| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m 14:33 - Mar 1 with 17641 views | jasondozzell |
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/the-verdict-blackpool-2-ipswich-town-1-1-6539568
Football has been better under Lambert although he's made mistakes with postponing games and the ill fated rotation. But we do play better football, just seem to lack the ruthlessness required.
Players too comfortable again? I'm beginning to think Hurst was right to try and shake things up but encountered players used to having too much influence under Mick as proper blokes etc. [Post edited 1 Mar 2020 14:36]
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| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 16:19 - Mar 1 with 2848 views | BlueBadger |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 15:32 - Mar 1 by Herbivore |
If, as you suggest, the players don't care then why has the manager not addressed that? |
People forget we had a similarly disinterested, disjointed set of players when Mick McCarthy came in. Difference between him and Lambert is that Mick actually did something about it. I think you could accuse Mick's teams of many things, but a lack of interest and motivation wasn't one. |  |
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| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 16:20 - Mar 1 with 2847 views | cbower |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 15:58 - Mar 1 by Herbivore |
We were 12th in the Championship under Mick. That's not struggling. Our current plight is on Lambert. He's clueless. |
And that 12th had us above Norwich and Leeds. Some will say that Mick didn't complete that season so the handful of points we picked up under Klug can't count but we all know that's nonsense. We were a Championship side with the potential to go either way. An abysmal appointment followed by a whimper of an attempt to survive under Lambert and here we are. |  |
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| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 16:52 - Mar 1 with 2804 views | shamboy |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 15:36 - Mar 1 by jasondozzell |
I see what you mean, but I think the problem began once Mick left. Mick didn't seem as bothered by state of training ground, long term plan for club, connection with fans. He was a good manager, but I think he did it by having players he trusted who had a lot of influence. Mick never moved to Suffolk did he? I think senior players ran things with Mick which is what your want, but when Mick left I do wonder if that meant those same players had a bit too much influence and sense of control. Things comfortable - remember it's their job and the next contract etc v important for players. Hurst was v clear that he wanted a clean slate and that no one was in the team automatically. Think back to that interview after Exeter with Chambo. Players weren't happy to be called out. But actually our cup record is woeful and maybe Hurst was right. I don't like the idea that player power with them getting in touch with Evans was involved.
I'm not accusing players of being mutinous, more that Mick didn't really build up the club and culture of proper blokes and trusted players that worked well for him left a vacuum when he was gone. Wonder if Lambert is still dealing with that. [Post edited 1 Mar 2020 15:38]
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Mick sat down with Evans every summer and asked two questions 'What's me boodget?' and 'What's me targets?'
In the course of thrashing out the budget, no doubt Mick told him what he would get for his money, and he was never far off.
If Evans had priortised runs in the Cup(s), changing the style, tarting up the ground, or improving the training ground, Mick would have made sure it happened.
That's why it was so unfortunate that it all went wrong, as Mick was actually delivering his targets. |  | | |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 16:55 - Mar 1 with 2791 views | r2d2 |
Its down to failed ownership. Simples. |  | | |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 17:35 - Mar 1 with 2760 views | braveblue |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 14:37 - Mar 1 by J2BLUE |
I don't understand this too much influence under MM thing. MM had clear demands if you wanted to be in his team. If you met those demands you played. If you didn't, you didn't play. Seems to be a bit of a myth that he had his favourites who had too much power. |
MM announced at the start of the season that Chambers would play every match regardless of form. Comfortable and favourite spring to mind. | | | |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 17:43 - Mar 1 with 2723 views | itfcjoe |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 17:35 - Mar 1 by braveblue |
MM announced at the start of the season that Chambers would play every match regardless of form. Comfortable and favourite spring to mind. |
No he didn’t |  |
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| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 18:06 - Mar 1 with 2722 views | 44_not_out |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 17:35 - Mar 1 by braveblue |
MM announced at the start of the season that Chambers would play every match regardless of form. Comfortable and favourite spring to mind. |
Yet we were always guaranteed a place in the championship the next season....... but at least the football is better now.
It’s the north stand roof that still grates on me | | | |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 18:20 - Mar 1 with 2702 views | Churchman |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 16:19 - Mar 1 by BlueBadger |
People forget we had a similarly disinterested, disjointed set of players when Mick McCarthy came in. Difference between him and Lambert is that Mick actually did something about it. I think you could accuse Mick's teams of many things, but a lack of interest and motivation wasn't one. |
I detest McCarthy, the dross football he served up along with his arrogant attitude. But had he been given a shred of backing, he’d have got us into the Premier League. As it was because of the way he worked, you didn’t get a free ride as a player. Any try backing for a manager ended realistically with Keane and a lesser extent Jewell. The owner has zero ambition and even less idea on how to run a football club. I cannot see how this cannot feed into the players. A few have a career already of them - elsewhere. Others are topping up pensions and the rest lucky to be stealing a living. How can the club progress in such a state? |  | | |
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| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 18:23 - Mar 1 with 2697 views | judespiveyg |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 14:38 - Mar 1 by PJH |
Agree, MM tended to favour the players that deserved to be in the team just like most good managers do. |
Deserving players like Jonathan Douglas. |  |
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| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 18:24 - Mar 1 with 2692 views | BlueBadger |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 17:35 - Mar 1 by braveblue |
MM announced at the start of the season that Chambers would play every match regardless of form. Comfortable and favourite spring to mind. |
I'm sure, that like the story about Chambers swearing at 'the fans' you have a solid link that can support this?
Oh no wait, you've made this up as well. [Post edited 1 Mar 2020 18:30]
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| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 18:24 - Mar 1 with 2689 views | 44_not_out |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 18:23 - Mar 1 by judespiveyg |
Deserving players like Jonathan Douglas. |
Fairly sure Douglas was never part of a squad that got relegated.... just saying | | | |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 18:26 - Mar 1 with 2683 views | judespiveyg |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 18:24 - Mar 1 by 44_not_out |
Fairly sure Douglas was never part of a squad that got relegated.... just saying |
Not really sure how that's relevant given the comment I was replying to. [Post edited 1 Mar 2020 18:27]
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| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 18:30 - Mar 1 with 2674 views | 44_not_out |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 18:20 - Mar 1 by Churchman |
I detest McCarthy, the dross football he served up along with his arrogant attitude. But had he been given a shred of backing, he’d have got us into the Premier League. As it was because of the way he worked, you didn’t get a free ride as a player. Any try backing for a manager ended realistically with Keane and a lesser extent Jewell. The owner has zero ambition and even less idea on how to run a football club. I cannot see how this cannot feed into the players. A few have a career already of them - elsewhere. Others are topping up pensions and the rest lucky to be stealing a living. How can the club progress in such a state? |
So you detested him and the football was dross, but I am assuming had he been given the investment and we’d have got into the premier league, you’d have been happy.
So from what you’re saying it’s not necessarily the style, it’s winning that counts?? | | | |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 18:41 - Mar 1 with 2649 views | GaryCooper |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 15:22 - Mar 1 by BlueBadger |
Poor Ernie. Imagine being upset by swearing at a football match. |
It wasn't that MM swore at a football match it was the very fact he swore directly at Town fans that pissed people off, some fans deserved the abuse from the thin skinned Yorkshire man mind you. |  | | |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 18:50 - Mar 1 with 2632 views | PhilTWTD |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 17:35 - Mar 1 by braveblue |
MM announced at the start of the season that Chambers would play every match regardless of form. Comfortable and favourite spring to mind. |
Be interested to see that quote, I don't recall it. I'm sure MM would have said the opposite, that everyone needs to prove themselves constantly regardless of who they are.
A lot being made of PL using the word 'comfortable' yesterday. I took it that he meant they were comfortable with the way they were being asked to play rather suggesting they're too cosy at the club. |  | | |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 18:53 - Mar 1 with 2616 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 16:19 - Mar 1 by BlueBadger |
People forget we had a similarly disinterested, disjointed set of players when Mick McCarthy came in. Difference between him and Lambert is that Mick actually did something about it. I think you could accuse Mick's teams of many things, but a lack of interest and motivation wasn't one. |
Ask David McGoldrick how comfortable it was for some. |  | | |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 19:40 - Mar 1 with 2571 views | Churchman |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 18:30 - Mar 1 by 44_not_out |
So you detested him and the football was dross, but I am assuming had he been given the investment and we’d have got into the premier league, you’d have been happy.
So from what you’re saying it’s not necessarily the style, it’s winning that counts?? |
Oh I’m a complete hypocrite. I’d have been delighted and cheered to the rafters when we were winning at places like Charlton, Watford and Fulham. But I’d never have been happy with McCarthy himself. His self serving arrogance and turgid football drove me nuts. It is a results business, but I think there is room for results and half decent football in any league. Sometimes, is results first and as confidence grows the football follows.
But not if a club is rotten from the top down with no structure worthy of the name (PL alluded to this in the summer). The manager has no chance, not that I’m making excuses for Hurst and PL. Both have failed dismally, obviously. | | | |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 19:40 - Mar 1 with 2571 views | Oxford_Blue |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 17:35 - Mar 1 by braveblue |
MM announced at the start of the season that Chambers would play every match regardless of form. Comfortable and favourite spring to mind. |
First, when did he say this - please provide your reference.
Secondly, even assuming he did, the results were pretty good compared to now, wouldn’t you say? | | | |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 19:52 - Mar 1 with 2550 views | 44_not_out |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 19:40 - Mar 1 by Churchman |
Oh I’m a complete hypocrite. I’d have been delighted and cheered to the rafters when we were winning at places like Charlton, Watford and Fulham. But I’d never have been happy with McCarthy himself. His self serving arrogance and turgid football drove me nuts. It is a results business, but I think there is room for results and half decent football in any league. Sometimes, is results first and as confidence grows the football follows.
But not if a club is rotten from the top down with no structure worthy of the name (PL alluded to this in the summer). The manager has no chance, not that I’m making excuses for Hurst and PL. Both have failed dismally, obviously. |
Fair play. A sensible reply, something rarely seen in here!! | | | |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 20:03 - Mar 1 with 2536 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 14:52 - Mar 1 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
He hits the nail on the head. There are some unfortunately on here that just jump the gun seemingly and lay it all at Lamberts doorstep, in essence that isn’t the case.
The roots of the ITFC conundrum is much more complex. The players are in a comfort culture at the club, set through the club from the very top, no ambition from the owner, how can you expect players and fans to follow. Players are happy just collecting a cheque.
I don’t think Lambert will leave the club anytime soon, but if Evans wants to back him properly, he has to allow him the overhaul players at this club and truly change the culture set in. [Post edited 1 Mar 2020 15:46]
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No evidence for them kicking back and just picking up a pay check, at all. When you see how pissed of they are when things don’t go well, it suggests quite the opposite.
The simple truth is some aren’t up to it and Lambert hasn’t crafted them into a good team. Any group of players needs good leadership and thorough preparation; you see it in every league. We’re not quite there at the moment. |  |
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| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 20:19 - Mar 1 with 2507 views | BlueBadger |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 19:40 - Mar 1 by Oxford_Blue |
First, when did he say this - please provide your reference.
Secondly, even assuming he did, the results were pretty good compared to now, wouldn’t you say? |
Three hours since he said this. Fancy someone calling theselves 'Braveblue' running away. | |
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| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 21:17 - Mar 1 with 2444 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
If only it wasn’t quite literally part of Lambert’s job to get those players to do more, or indeed if he hadn’t either signed or provided contract extensions to 9 of the 11 players to have played 15 or more games for us this season |  |
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| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 21:46 - Mar 1 with 2421 views | BLUEBEAT |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 21:17 - Mar 1 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
If only it wasn’t quite literally part of Lambert’s job to get those players to do more, or indeed if he hadn’t either signed or provided contract extensions to 9 of the 11 players to have played 15 or more games for us this season |
It is.
But at the end of the day, I really do think it’s down to the players.
They weren’t good enough for the the Championship and now it is proven that they aren’t even top players in League One.
Stats and table position simply do not lie.
Irrelevant of coaching and tactics, if you genuinely were a cut above the other players in this division, you wouldn’t be sat outside the play-off positions and playing on relegation form.
Lambert’s biggest mistake was opting for a rotation policy rather than fielding the strongest possible team week in, week out.
The rest is down to the players, weak captaincy and lack of overall passion/commitment. |  |
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| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 21:49 - Mar 1 with 2411 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Good piece from Watson today. Maybe players rather than Lambert who need to do m on 15:32 - Mar 1 by Herbivore |
If, as you suggest, the players don't care then why has the manager not addressed that? |
Last time the boat was rocked the players threw their toys out the trolly after receiving home truths from Paul Hurst.
Lambert will be addressing that I’m sure, but I can’t imagine years and years of comfort culture can be changed via a click of your fingers.
Will take a lot longer than I imagine many have the patience for, unfortunately. |  |
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