though, saying “no problem for us living here”. Just rubs our noses in it.

Well if people are going to say, "Yeah but it's not just brexit"....
Brexit seems to be the only factor, if EU countries are not suffering shortages.

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So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 13:04 - Feb 28 with 1519 views

Swansea_Blue

the UK is utterly insane

Here’s a bit more on Sunak pointing out how stupid we’ve been

'Northern Ireland is in the unbelievably special position - unique position in the entire world - in having privileged access not just to the UK marketâ€¦ but also the EU single market'

'Nobody else has that. No one. Only you guys, only hereâ€™

Rishi Sunak hails his Brexit deal pic.twitter.com/StDkAV57qm
— ITV News Politics (@ITVNewsPolitics) February 28, 2023

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Blueschev

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 13:04 - Feb 28 by Swansea_Blue

the UK is utterly insane

Here’s a bit more on Sunak pointing out how stupid we’ve been

'Northern Ireland is in the unbelievably special position - unique position in the entire world - in having privileged access not just to the UK marketâ€¦ but also the EU single market'

'Nobody else has that. No one. Only you guys, only hereâ€™

Rishi Sunak hails his Brexit deal pic.twitter.com/StDkAV57qm
— ITV News Politics (@ITVNewsPolitics) February 28, 2023

Surely this lunacy is the final nail in the coffin for these fools? It's either they think that the general public are completely thick, or they're completely thick.

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ThisIsMyUsername

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 13:04 - Feb 28 by Swansea_Blue

the UK is utterly insane

Here’s a bit more on Sunak pointing out how stupid we’ve been

'Northern Ireland is in the unbelievably special position - unique position in the entire world - in having privileged access not just to the UK marketâ€¦ but also the EU single market'

'Nobody else has that. No one. Only you guys, only hereâ€™

Rishi Sunak hails his Brexit deal pic.twitter.com/StDkAV57qm
— ITV News Politics (@ITVNewsPolitics) February 28, 2023

So are NI residents getting freedom of movement within the EU now or is this still to be confirmed?

If so then 'at least' it's only the English, Scottish and Welsh who are now missing out on this previously enjoyed right and benefit.(Sarcasm).

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DJR

So can I clarify this EU Northern Ireland deal?! on 13:04 - Feb 28 by Swansea_Blue

the UK is utterly insane

Here’s a bit more on Sunak pointing out how stupid we’ve been

'Northern Ireland is in the unbelievably special position - unique position in the entire world - in having privileged access not just to the UK marketâ€¦ but also the EU single market'

'Nobody else has that. No one. Only you guys, only hereâ€™

Rishi Sunak hails his Brexit deal pic.twitter.com/StDkAV57qm
— ITV News Politics (@ITVNewsPolitics) February 28, 2023

They also had that before Brexit, and also before the proposed changes to the Protocol.

[Post edited 28 Feb 2023 13:33]

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