| Go on Jess on 15:01 - Jan 3 with 855 views | Herbivore |
| Go on Jess on 14:56 - Jan 3 by Clapham_Junction |
This is a bit will of the people-ish. The job of an MP is to do what they think is best for their constituents, not necessarily what their constituents want them to do. If MPs did exactly what a majority of their constituents wanted, progress, especially on social matters, would be a lot slower. |
Indeed. And she's been open and consistent on her stance on Brexit all the way through and her constituents clearly respect that as she retained her seat comfortably. |  |
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| Go on Jess on 15:06 - Jan 3 with 850 views | Steve_M |
| Go on Jess on 15:01 - Jan 3 by Herbivore |
Indeed. And she's been open and consistent on her stance on Brexit all the way through and her constituents clearly respect that as she retained her seat comfortably. |
Yes, exactly that. It's why it's a shame Anna Turley - who took very much the same approach of treating her constituents like adults - lost her seat whilst no great loss that Caroline Flint did. |  |
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| Go on Jess on 15:25 - Jan 3 with 835 views | clive_baker |
| Go on Jess on 14:56 - Jan 3 by Clapham_Junction |
This is a bit will of the people-ish. The job of an MP is to do what they think is best for their constituents, not necessarily what their constituents want them to do. If MPs did exactly what a majority of their constituents wanted, progress, especially on social matters, would be a lot slower. |
She held her seat relatively comfortably, which as Joe says clearly shows she has the support of those she represents. Her conservative opponent whose name escapes me did gain significantly on her if I recall, but she still held a big majority. My issue with her is that I really can't see her appealing to the masses and engaging the voters Labour haemorrhaged at the last election. They voted for Boris ffs, I think someone like Starmer has a much wider appeal and therefore Phillips wouldn't be an appropriate choice at this stage. That's not to say never, but not right now. |  |
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| Go on Jess on 15:28 - Jan 3 with 830 views | GlasgowBlue |
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/471172/4487601/labour-party/#post4487601
What the country is really crying out for though is the leadership and vision that only a Lavery/Burgon ticket can provide. |  |
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| Go on Jess on 15:28 - Jan 3 with 823 views | Herbivore |
| Go on Jess on 15:25 - Jan 3 by clive_baker |
She held her seat relatively comfortably, which as Joe says clearly shows she has the support of those she represents. Her conservative opponent whose name escapes me did gain significantly on her if I recall, but she still held a big majority. My issue with her is that I really can't see her appealing to the masses and engaging the voters Labour haemorrhaged at the last election. They voted for Boris ffs, I think someone like Starmer has a much wider appeal and therefore Phillips wouldn't be an appropriate choice at this stage. That's not to say never, but not right now. |
The voters Labour lost were very much like the voters in her constituency, which she held on to comfortably. I'm not sure why you think she can't or won't appeal to working class leave voters when she won in a working class leave constituency. Bear in mind as well that Brexit will have happened by the time the next election hits and her stance on remaining is less of an issue. | |
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| Go on Jess on 15:32 - Jan 3 with 816 views | itfcjoe |
| Go on Jess on 15:28 - Jan 3 by GlasgowBlue |
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/471172/4487601/labour-party/#post4487601
What the country is really crying out for though is the leadership and vision that only a Lavery/Burgon ticket can provide. |
Lavery, Burgon or Long-Bailey would spell the end of the Labour party for the next 2 elections at least |  |
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| Go on Jess on 15:34 - Jan 3 with 806 views | itfcjoe |
| Go on Jess on 15:28 - Jan 3 by Herbivore |
The voters Labour lost were very much like the voters in her constituency, which she held on to comfortably. I'm not sure why you think she can't or won't appeal to working class leave voters when she won in a working class leave constituency. Bear in mind as well that Brexit will have happened by the time the next election hits and her stance on remaining is less of an issue. |
She has to appeal to the South East as well, the 'red wall' can't win an election for Labour, it can only loose 1 and I'm not sure Jess is particularly Prime Ministerial enough for the professionals Labour need to keep on board. | |
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| Go on Jess on 15:45 - Jan 3 with 794 views | clive_baker |
| Go on Jess on 15:34 - Jan 3 by itfcjoe |
She has to appeal to the South East as well, the 'red wall' can't win an election for Labour, it can only loose 1 and I'm not sure Jess is particularly Prime Ministerial enough for the professionals Labour need to keep on board. |
Innit. Boris held tory heartland and disrupted historically labour areas, thanks to Brexit. Once Brexit is done I wouldn't bet against Phillips swinging some of those areas back, depending on what the next few years brings, but the question I'm struggling with is will she have much appeal more widely than that. | |
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| Go on Jess on 15:52 - Jan 3 with 783 views | SomethingBlue |
| Go on Jess on 15:28 - Jan 3 by GlasgowBlue |
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/471172/4487601/labour-party/#post4487601
What the country is really crying out for though is the leadership and vision that only a Lavery/Burgon ticket can provide. |
For sheer intelligence, grown-upness and — as you say — gravitas I totally agree on Cooper. Has few airs & graces, does her homework better than almost anyone on either side and takes no bullsh6t. Can't see it happening though. |  |
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| Go on Jess on 15:53 - Jan 3 with 773 views | Herbivore |
| Go on Jess on 15:34 - Jan 3 by itfcjoe |
She has to appeal to the South East as well, the 'red wall' can't win an election for Labour, it can only loose 1 and I'm not sure Jess is particularly Prime Ministerial enough for the professionals Labour need to keep on board. |
I don't disagree and I'm not for her as leader. I do think she needs a prominent role though, she's managed to appeal to voters in a working class, pro-leave areas in Ann election where losing those voters in thousands has cost Labour the election. They need her on board to try and win back enough of those voters. I don't see Starmer doing that on his own, he's too posh and too 'London'. | |
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| Go on Jess on 15:58 - Jan 3 with 767 views | itfcjoe |
| Go on Jess on 15:53 - Jan 3 by Herbivore |
I don't disagree and I'm not for her as leader. I do think she needs a prominent role though, she's managed to appeal to voters in a working class, pro-leave areas in Ann election where losing those voters in thousands has cost Labour the election. They need her on board to try and win back enough of those voters. I don't see Starmer doing that on his own, he's too posh and too 'London'. |
Yep, she needs to be like a modern day John Prescott as a top role but not the boss | |
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| Go on Jess on 16:05 - Jan 3 with 759 views | Pendejo |
| Go on Jess on 14:53 - Jan 3 by hampstead_blue |
She just seems to rant and rate at the sky a lot.never really made a point worthwhile when I've seen her on tv |
I would assert that your mind is made up before she opens her mouth, so she's not communicating with you is she? She doesn't have to... but could she communicate effectively with the millions of voters that aren't colours nailed to the mast regardless types? |  |
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| Go on Jess on 17:06 - Jan 3 with 725 views | m14_blue |
| Go on Jess on 15:53 - Jan 3 by Herbivore |
I don't disagree and I'm not for her as leader. I do think she needs a prominent role though, she's managed to appeal to voters in a working class, pro-leave areas in Ann election where losing those voters in thousands has cost Labour the election. They need her on board to try and win back enough of those voters. I don't see Starmer doing that on his own, he's too posh and too 'London'. |
But ‘too posh and too London’ didn’t stop them voting for Boris. | | | |
| Go on Jess on 17:10 - Jan 3 with 721 views | hampstead_blue |
| Go on Jess on 16:05 - Jan 3 by Pendejo |
I would assert that your mind is made up before she opens her mouth, so she's not communicating with you is she? She doesn't have to... but could she communicate effectively with the millions of voters that aren't colours nailed to the mast regardless types? |
Your assumptions are incorrect.
If I were a red then I'd swerve her. I just think she is just to ranty and lacks depth of argument.
Nothing she ever said pre-election on the telly was anything other than simple and base objections. As I said, ranting at the sky. |  |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Go on Jess on 17:12 - Jan 3 with 718 views | m14_blue |
| Go on Jess on 17:10 - Jan 3 by hampstead_blue |
Your assumptions are incorrect.
If I were a red then I'd swerve her. I just think she is just to ranty and lacks depth of argument.
Nothing she ever said pre-election on the telly was anything other than simple and base objections. As I said, ranting at the sky. |
Can you give an example?
She can be a little emotive but I’ve always thought there was a fair amount of substance behind most of her points. | | | |
| Go on Jess on 17:16 - Jan 3 with 709 views | mrshallisfit |
| Go on Jess on 13:01 - Jan 3 by hampstead_blue |
She certainly likes the sound of her own voice.
It seemed that she was in front of every camera in the HoP a few months back. Couldn't change channels without her noggin front and centre. |
What is your opinion of Priti Patel? | | | |
| Go on Jess on 17:17 - Jan 3 with 708 views | hampstead_blue |
| Go on Jess on 17:12 - Jan 3 by m14_blue |
Can you give an example?
She can be a little emotive but I’ve always thought there was a fair amount of substance behind most of her points. |
Give me a minute, I'll just trawl through the BBC archives! | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Go on Jess on 17:20 - Jan 3 with 704 views | GeoffSentence |
| Go on Jess on 15:52 - Jan 3 by SomethingBlue |
For sheer intelligence, grown-upness and — as you say — gravitas I totally agree on Cooper. Has few airs & graces, does her homework better than almost anyone on either side and takes no bullsh6t. Can't see it happening though. |
Yvette Cooper is Ed Balls' mrs. Would you want someone that close to the budgies in high office? |  |
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| Go on Jess on 17:21 - Jan 3 with 702 views | clive_baker |
| Go on Jess on 15:28 - Jan 3 by Herbivore |
The voters Labour lost were very much like the voters in her constituency, which she held on to comfortably. I'm not sure why you think she can't or won't appeal to working class leave voters when she won in a working class leave constituency. Bear in mind as well that Brexit will have happened by the time the next election hits and her stance on remaining is less of an issue. |
That's not what I said, at least that's not how it was meant to be interpreted. I don't doubt she would appeal to the working class leave voters post Brexit. My concern is that I can't see her appealing to those lapsed voters AND appealing to the masses, the wider populous and the vast array of on-the-fencers, I think she'll prove too divisive. Ultimately I want a Labour government in power, and I think she has a role to play, but I don't think she's the leader that will achieve that. | |
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| Go on Jess on 17:36 - Jan 3 with 683 views | Pendejo |
| Go on Jess on 17:10 - Jan 3 by hampstead_blue |
Your assumptions are incorrect.
If I were a red then I'd swerve her. I just think she is just to ranty and lacks depth of argument.
Nothing she ever said pre-election on the telly was anything other than simple and base objections. As I said, ranting at the sky. |
Assertion not assumption, but proven by your next line "If I were a red then I'f swerve her".
You are not a "red", as such you are unlikely to be sympathetic to her and any point of view she puts across. If you were a red, you would likely be more sympathetic... and you can't say you wouldn't because you are not and your judgement is clouded by your current stand point. | |
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| Go on Jess on 18:30 - Jan 3 with 661 views | mrshallisfit |
| Go on Jess on 17:17 - Jan 3 by hampstead_blue |
Give me a minute, I'll just trawl through the BBC archives! |
We are all waiting with baited breath. | | | |
| Go on Jess on 18:37 - Jan 3 with 653 views | ElephantintheRoom |
It's part of Labour's problem that a gobby woman with no experience and no credibilty can be touted as leadership material because she is (a) ay ooop Northern and (b) likes the sound of her own voice/
Ludicrous that she is even being considered at a time the party is in a self-inflected crisis. | |
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| Go on Jess on 18:46 - Jan 3 with 639 views | Herbivore |
| Go on Jess on 17:06 - Jan 3 by m14_blue |
But ‘too posh and too London’ didn’t stop them voting for Boris. |
He had GET BREXIT DONE in his favour and somehow he is able to be sold as a man of the people. Starmer has neither of those advantages. | |
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| Go on Jess on 18:49 - Jan 3 with 636 views | Herbivore |
| Go on Jess on 18:37 - Jan 3 by ElephantintheRoom |
It's part of Labour's problem that a gobby woman with no experience and no credibilty can be touted as leadership material because she is (a) ay ooop Northern and (b) likes the sound of her own voice/
Ludicrous that she is even being considered at a time the party is in a self-inflected crisis. |
Whoop whoop, it's the sound of the Edge Lord. | |
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| Go on Jess on 18:56 - Jan 3 with 624 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Go on Jess on 18:49 - Jan 3 by Herbivore |
Whoop whoop, it's the sound of the Edge Lord. |
You dont like the truth do you?
In case you hadn't noticed the prospective leader of the labour party has to repair a disintegrating party and reverse decades of deline in the national vote.
A touch of realism is required. | |
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