| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? 21:35 - Apr 30 with 7243 views | noggin |
He has no idea about the struggles of ordinary working people, does he? |  |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 21:40 - Apr 30 with 3666 views | pointofblue |
I could see him running the Conservative Party in a simialr vain to Cameron. Doesn't strike me as a Labour leader at all. |  |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 21:43 - Apr 30 with 3648 views | NthQldITFC |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 21:40 - Apr 30 by pointofblue |
I could see him running the Conservative Party in a simialr vain to Cameron. Doesn't strike me as a Labour leader at all. |
New referendum? |  |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 21:51 - Apr 30 with 3623 views | pointofblue |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 21:43 - Apr 30 by NthQldITFC |
New referendum? |
What on, though? Welsh independence? | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 22:12 - Apr 30 with 3571 views | factual_blue |
He's the son of a toolmaker and a chronically ill nurse, so I think he probably does. |  |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 07:05 - May 1 with 3408 views | thebooks |
He was very leftwing as a student, and as Factual says has solid family credentials.
The road to the Labour right is a well-tread one, though. Such a shame — a real missed opportunity to actually try and fix things. |  | | |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 08:27 - May 1 with 3351 views | Mullet |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 22:12 - Apr 30 by factual_blue |
He's the son of a toolmaker and a chronically ill nurse, so I think he probably does. |
It's a bit odd, given Corbyn's background is about as stereotypically middle class as you get. Personal judgements like this are odd and a slippery slope.
Short of sending people to gulags and photoshopping the past, I'm not sure KS will ever be "left wing" enough now for those still clinging to the fantasies of a few years ago. |  |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 08:44 - May 1 with 3310 views | DJR |
One factor is that Starmer does not have a political grounding in same way as most politicians because he came to politics late.
This makes me feel that he is lacking in strong principles or convictions and is thus far too reliant on his advisers.
More generally, I might add that it is not clear to me that Labour are cutting through in Kent, where I live. My council (traditionally true blue) was held by a Labour/Lib Dem coalition in 1997, but this time round Labour will come a distant third behind the Tories and Greens. And in 1997 Labour had 4 or 5 MPs in Kent, when I rather doubt at the next election they will add to their one seat (in Canterbury, a university town), if latest polling for the local elections, which shows the Tory vote going up in Dartford, is anything to go by. [Post edited 1 May 2023 9:03]
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 09:25 - May 1 with 3264 views | noggin |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 22:12 - Apr 30 by factual_blue |
He's the son of a toolmaker and a chronically ill nurse, so I think he probably does. |
But refused to back striking workers and banned his colleagues from joining picket lines in their own constituencies. | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 09:40 - May 1 with 3171 views | Mullet |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 08:44 - May 1 by DJR |
One factor is that Starmer does not have a political grounding in same way as most politicians because he came to politics late.
This makes me feel that he is lacking in strong principles or convictions and is thus far too reliant on his advisers.
More generally, I might add that it is not clear to me that Labour are cutting through in Kent, where I live. My council (traditionally true blue) was held by a Labour/Lib Dem coalition in 1997, but this time round Labour will come a distant third behind the Tories and Greens. And in 1997 Labour had 4 or 5 MPs in Kent, when I rather doubt at the next election they will add to their one seat (in Canterbury, a university town), if latest polling for the local elections, which shows the Tory vote going up in Dartford, is anything to go by. [Post edited 1 May 2023 9:03]
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Conversely, can you not argue he's not a career politician or hunting the gravy train life?
I think we will see a much greater spread of votes this next GE. More extreme right wing votes, Green votes etc will split the electorate.
There's a "stop the tories" website/app coming back to prominence for these local elections, but I can't imagine it'll cut through with anyone who isn't already committedly anti-Tory. | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 09:44 - May 1 with 3152 views | chicoazul |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 21:40 - Apr 30 by pointofblue |
I could see him running the Conservative Party in a simialr vain to Cameron. Doesn't strike me as a Labour leader at all. |
What I think you’re mistaking here is Cameron for a conservative. |  |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 09:50 - May 1 with 3113 views | DJR |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 09:40 - May 1 by Mullet |
Conversely, can you not argue he's not a career politician or hunting the gravy train life?
I think we will see a much greater spread of votes this next GE. More extreme right wing votes, Green votes etc will split the electorate.
There's a "stop the tories" website/app coming back to prominence for these local elections, but I can't imagine it'll cut through with anyone who isn't already committedly anti-Tory. |
That's a fair point.
As regards "stop the tories" websites, I am not sure they will work for the local elections, but hopefully they will have some impact when it comes to the general election. [Post edited 1 May 2023 9:50]
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 10:10 - May 1 with 3063 views | Darth_Koont |
His and the Labour right’s role is to shore up the left side of the establishment and protect vested and state interests. There are no coherent progressive policies or genuine Opposition to the status quo however much people like to pretend they exist.
That’s why he had to lie to the Labour members to get elected leader.
For those saying Better than the Tories, that’s debatable. But largely missing the point of where we’re still heading as a country and how the majority are getting increasingly shafted by the status quo. |  |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 10:54 - May 1 with 2959 views | Zapers |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 09:25 - May 1 by noggin |
But refused to back striking workers and banned his colleagues from joining picket lines in their own constituencies. |
Do you want him to win a general election, or would you prefer to tie his hands behind his back. | | | |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 11:56 - May 1 with 2878 views | Clutch |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 08:44 - May 1 by DJR |
One factor is that Starmer does not have a political grounding in same way as most politicians because he came to politics late.
This makes me feel that he is lacking in strong principles or convictions and is thus far too reliant on his advisers.
More generally, I might add that it is not clear to me that Labour are cutting through in Kent, where I live. My council (traditionally true blue) was held by a Labour/Lib Dem coalition in 1997, but this time round Labour will come a distant third behind the Tories and Greens. And in 1997 Labour had 4 or 5 MPs in Kent, when I rather doubt at the next election they will add to their one seat (in Canterbury, a university town), if latest polling for the local elections, which shows the Tory vote going up in Dartford, is anything to go by. [Post edited 1 May 2023 9:03]
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That makes no sense at all.
Coming to politics after a proper career means he is not a career politician who is far removed from the real world and has no actual strength in conviction. |  | | |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 12:13 - May 1 with 2849 views | DJR |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 11:56 - May 1 by Clutch |
That makes no sense at all.
Coming to politics after a proper career means he is not a career politician who is far removed from the real world and has no actual strength in conviction. |
I certainly don't like those politicians who have never done a day's ordinary work, but many have experience as councillors or have stood in unwinnable seats, and so have some political grounding or nous before they become MPa.
I am not sure that is the case with Starmer, and my MP is a similar case in point. He was not involved in politics at all before being selected as a candidate, although his military background made him certain to be selected.
I say this as someone who has seen him in action in local hustings, where he tends to come out with complete nonsense, and can't think on his feet. Indeed, evidence of his hopelessness was an appearance on the Week In Westminster three or so years ago, where his big idea was a return the wider share ownership policies championed by Mrs Thatcher.
However, he looks the part, and rather frighteningly now attends Cabinet. [Post edited 1 May 2023 15:34]
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 12:35 - May 1 with 2825 views | pointofblue |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 10:54 - May 1 by Zapers |
Do you want him to win a general election, or would you prefer to tie his hands behind his back. |
I’m honestly wondering what the difference would be to Sunak winning again. Despite being more right wing than any Labour government of the past, at least Blair’s government did have a vision to improve the country, even if it wasn’t enough of a step. This lot… | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 13:16 - May 1 with 2768 views | Darth_Koont |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 12:35 - May 1 by pointofblue |
I’m honestly wondering what the difference would be to Sunak winning again. Despite being more right wing than any Labour government of the past, at least Blair’s government did have a vision to improve the country, even if it wasn’t enough of a step. This lot… |
Tend to agree.
Clearly, there’s no way the Tories should be rewarded with more years in charge. But that could have been said in 2015, 2017 and 2019 over austerity, self-interest, Brexit etc. so that’s just as clearly never been taken seriously.
Now we move onto a 2024 election where both parties are offering austerity, self-interest and Brexit. Again with little to no concern for the majority and the social-economic reality of the UK.
Our political system, backed up by a self-interested media that mirrors them in supporting the status quo and not caring about the underlying issues, is simply not fit for purpose. The general public needs to get angrier and start calling them out on this nonsense – and shouldn’t be lured into thinking any of these clowns have their interests at heart. | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 13:53 - May 1 with 2695 views | lowhouseblue |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 13:16 - May 1 by Darth_Koont |
Tend to agree.
Clearly, there’s no way the Tories should be rewarded with more years in charge. But that could have been said in 2015, 2017 and 2019 over austerity, self-interest, Brexit etc. so that’s just as clearly never been taken seriously.
Now we move onto a 2024 election where both parties are offering austerity, self-interest and Brexit. Again with little to no concern for the majority and the social-economic reality of the UK.
Our political system, backed up by a self-interested media that mirrors them in supporting the status quo and not caring about the underlying issues, is simply not fit for purpose. The general public needs to get angrier and start calling them out on this nonsense – and shouldn’t be lured into thinking any of these clowns have their interests at heart. |
seriously, find a party you support (the greens, respect, the workers party of great britain?), commit to their programme (perhaps it doesn't represent all of your views to the nth degree, but otherwise you'll have to be in a party of one), then come back and tell us how many mps they've elected and what in the country they have changed in the slightest. beyond that you're just pompous waffle. |  |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 15:19 - May 1 with 2571 views | chicoazul |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 13:53 - May 1 by lowhouseblue |
seriously, find a party you support (the greens, respect, the workers party of great britain?), commit to their programme (perhaps it doesn't represent all of your views to the nth degree, but otherwise you'll have to be in a party of one), then come back and tell us how many mps they've elected and what in the country they have changed in the slightest. beyond that you're just pompous waffle. |
But he’s not wrong is he? You can disagree with the minutiae but the fundamentals of his argument are true. Labour and the Tories are the same. He thinks they’re right wing, I think they’re left wing, but it’s still true. | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 15:40 - May 1 with 2499 views | pointofblue |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 15:19 - May 1 by chicoazul |
But he’s not wrong is he? You can disagree with the minutiae but the fundamentals of his argument are true. Labour and the Tories are the same. He thinks they’re right wing, I think they’re left wing, but it’s still true. |
You think Labour and the Conservatives are left wing? | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 15:47 - May 1 with 2476 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 22:12 - Apr 30 by factual_blue |
He's the son of a toolmaker and a chronically ill nurse, so I think he probably does. |
My view is that he did have much more empathy than he appears to have now. I think he is leading a chase to squeeze the Tory support to ensure an election win. Unfortunately, it is taking the party further away from what it traditionally stands for. I can understand why, especially as Corbyn's policies proved unattractive to sufficient of the electorate, but it is sad. I don't think I will be voting Labour next election. But in a constituency where it is Tory or Labour for the seat, I might still do so. |  |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:11 - May 1 with 2411 views | noggin |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 13:53 - May 1 by lowhouseblue |
seriously, find a party you support (the greens, respect, the workers party of great britain?), commit to their programme (perhaps it doesn't represent all of your views to the nth degree, but otherwise you'll have to be in a party of one), then come back and tell us how many mps they've elected and what in the country they have changed in the slightest. beyond that you're just pompous waffle. |
Lol. So accept the status quo or shut up. Britain is great! | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:12 - May 1 with 2405 views | chicoazul |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 15:40 - May 1 by pointofblue |
You think Labour and the Conservatives are left wing? |
Most sincerely I do yes. | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:13 - May 1 with 2392 views | noggin |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:12 - May 1 by chicoazul |
Most sincerely I do yes. |
May I ask how much you earn annually? | |
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| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:15 - May 1 with 2386 views | chicoazul |
| Why did Kier Starmer join the Labour Party? on 16:13 - May 1 by noggin |
May I ask how much you earn annually? |
About 30 grand a year now. | |
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