| Reflecting on the voting debates 11:41 - Nov 5 with 2454 views | bluelagos |
And for the life of me I can't see how anyone could ever vote for someone who is proven to be a serial dishonest liar, with a history of misuse of public funds, with no interest in anything other than self promotion and making himself and his mates lots of money, all at the expense of the public purse. Someone whose conduct demeans the office and destroys public confidence in politics...
Still enough about Boris Johnson, wonder if this is the day the yanks join us in flushing their own populist p.o.s. down the toilet? [Post edited 5 Nov 2024 11:48]
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| Reflecting on the voting debates on 12:04 - Nov 5 with 2360 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
I honestly find it staggering. He is so obviously a disgusting human being, almost everything he has said and done should be a complete disqualifier to be president.
He has the Nigel Farage gene where he gets people to vote against their own interests. Why are working class people across America look at the multi millionaire New yorker who sets up almost all his policies to benefit the super wealthy and thinking "that's the man for me". How are people so gullible. |  |
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| Reflecting on the voting debates on 12:24 - Nov 5 with 2320 views | Reus30 |
I was half listening but there was the place this morning called Dicksville with only 6 voters.
All 6 voted as early as they could - split 50:50.
The other 3 would just be looking at those idiots thinking, what the actual. |  | | |
| Reflecting on the voting debates on 12:30 - Nov 5 with 2276 views | LeoMuff |
When the country voted for Boris many sensible people were utterly clueless about him, his history and what it was going to mean for them, for example working in the NHS, they just saw a charismatic guy, who makes gaffes just like them.
I’m guessing it’s the same now, though people seem far more entrenched and defined by their candidate choice over the pond.
It’s really not going to be pretty if he loses. |  |
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| Reflecting on the voting debates on 12:35 - Nov 5 with 2236 views | SomethingBlue |
Not brilliant that the UK is more than halfway down this list although I guess I shouldn't be surprised given the poverty of the information landscape, the inadequacy of the education system and the rank (and worsening) inability/unwillingness of people to analyse information well.
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| Reflecting on the voting debates on 12:46 - Nov 5 with 2182 views | giant_stow |
| Reflecting on the voting debates on 12:35 - Nov 5 by SomethingBlue |
Not brilliant that the UK is more than halfway down this list although I guess I shouldn't be surprised given the poverty of the information landscape, the inadequacy of the education system and the rank (and worsening) inability/unwillingness of people to analyse information well.
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In fairness, some of those countries near the top of the class have either got close to, or have voted in far right parties in real elections this year, but we didn't. Rule Britannia. [Post edited 5 Nov 2024 12:47]
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| Reflecting on the voting debates on 13:22 - Nov 5 with 2106 views | baxterbasics |
| Reflecting on the voting debates on 12:35 - Nov 5 by SomethingBlue |
Not brilliant that the UK is more than halfway down this list although I guess I shouldn't be surprised given the poverty of the information landscape, the inadequacy of the education system and the rank (and worsening) inability/unwillingness of people to analyse information well.
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| Reflecting on the voting debates on 13:26 - Nov 5 with 2082 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Reflecting on the voting debates on 12:04 - Nov 5 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I honestly find it staggering. He is so obviously a disgusting human being, almost everything he has said and done should be a complete disqualifier to be president.
He has the Nigel Farage gene where he gets people to vote against their own interests. Why are working class people across America look at the multi millionaire New yorker who sets up almost all his policies to benefit the super wealthy and thinking "that's the man for me". How are people so gullible. |
Beyond belief isn't it |  | | |
| Reflecting on the voting debates on 13:33 - Nov 5 with 2040 views | positivity |
| Reflecting on the voting debates on 12:35 - Nov 5 by SomethingBlue |
Not brilliant that the UK is more than halfway down this list although I guess I shouldn't be surprised given the poverty of the information landscape, the inadequacy of the education system and the rank (and worsening) inability/unwillingness of people to analyse information well.
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so, since brexit we've turned into an eastern european country? whoop-de-do
those swiss don't seem to know their own mind though! | |
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| Reflecting on the voting debates on 17:41 - Nov 5 with 1802 views | BlueBadger |
| Reflecting on the voting debates on 13:22 - Nov 5 by baxterbasics |
Based Eastern Europe |
What is it you like best about Trump? The bigotry, the corruption, the criminality, etc, etc |  |
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| Reflecting on the voting debates on 17:41 - Nov 5 with 1795 views | BlueBadger |
| Reflecting on the voting debates on 12:46 - Nov 5 by giant_stow |
In fairness, some of those countries near the top of the class have either got close to, or have voted in far right parties in real elections this year, but we didn't. Rule Britannia. [Post edited 5 Nov 2024 12:47]
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We did, until recently, have one in charge though. | |
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| Reflecting on the voting debates on 17:42 - Nov 5 with 1793 views | TresBonne |
| Reflecting on the voting debates on 12:24 - Nov 5 by Reus30 |
I was half listening but there was the place this morning called Dicksville with only 6 voters.
All 6 voted as early as they could - split 50:50.
The other 3 would just be looking at those idiots thinking, what the actual. |
it was probably one family and half of them are eating dinner in the lounge instead of the table tonight! |  | | |
| Reflecting on the voting debates on 07:48 - Nov 6 with 1606 views | ElephantintheRoom |
His main pledges were to end the corruption of the previous regime, fix immigration by strengthening the borders and deportation - and boosting the economy. Sounds very familiar to UK voters I would think. | |
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| Reflecting on the voting debates on 08:14 - Nov 6 with 1542 views | NeedhamChris |
| Reflecting on the voting debates on 17:41 - Nov 5 by BlueBadger |
We did, until recently, have one in charge though. |
People like you throwing the term far right around like confetti shows a complete disrespect and ignorance towards people who have actually experienced a far right government. | |
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| Reflecting on the voting debates on 08:48 - Nov 6 with 1484 views | BloomBlue |
People generally are simple.
They mostly worry about having enough money to pay for the basic things, the mortgage, the groceries, have some fun time with the kids, educate the kids.
Americans have mortgages higher than they were five years ago. When they shop for food/ fuel it costs more than five years ago. When they go out for fun with the kids, it costs more than five years ago.
Americans have said to the Democrats, you've had the last few years to improve those simple things, and you haven't.
It was the same the last time when Trump lost. At the next election it will be the same then, if Trump hasn't improved those basic things people won't vote Republican.
In many ways it happened in the last GE here, huge amounts of people voting Labour not because of their policies, but just because the basic things, food, mortgage, fun with the kids was costing them more. In other words the Conservatives had the chance, I'm worse off so I'll vote for someone else. The same will happen next time, it will be based on the individuals pocket |  | | |
| Reflecting on the voting debates on 09:18 - Nov 6 with 1430 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Reflecting on the voting debates on 08:48 - Nov 6 by BloomBlue |
People generally are simple.
They mostly worry about having enough money to pay for the basic things, the mortgage, the groceries, have some fun time with the kids, educate the kids.
Americans have mortgages higher than they were five years ago. When they shop for food/ fuel it costs more than five years ago. When they go out for fun with the kids, it costs more than five years ago.
Americans have said to the Democrats, you've had the last few years to improve those simple things, and you haven't.
It was the same the last time when Trump lost. At the next election it will be the same then, if Trump hasn't improved those basic things people won't vote Republican.
In many ways it happened in the last GE here, huge amounts of people voting Labour not because of their policies, but just because the basic things, food, mortgage, fun with the kids was costing them more. In other words the Conservatives had the chance, I'm worse off so I'll vote for someone else. The same will happen next time, it will be based on the individuals pocket |
It is more about getting your traditional support to vote. Elections are more ‘lost’ than won.
If it wasn’t for the Tories losing support to Reform then Labour wouldn’t have the majority they do.
If things don’t go well for Labour and people think it is time for a change then it may happen. There are Tories who wouldn’t vote Reform, this year, who might next time if they think they have a better chance of winning locally than the Tories.
Biden lost the US election for the Democrats and he will be remembered more for that than anything he did in office.
I have a feeling that too many Democrats stayed at home. |  |
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| Reflecting on the voting debates on 09:35 - Nov 6 with 1389 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Reflecting on the voting debates on 12:30 - Nov 5 by LeoMuff |
When the country voted for Boris many sensible people were utterly clueless about him, his history and what it was going to mean for them, for example working in the NHS, they just saw a charismatic guy, who makes gaffes just like them.
I’m guessing it’s the same now, though people seem far more entrenched and defined by their candidate choice over the pond.
It’s really not going to be pretty if he loses. |
And that's unfortunate, as there was lots of information pointing out how utterly unsuited to office Johnson would be, including multiple testimonies from people who worked with him previously. There was no excuse for people to be clueless.
There's probably a lesson there. Most people don't actually care about information and just want the 3 or 4 word headline (even if it's a lie). Ignorance is bliss and all that.
Anyway, the politically violence threat in the US probably goes away now, which is a plus I suppose. |  |
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| Reflecting on the voting debates on 09:37 - Nov 6 with 1382 views | smithy91 |
I think the fact there are so many who dont understand and demonise those who vote conservative/republican may be part of the problem and the cause of the divide (FYI I would say i am centre left with some beliefs/values in the centre right camp)
Dont get me wrong there are plenty of voters with blind loyalty and cult like thinking. But it appears to me from the discussion ive heard and seen on X etc is the main concerns for a Harris term was border security, the global situation since the Dems have been in charge and the economic hardship. Also, i get the impression there is perception that alot of the modern media output is anti traditional (nuclear?) family values in its aim to be inclusive or trendy to gen Z.
Now we can argue that they are wrong in some of those beliefs and some of it down to lack of education etc. I find it is more often the young generations/people in the suburban middle income bracket that tends to not understand these worries. |  | | |
| Reflecting on the voting debates on 09:46 - Nov 6 with 1351 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Reflecting on the voting debates on 09:18 - Nov 6 by Pinewoodblue |
It is more about getting your traditional support to vote. Elections are more ‘lost’ than won.
If it wasn’t for the Tories losing support to Reform then Labour wouldn’t have the majority they do.
If things don’t go well for Labour and people think it is time for a change then it may happen. There are Tories who wouldn’t vote Reform, this year, who might next time if they think they have a better chance of winning locally than the Tories.
Biden lost the US election for the Democrats and he will be remembered more for that than anything he did in office.
I have a feeling that too many Democrats stayed at home. |
Losing elections is much easier that winning them for sure - that's how it works.
This from the Guardian in 2016 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/31/polls-donald-trump-hillary-clint
"The numbers are also mirrored when it comes to dislike of “the other side” – 97% of Trump supporters view Clinton unfavorably (90% strongly so) and 95% of Clinton supporters see Trump unfavorably (again, 90% say “strongly”)."
(apologies for the US spelling, perhaps the Guardian is run out of New York or Washington these days)
So we have a system where the candidate you vote for is most likely the one you dislike least. We have the same model in this country. Go democracy!
Why do you think we use such a model? |  | | |
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