| Sunderland 19:47 - Oct 18 with 2455 views | TractorCraigo |
Sunderland have already won 4 matches in the premiership which is the same we managed in 38 matches.i hope if we ever go up we will be more prepared next time, and win a few more. |  | | |  |
| Sunderland on 20:09 - Oct 18 with 2174 views | waveneyblue |
Again, thanks for pointing this out.
Needs to be mentioned more often, in case we forget. |  | | |
| Sunderland on 20:31 - Oct 18 with 2124 views | vapour_trail |
| Sunderland on 20:09 - Oct 18 by waveneyblue |
Again, thanks for pointing this out.
Needs to be mentioned more often, in case we forget. |
Given the dominant narrative as wel succumbed to relegation that it was now impossible for promoted clubs to compete on the premier league, I’d say it’s useful to have a reminder that was entirely buIIshit. |  |
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| Sunderland on 21:48 - Oct 18 with 1938 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Sunderland on 20:31 - Oct 18 by vapour_trail |
Given the dominant narrative as wel succumbed to relegation that it was now impossible for promoted clubs to compete on the premier league, I’d say it’s useful to have a reminder that was entirely buIIshit. |
I think it's saved the premierleague a headache tbh, If all three sides don't go back down
If you have a third season where all 3 promoted sides got relegated, they'd have had no choice but to relook at things.
But, no one can compare town to any of the promoted sides anyway, all of them had a must easier transition to the league than we did. Still shouldn't have been as bad as we were mind you, but no point comparing us with them |  |
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| Sunderland on 10:45 - Oct 19 with 1607 views | waveneyblue |
| Sunderland on 20:31 - Oct 18 by vapour_trail |
Given the dominant narrative as wel succumbed to relegation that it was now impossible for promoted clubs to compete on the premier league, I’d say it’s useful to have a reminder that was entirely buIIshit. |
Not saying that they arent making a better fist of it than we did.
However, I dont think 9 games into a 38 game seasin is the time for sweeping comments.
Let's see where everyone is after Christmas. | | | |
| Sunderland on 12:04 - Oct 19 with 1514 views | DJR |
In my view it's helped that they had a bit more time to prepare for the Premier League.
We went up straightaway with a team where everyone was playing at the top of their game and the team exceeded the sum of its parts. |  | | |
| Sunderland on 12:25 - Oct 19 with 1482 views | ITFCSG |
More than half of their starting XI are new.
Proves that “gelling” and “player getting to know each other” are simply excuses. | | | |
| Sunderland on 12:51 - Oct 19 with 1425 views | IH_KGF |
| Sunderland on 20:09 - Oct 18 by waveneyblue |
Again, thanks for pointing this out.
Needs to be mentioned more often, in case we forget. |
I think its healthy that we can discuss a team that were our position this time last year, but seemingly far superior to what we were.
The only reason people won't discuss it is because it highlights where we failed, something that should be talked about. Pretending its all ok its a little naive, and unhealthy |  | | |
| Sunderland on 13:02 - Oct 19 with 1382 views | ernie |
| Sunderland on 12:51 - Oct 19 by IH_KGF |
I think its healthy that we can discuss a team that were our position this time last year, but seemingly far superior to what we were.
The only reason people won't discuss it is because it highlights where we failed, something that should be talked about. Pretending its all ok its a little naive, and unhealthy |
Don’t worry about that. There are plenty of people on here who like pretending everything is wonderful with ITFC and we’re still living in 1981. | | | |
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| Sunderland on 13:04 - Oct 19 with 1377 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
If we were to play Sunderland next week at home, do you think we would beat them? | | | |
| Sunderland on 13:09 - Oct 19 with 1362 views | BloomBlue |
| Sunderland on 12:51 - Oct 19 by IH_KGF |
I think its healthy that we can discuss a team that were our position this time last year, but seemingly far superior to what we were.
The only reason people won't discuss it is because it highlights where we failed, something that should be talked about. Pretending its all ok its a little naive, and unhealthy |
True, but the season hasn't ended yet. Its still possible Sunderland are relegated, conversely they could win the league.
Yes they might win more games than us, but if they are still relegated come the end of the season its the same result as us.
Nothing is won or lost in Oct. |  | | |
| Sunderland on 13:16 - Oct 19 with 1344 views | skinnybob72 |
The 3 promoted sides have won 8 games between them already, us, Soton & Leicester won 12 between us all season.
I wonder if we perhaps used the 'gap is too big' as a comfort blanket to disguise the fact we were simply not very good?
The three of us have only won 9 out of 29 in the Championship this season which further points towards being not very good. In fact, we are 2 stoppage time penalties and an abandonment from having lost 5 of our first 10. | | | |
| Sunderland on 14:33 - Oct 19 with 1231 views | IH_KGF |
| Sunderland on 13:09 - Oct 19 by BloomBlue |
True, but the season hasn't ended yet. Its still possible Sunderland are relegated, conversely they could win the league.
Yes they might win more games than us, but if they are still relegated come the end of the season its the same result as us.
Nothing is won or lost in Oct. |
I don't think that's the point of the OP, he/she rightly is pointing out that in 9 games they've done what we did in 38 games.
and its worth discussing I think, is it down to
- they signed better player?
- they used different markets?
- their manager is better than ours?
- their manager isn't trying to out football excellent football teams? | | | |
| Sunderland on 15:24 - Oct 19 with 1161 views | peterleeblue |
This has been done done to death.
Sunderlands recruitment was always going to be better than Ipswich.
They had in place an international recruitment model from when the current ownership came in in 2022. It targeted very much young talent which kept psr in check.
Through the process they clearly had higher level players in mind and have maxed out their spend in a bid to build a competitive side.
They have cashed in on their good fortune from the play offs win.
The surprise has been the high calibre and number of signings they have recruited and the speed to create a fully functioning team.
At present Sunderland will be seen as a winnable fixture to virtually every other team. As teams are more open they are able to profit from that to a certain extent. In terms if gelling Ipswich have a target now on their back and arguably are finding it difficult compared to 2 season ago as teams aey about tactically suffocating us.
Good luck to Sunderland they deserve their success so far. A long way to go though. |  | | |
| Sunderland on 15:32 - Oct 19 with 1148 views | Blue_Heath |
| Sunderland on 13:16 - Oct 19 by skinnybob72 |
The 3 promoted sides have won 8 games between them already, us, Soton & Leicester won 12 between us all season.
I wonder if we perhaps used the 'gap is too big' as a comfort blanket to disguise the fact we were simply not very good?
The three of us have only won 9 out of 29 in the Championship this season which further points towards being not very good. In fact, we are 2 stoppage time penalties and an abandonment from having lost 5 of our first 10. |
I hadn't considered that we were that close to losing half the games which is true. That really is shocking to be honest. | | | |
| Sunderland on 18:51 - Oct 19 with 1014 views | BloomBlue |
| Sunderland on 14:33 - Oct 19 by IH_KGF |
I don't think that's the point of the OP, he/she rightly is pointing out that in 9 games they've done what we did in 38 games.
and its worth discussing I think, is it down to
- they signed better player?
- they used different markets?
- their manager is better than ours?
- their manager isn't trying to out football excellent football teams? |
The PL this season is the weakest its been for 10 years.
Liverpool have already lost 3 games, they only lost 4 in the entire season last season.
Arsenal are trotting along, Man City are average. Spurs & Man U who were just outside the relegation last season are now top half.
We went up one year too early.
Good luck to the 3 promoted teams, but they're in the weakest PL for years, that's how the luck goes sometimes. | | | |
| Sunderland on 19:05 - Oct 19 with 975 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Sunderland have equalled our tally of PL wins from last season. by Cheltenham_Blue 18 Oct 18:30Why are people obsessed with this? Sunderland had years in the Championship. Leeds and Burnley were recently in the Prem.
We popped up from L1 in back to back promotions after 3 years of being a mid table L1 side preceded by an abject championship relegation.
They’ve done better than us, and so they should too
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| Sunderland on 19:28 - Oct 19 with 946 views | MattinLondon |
| Sunderland on 13:16 - Oct 19 by skinnybob72 |
The 3 promoted sides have won 8 games between them already, us, Soton & Leicester won 12 between us all season.
I wonder if we perhaps used the 'gap is too big' as a comfort blanket to disguise the fact we were simply not very good?
The three of us have only won 9 out of 29 in the Championship this season which further points towards being not very good. In fact, we are 2 stoppage time penalties and an abandonment from having lost 5 of our first 10. |
Both Leeds and Burnley have played much more recent PL than what we have. This season, the ‘we were in L1 a few seasons back’ argument is redundant. But last season it wasn’t - both Leeds and Burnley’s starting posting was far stronger when attacking the PL. |  | | |
| Sunderland on 19:30 - Oct 19 with 941 views | Che |
| Sunderland on 12:51 - Oct 19 by IH_KGF |
I think its healthy that we can discuss a team that were our position this time last year, but seemingly far superior to what we were.
The only reason people won't discuss it is because it highlights where we failed, something that should be talked about. Pretending its all ok its a little naive, and unhealthy |
They went out and bought proven premiership players.
Apart from a couple of games and a few periods in games we were easy prey for seasoned Premiership Teams. Its not looking much better this season and we possibly have better players. |  | | |
| Sunderland on 19:38 - Oct 19 with 923 views | Leutard |
I would argue that, player for player, Sunderland had a better team than us when we went up - individual quality wasn't our strength, which they've then built on by spending more money than we did.
I would say that their success so far is an adaptation to the issues with the premiership relegation race, and a good one at that that many teams will seek to replicate | | | |
| Sunderland on 20:10 - Oct 19 with 877 views | NthQldITFC |
We can never know for sure, but there's an argument that the fixture computer took all of the wind out of our sails in those first two games. Remember how we competed with Liverpool for 60 minutes? If we'd had this season's West Ham at home that day like Sunderland did this season, we would probably have got off with a win and carried so much more of our momentum forward than we did.
Then we had Man City away.
It's just a thought, utterly unsubstantiated, but I like it. |  |
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| Sunderland on 20:20 - Oct 19 with 843 views | Vaughan8 |
Fixtures play a part, as well as a bit of luck.
I'm glad the promoted teams are doing well. im a bit jealous but it's good for the league. | | | |
| Sunderland on 20:37 - Oct 19 with 795 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sunderland on 20:31 - Oct 18 by vapour_trail |
Given the dominant narrative as wel succumbed to relegation that it was now impossible for promoted clubs to compete on the premier league, I’d say it’s useful to have a reminder that was entirely buIIshit. |
You’re not wrong, but Wavenyblue’s comment was in relation to several similar threads already on the board ant the time this was posted, so more about the OP seemingly suffering from a case of ‘can’tbearsedtocheckitis’. |  |
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| Sunderland on 20:44 - Oct 19 with 780 views | waveneyblue |
Because it gives them another stick to beat the club with.
Theres loads of them about this season who cant wait to give examples of how sh1t we were/are.
Its so weird but they absolutely get off on it. | | | |
| Sunderland on 22:17 - Oct 19 with 686 views | WestSussexBlue |
| Sunderland on 12:51 - Oct 19 by IH_KGF |
I think its healthy that we can discuss a team that were our position this time last year, but seemingly far superior to what we were.
The only reason people won't discuss it is because it highlights where we failed, something that should be talked about. Pretending its all ok its a little naive, and unhealthy |
I agree with WaveneyBlue. There is a long long way to go, if not we may as well kiss our season goodbye. Let’s take another look come mid March and see how the Promoted Three are doing.
For what it’s worth I’d still go with them all being relegated again. | | | |
| Sunderland on 22:24 - Oct 19 with 674 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Leeds have lost 3/4 of their away matches. Burnley have lost all of theirs. We need to do better at home next time we are at that level (assuming we get there). Sunderland are the side who have really adjusted best to it which is interesting as they were the team that went up through the play offs.
It is also worth remembering that none of them has anything like enough points to stay up yet. |  |
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