| Ahadme 14:23 - May 22 with 4347 views | FrimleyBlue |
Whats everyone's thoughts here?
Was it just a last minute panic signing. Or do you think KM/recruitment team genuinely see something that could be developed for championship level football. |  |
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| Ahadme on 14:29 - May 22 with 4273 views | Steve_M |
There's definitely potential there, not sure that's much above bottom-end Championship though and really can't see him having a role for us next season.
For all the plaudits our transfer business has received this one is right out of the randomness of Summer 2021, especially given we signed an unfit Camara at the same time. [Post edited 22 May 2023 15:38]
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| Ahadme on 14:34 - May 22 with 4216 views | Dubtractor |
| Ahadme on 14:29 - May 22 by Steve_M |
There's definitely potential there, not sure that's much above bottom-end Championship though and really can't see him having a role for us next season.
For all the plaudits our transfer business has received this one is right out of the randomness of Summer 2021, especially given we signed an unfit Camara at the same time. [Post edited 22 May 2023 15:38]
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Yep, we've rightly praised the good business we've done, but this looked like a last minute panic signing at the time, and seems even more so now.
In fairness, he does have the athleticism we demand for that role, but nothing like the technical ability.
At least with Camara we know there is a decent player there, albeit not much use if unable to get him fit. |  |
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| Ahadme on 14:39 - May 22 with 4171 views | xrayspecs |
Not sure either were panic buys. Both on paper have pedigree. Camara was one of the best midfield players in L1 before he got injured. And Ahadme was young, physical and already scoring goals in L1.
I suspect this was more a case of we had space in the squad, they gave us squad depth and neither were significant outlays. |  | | |
| Ahadme on 14:40 - May 22 with 4156 views | jayessess |
Panic is probably the wrong word?
I think we got to the end of the window and had to choose between various options that were all going to be gambles. We had the option of players like Will Osula or Jay Stansfield, both teenagers on their first loan and we had the option of Ahadme. He looked like he could mix it in League One, had the physical attributes we were looking for in a striker and if he kicked on at the end of the season we'd own an asset rather than have a key contributor disappear back to a parent club for nothing.
Can see why we went for him, especially with TJJ already in the building.
I think he'll be one of several players we'll assess in pre-season and then look to send out on loan. [Post edited 22 May 2023 14:47]
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| Ahadme on 14:45 - May 22 with 4119 views | nodge_blue |
Ive only seen him play 10 minutes. When i thought he had a very odd running style. With his elbows jutting out.
He didnt look very good. But then neither did keith o more (sic). |  |
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| Ahadme on 14:46 - May 22 with 4113 views | itfcjoe |
Won't be a surprise to see him never play for us again - best hope is he gets a decent L1 spell under his belt next season and gives us something to think about |  |
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| Ahadme on 14:54 - May 22 with 4032 views | Herbivore |
I don't think it was a panic signing as such. We needed another body up front and he looked a decent and cheap gamble. His closing down against us gave our defence fits and McKenna loves that kind of workrate from a centre forward. He'd scored a few goals at this level as well. Of course he was very raw and unlikely to be challenging for a start straight away but I imagine we saw raw materials we could work with. Unfortunately he picked up a serious injury that meant he missed a load of football and the opportunity to get some coaching into him. By the time he was fit, his development was a much lower priority for us and so we shipped him out on loan. Would he ever have been good enough? Possibly not, but he's been a bit unlucky as well. |  |
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| Ahadme on 15:02 - May 22 with 3965 views | PhilTWTD |
Think he'll be on his way. We need better and he'd take up a squad place if he stayed. Perhaps the same with Camara, whose opportunities would appear very limited if Luongo stays, which I think is looking likely. |  | | |
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| Ahadme on 15:31 - May 22 with 3801 views | greyhound |
| Ahadme on 15:02 - May 22 by PhilTWTD |
Think he'll be on his way. We need better and he'd take up a squad place if he stayed. Perhaps the same with Camara, whose opportunities would appear very limited if Luongo stays, which I think is looking likely. |
We may have improved recruitment etc but we will still get it wrong sometimes. I think ahadme is one we got really wrong. As for Camara I think the squad itself has moved on so far without him playing any part in it, I can only see him getting a league 1 loan. I would be shocked if he's ready to jump in to championship football after a year out. | | | |
| Ahadme on 15:49 - May 22 with 3660 views | blueislander |
Why didn’t you ask for people’s thoughts on Hirst, Broadhead. or Luongo, or will you always look for the negatives? | | | |
| Ahadme on 15:56 - May 22 with 3604 views | BigCommon |
Think it was just a case of getting an extra body in, that could play up front, at the time.. Tbf to the lad, he was quite impressive against us in the Burton away fixture. And he'd scored a few in the opening weeks of the season..Club might have thought, fk it, worth a punt..Most probably would have been the 75th minute sub, used to help preserve Ladapo.(Until January),With some developement in mind, too. Bit of a gamble, that doesnt seem to have paid of. And unlucky with injury..Cant win em all.. |  | | |
| Ahadme on 15:59 - May 22 with 3571 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Ahadme on 15:31 - May 22 by greyhound |
We may have improved recruitment etc but we will still get it wrong sometimes. I think ahadme is one we got really wrong. As for Camara I think the squad itself has moved on so far without him playing any part in it, I can only see him getting a league 1 loan. I would be shocked if he's ready to jump in to championship football after a year out. |
All clubs will get it wrong sometimes won't they.
Shame if Camara doesn't get a shot here as he hasn't had chance to make a claim but I think the Luongo Morsy partnership just seemed to click |  |
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| Ahadme on 16:11 - May 22 with 3494 views | nodge_blue |
| Ahadme on 15:02 - May 22 by PhilTWTD |
Think he'll be on his way. We need better and he'd take up a squad place if he stayed. Perhaps the same with Camara, whose opportunities would appear very limited if Luongo stays, which I think is looking likely. |
Its interesting what you say about Camara. I know YouTube clips can be misleading but he looked a really good player to me on those and i was looking forward to seeing him last year.
If you are right though, i still dont see its going to be easy to ship these players out. They would have to probably drop down a division and take a pay cut. I suppose we may say well you wont make the submitted squad and its either go or dont play. But that kind of bluntness doesnt fit McKennas style.
I think luongo will stay too as he looked so solid there. But hope el miz gets another look at too. [Post edited 22 May 2023 16:18]
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| Ahadme on 16:21 - May 22 with 3412 views | BigCommon |
| Ahadme on 15:59 - May 22 by BlueandTruesince82 |
All clubs will get it wrong sometimes won't they.
Shame if Camara doesn't get a shot here as he hasn't had chance to make a claim but I think the Luongo Morsy partnership just seemed to click |
Yeah, be a bit of a shame if we don't get a good look at Camara.. But it does appear now, that two pit bulls in MF is what has worked well for us. Especially now we've added a brilliant ball carrier in Broadhead, who can come deep and drive forwards with the ball.
"A good engine", and "He'll get you up the pitch", were common comments from Plymouth fans, when we signed Camara.. Hopefully, if hes somewhere near full fitness, he'll get a chance pre season to try and impress. | | | |
| Ahadme on 17:10 - May 22 with 3247 views | ArnieM |
Tbh we’ve seen little to nothing of him to even form an opinion. All I can remember is him giving our two CB’s a torrid time when he played against us for Burton. He pulled them all over the place. Would he have what is required for the Championship? Unable to say with any certainty, but I doubt it. |  |
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| Ahadme on 20:38 - May 22 with 2822 views | ibbleobble |
| Ahadme on 14:29 - May 22 by Steve_M |
There's definitely potential there, not sure that's much above bottom-end Championship though and really can't see him having a role for us next season.
For all the plaudits our transfer business has received this one is right out of the randomness of Summer 2021, especially given we signed an unfit Camara at the same time. [Post edited 22 May 2023 15:38]
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Two bad signings amongst a season with plenty of good. That ratio is fine with me. | | | |
| Ahadme on 09:41 - May 23 with 2346 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Ahadme on 15:02 - May 22 by PhilTWTD |
Think he'll be on his way. We need better and he'd take up a squad place if he stayed. Perhaps the same with Camara, whose opportunities would appear very limited if Luongo stays, which I think is looking likely. |
Do you think length of contract is the sticking point?
Club offer 1 year with option for another, while player would prefer 2 years…..just a thought no def info involved.
If this is correct credit to the club for not putting pressure on the player by delaying the public release of the retained list. |  |
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| Ahadme on 09:44 - May 23 with 2326 views | PrideOfTheEast |
It was a bit of gamble wasn't it - sure he'll move on. | | | |
| Ahadme on 09:46 - May 23 with 2312 views | PhilTWTD |
| Ahadme on 09:41 - May 23 by Pinewoodblue |
Do you think length of contract is the sticking point?
Club offer 1 year with option for another, while player would prefer 2 years…..just a thought no def info involved.
If this is correct credit to the club for not putting pressure on the player by delaying the public release of the retained list. |
No idea on what terms might be on offer. | | | |
| Ahadme on 09:54 - May 23 with 2263 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Ahadme on 20:38 - May 22 by ibbleobble |
Two bad signings amongst a season with plenty of good. That ratio is fine with me. |
Think we've had quite a mixed recruitment outcome.
Negatives for me.
Harness
Ahadme
Ball ( just don't rate the guy )
Camara based on injury record
JJ ( based on newly released info that he was quite prone to injury)
Keogh ( altho off the pitch it helped)
Before
Pigott
Harper
That young fella on loan from villa | |
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| Ahadme on 09:55 - May 23 with 2262 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Ahadme on 09:41 - May 23 by Pinewoodblue |
Do you think length of contract is the sticking point?
Club offer 1 year with option for another, while player would prefer 2 years…..just a thought no def info involved.
If this is correct credit to the club for not putting pressure on the player by delaying the public release of the retained list. |
There's also the consideration of what Mass may want.
It might be that he wants to return to Australia, so a one year contract is the most he'd agree to? |  |
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| Ahadme on 10:21 - May 23 with 2161 views | dirtyboy |
| Ahadme on 09:54 - May 23 by FrimleyBlue |
Think we've had quite a mixed recruitment outcome.
Negatives for me.
Harness
Ahadme
Ball ( just don't rate the guy )
Camara based on injury record
JJ ( based on newly released info that he was quite prone to injury)
Keogh ( altho off the pitch it helped)
Before
Pigott
Harper
That young fella on loan from villa |
To judge Harness as a negative is pretty disingenuous imo, his impact early in the season was briliant.
You can't then judge him against Broadhead, that's unfair, we didn't have Broadhead early on and Harness was decent and without him (it's a squad over a whole season) we might not have made it over the line.
I'm not saying he's the future, but he wasn't a bad buy by any stretch. |  | | |
| Ahadme on 10:53 - May 23 with 2086 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Ahadme on 10:21 - May 23 by dirtyboy |
To judge Harness as a negative is pretty disingenuous imo, his impact early in the season was briliant.
You can't then judge him against Broadhead, that's unfair, we didn't have Broadhead early on and Harness was decent and without him (it's a squad over a whole season) we might not have made it over the line.
I'm not saying he's the future, but he wasn't a bad buy by any stretch. |
Personally I just feel without harness and having Edwards in or even humphreys in that position.. we wouldn't have had a different season. For me he was a meh signing and one who I doubt we will see again. | |
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