| Edmundson. 00:19 - Aug 30 with 7445 views | FrimleyBlue |
What was his injury that he had.
He was really strange tonight.
That 2nd goal the way he lost the ball. Same thing happened inside the first 5 minutes which reading did nothing with.
But just random things too. His mind.
Late in the game he had the ball. Live in play. He's slowly moving forwards whilst looking back and up at the big screen. Clearly to see how many minutes left. But I just thought it was quite bizarre
Overall he looks really really far off from what he was. Perhaps never to get back to that level I dunno not sure what exactly he injured. |  |
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| Edmundson. on 00:26 - Aug 30 with 5407 views | Illinoisblue |
He’s got to manage the game better there. Fking last minute, put it in the stand. I know we’re coached to play ourselves out of trouble - and that’s served us very well - but there’s a time and a place. |  |
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| Edmundson. on 05:24 - Aug 30 with 5184 views | BigCommon |
I doubt he's fully up to speed/match fit, with how few competitive games he's played lately. If he's tiring towards the end, concentration levels drop, errors are made, etc...
As mentioned, though, he could of just cleared it. I was more surprised at the ease in which he got barged off the ball. I don't really associate that sort of thing with Fridge. He's got the odd mistake in him, but normally , he's strong in the challenge... IDK, maybe slight lack of confidence in his own body atm, having had that lay off?..Needs games to sharpen up, really. But hard to see how he'll get regular league games atm. Thought his best form for us came when he was playing regularly under Cook, in a back four. [Post edited 30 Aug 2023 5:27]
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| Edmundson. on 05:42 - Aug 30 with 5141 views | ArchiRob |
Didn't the forward step on his heel ? |  |
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| Edmundson. on 06:32 - Aug 30 with 4962 views | PioneerBlue |
I’m putting his regress on limited games, like Williams. He’s lost a lot of time, games, positioning, sharpness, decision making all impacted. If he is genuinely over his injury club has a call to make, will he improve quickly enough to be an adequate back up then compete or does he need a loan for competitive minutes. |  |
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| Edmundson. on 07:48 - Aug 30 with 4644 views | Garv |
People need to calm down about him. He'll be fine with more game time (although that will be hard to find obviously) and fitness. He's had a fair amount of time out, before then he was looking very good. |  |
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| Edmundson. on 07:52 - Aug 30 with 4610 views | textbackup |
| Edmundson. on 07:48 - Aug 30 by Garv |
People need to calm down about him. He'll be fine with more game time (although that will be hard to find obviously) and fitness. He's had a fair amount of time out, before then he was looking very good. |
I like GE, but even when he featured regularly he always had a mistake or two in him each game.
He’s just a bit clumsy at times. |  |
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| Edmundson. on 07:54 - Aug 30 with 4604 views | Herbivore |
| Edmundson. on 07:48 - Aug 30 by Garv |
People need to calm down about him. He'll be fine with more game time (although that will be hard to find obviously) and fitness. He's had a fair amount of time out, before then he was looking very good. |
He was looking very good in 2021/22. Prior to his injury last year he wasn't looking good at all. |  |
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| Edmundson. on 07:56 - Aug 30 with 4586 views | the_toff |
| Edmundson. on 00:26 - Aug 30 by Illinoisblue |
He’s got to manage the game better there. Fking last minute, put it in the stand. I know we’re coached to play ourselves out of trouble - and that’s served us very well - but there’s a time and a place. |
I don’t think his decision making was the problem, but the execution. It’s easy in hindsight to say stick it in the stand but he’s trying to retain possession. It looked a fairly routine turn inside and ball back to Slicker but for some reason he trips over his size 11’s.
Not sure what the future holds for him really, he’s behind Burgess and Woolf and perhaps another by the end of the week. Wonder if we’ll look to take a fee for him and move him on somewhere else. | | | |
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| Edmundson. on 07:57 - Aug 30 with 4577 views | ChampionsofInnsbruck |
| Edmundson. on 00:26 - Aug 30 by Illinoisblue |
He’s got to manage the game better there. Fking last minute, put it in the stand. I know we’re coached to play ourselves out of trouble - and that’s served us very well - but there’s a time and a place. |
If we had a few old school defenders on Saturday, we would have not conceded four. It's nice to play pretty football, but sometimes the game requires us to get rid of the threat and reset ourselves at a throw in. |  | | |
| Edmundson. on 08:02 - Aug 30 with 4518 views | ITFCBlues |
| Edmundson. on 07:48 - Aug 30 by Garv |
People need to calm down about him. He'll be fine with more game time (although that will be hard to find obviously) and fitness. He's had a fair amount of time out, before then he was looking very good. |
Agreed. He was fine all game pretty much. Just needs to play games.
Pert suggested that they clipper his heels as well for the goal, so maybe it was a foul? |  |
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| Edmundson. on 08:11 - Aug 30 with 4438 views | Chrisd |
| Edmundson. on 00:26 - Aug 30 by Illinoisblue |
He’s got to manage the game better there. Fking last minute, put it in the stand. I know we’re coached to play ourselves out of trouble - and that’s served us very well - but there’s a time and a place. |
That's the modern way. I'd love to know the stats on how many goals are actually lost/conceded through overplaying at the back. I do wonder if more problems are actually created with this approach? Although Pep is wonderful at getting his City players to perform in this manner, the majority of clubs don't have the luxury or quality of player to do this regularly without a mistake being made, but because Manchester City do it that's the blue print for all clubs regardless of the level of football. As you say, there's nothing wrong with a bit of old fashioned defending as and when it's needed. [Post edited 30 Aug 2023 8:11]
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| Edmundson. on 08:11 - Aug 30 with 4432 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Edmundson. on 07:57 - Aug 30 by ChampionsofInnsbruck |
If we had a few old school defenders on Saturday, we would have not conceded four. It's nice to play pretty football, but sometimes the game requires us to get rid of the threat and reset ourselves at a throw in. |
Absolute nonsense and completely missing the point of why we play the way we do and the benefits we get going forward as well.
Purely speculative to say 'old school' defenders would mean we concede less. Honestly if we did that we'd not have had the ball half as much, had little threat going forward and would have spent the whole match defending (probably conceding more or just losing without laying a glove). That's before you even think of us progressing as a club.
Closest to that sort of defence is Wednesday.
Backward thinking I'm afraid. | |
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| Edmundson. on 08:14 - Aug 30 with 4384 views | the_toff |
| Edmundson. on 08:11 - Aug 30 by Nutkins_Return |
Absolute nonsense and completely missing the point of why we play the way we do and the benefits we get going forward as well.
Purely speculative to say 'old school' defenders would mean we concede less. Honestly if we did that we'd not have had the ball half as much, had little threat going forward and would have spent the whole match defending (probably conceding more or just losing without laying a glove). That's before you even think of us progressing as a club.
Closest to that sort of defence is Wednesday.
Backward thinking I'm afraid. |
I remain hopeful that there will come a time when the penny drops for supporters. | | | |
| Edmundson. on 08:15 - Aug 30 with 4383 views | Herbivore |
| Edmundson. on 08:11 - Aug 30 by Chrisd |
That's the modern way. I'd love to know the stats on how many goals are actually lost/conceded through overplaying at the back. I do wonder if more problems are actually created with this approach? Although Pep is wonderful at getting his City players to perform in this manner, the majority of clubs don't have the luxury or quality of player to do this regularly without a mistake being made, but because Manchester City do it that's the blue print for all clubs regardless of the level of football. As you say, there's nothing wrong with a bit of old fashioned defending as and when it's needed. [Post edited 30 Aug 2023 8:11]
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I can't think of a single league goal last season that we conceded through playing out from the back. | |
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| Edmundson. on 08:15 - Aug 30 with 4380 views | Coastalblue |
| Edmundson. on 07:57 - Aug 30 by ChampionsofInnsbruck |
If we had a few old school defenders on Saturday, we would have not conceded four. It's nice to play pretty football, but sometimes the game requires us to get rid of the threat and reset ourselves at a throw in. |
That's not how we play though, and it wouldn't work with the rest of the way we set up. Old school defenders are never going to get game time in this team, we need to defenders to start opening the space immediately when we get possession, much like the forwards start defending from the front. |  |
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| Edmundson. on 08:20 - Aug 30 with 4326 views | Chrisd |
| Edmundson. on 08:15 - Aug 30 by Herbivore |
I can't think of a single league goal last season that we conceded through playing out from the back. |
Think that's down to opinion, I'm sure there was even if it was a poor pass that was made. Nevertheless, I'd still like to know the stats for all sides, not just us. Sometimes just getting the ball clear and regrouping works well. | |
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| Edmundson. on 08:24 - Aug 30 with 4292 views | chicoazul |
| Edmundson. on 08:20 - Aug 30 by Chrisd |
Think that's down to opinion, I'm sure there was even if it was a poor pass that was made. Nevertheless, I'd still like to know the stats for all sides, not just us. Sometimes just getting the ball clear and regrouping works well. |
It’s not a matter of opinion. According to the guardian interview with McK after promotion, which I think was based on OPTA stats, the answer to Herbs’ question is zero in the league last season. |  |
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| Edmundson. on 08:34 - Aug 30 with 4212 views | ITFCBlues |
| Edmundson. on 08:20 - Aug 30 by Chrisd |
Think that's down to opinion, I'm sure there was even if it was a poor pass that was made. Nevertheless, I'd still like to know the stats for all sides, not just us. Sometimes just getting the ball clear and regrouping works well. |
It's not opinion, it's a fact. They mentioned it on the EFL pod last week. We didn't concede 1 single goal playing out from the back last season and we haven't this season either. | |
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| Edmundson. on 08:36 - Aug 30 with 4192 views | ITFCBlues |
| Edmundson. on 08:20 - Aug 30 by Chrisd |
Think that's down to opinion, I'm sure there was even if it was a poor pass that was made. Nevertheless, I'd still like to know the stats for all sides, not just us. Sometimes just getting the ball clear and regrouping works well. |
And why in gods name would we just start lumping the ball long when we've just gone 21 games unbeaten playing this way?
Such a stupid lazy comment to make without clearly having any statistical data to back it up. If you've not got the players to play this way, fair enough, but we clearly do as is evidenced by the fact we've not conceded a single goal playing out from the back yet scored numerous goals playing this way, in fact, top scorers in the country last season I believe?? | |
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| Edmundson. on 08:38 - Aug 30 with 4175 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Edmundson. on 00:26 - Aug 30 by Illinoisblue |
He’s got to manage the game better there. Fking last minute, put it in the stand. I know we’re coached to play ourselves out of trouble - and that’s served us very well - but there’s a time and a place. |
Fridge gifted a couple of goals in our ore sons games by dwelling on the ball. He needs to think a lot quicker about his decision making.
Seem to recall him costing us a similar goal against Morecambe (I think) the season before last when he tried to Shepard the ball out rather than knocking it into touch. Also Bolton away from the same season.
His excellent form at the time meant that the positives far outweighed the negatives. But he no longer has that form. That ankle injury from two seasons ago seems to have robbed us of an excellent defender.
I hope he proves me wrong but we haven’t seen him at his best since those days under Cook. [Post edited 30 Aug 2023 8:45]
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| Edmundson. on 08:40 - Aug 30 with 4149 views | CityBlue |
"match" fitness, plus he is still fairly young and his mental state may not be 100%. It can overwhelm you with a feeling of isolation wen you drop from the squad and then not able to train due to injury.
At times like this we hope to see the squad gather round and lift him. Fans can help too. |  |
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| Edmundson. on 08:45 - Aug 30 with 4109 views | franz_tyson |
It still feels like he's playing catch-up with McKenna. Best defender under Cook and possibly our best player ( for some) until McKenna came. Different style and different requirements with being a ball-playing CB meant errors slipped in. Felt he was trying too hard to be like Woolfy who's comfortable with the ball. He's better with the ball than Burgess, but Burgess seems to have adapted more than Edmundson.
Just feel whenever he gets a sniff of a chance - he tries too hard and there's an error. Maybe last night's error was more about being fouled than an error- but many will just add this to the list. Think he needs a fresh start OR another CB to get a bad injury to give him 2-3 months to settle in . Then he must take his chance. However, if we buy a new CB - he's down the pecking order and Baggott is already breathing down his neck. | | | |
| Edmundson. on 08:46 - Aug 30 with 4095 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Edmundson. on 00:26 - Aug 30 by Illinoisblue |
He’s got to manage the game better there. Fking last minute, put it in the stand. I know we’re coached to play ourselves out of trouble - and that’s served us very well - but there’s a time and a place. |
He was clearly fouled though. If the ref makes the right decision we're not even talking about him.
In my opinion he looked good in pre-season. His distribution was looking an upgrade on Burgess. Burgess has been reliable and suits left slot better which has him ahead. If anything happened to Woolf, George is a really good replacement. I still think George has the higher ceiling ability wise than Burgess. He's also relatively young for a CB. Give him time. His ankle issues are a concern. | |
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| Edmundson. on 08:46 - Aug 30 with 4092 views | NthQldITFC |
| Edmundson. on 05:42 - Aug 30 by ArchiRob |
Didn't the forward step on his heel ? |
You can't really see from the video, but at the time I thought that the forward must have ankle-tapped him (i.e. gently caught one of Edmundson's feet knocking it into the other, for those who don't know the expression). That's the only way I could see Edmundson going down like he did.
It's not as if it looked like there was any upper body contact and Edmundson was trying (badly) to buy a free kick, and it's not as if Edmundson had any other problem. It's so frustrating for a defender when that happens and, understandably, the ref doesn't see it. There's nothing you can do. |  |
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| Edmundson. on 08:48 - Aug 30 with 4066 views | Herbivore |
| Edmundson. on 08:20 - Aug 30 by Chrisd |
Think that's down to opinion, I'm sure there was even if it was a poor pass that was made. Nevertheless, I'd still like to know the stats for all sides, not just us. Sometimes just getting the ball clear and regrouping works well. |
Can you point me in the direction of the goal(s) you're thinking of then. Be interested to know which ones, in your opinion, came directly from us playing out rather than just aimlessly launching it. [Post edited 30 Aug 2023 8:48]
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