| Is this cartoon racist? 07:24 - Mar 9 with 13983 views | GlasgowBlue |
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 10:46 - Mar 9 with 2693 views | Herbivore |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 10:39 - Mar 9 by Swansea_Blue |
That's fairly balanced, with the exception of one thing to offset the 'successful, driven woman' bit.
She knowingly causes misery through her heartless actions and policies. There may well be no smoke without fire on these bullying accusations either.
Does that all mean it's necessary for the press to scrutinise her? Absolutely. Like this? I'm not so sure and very much open to debate (as we've seen). |
If nothing else it ends up being a distraction. There have already been lots of apologists for Priti Patel suggesting that the stick she is getting is because she is a woman and a woman of colour at that. Actually, she's just a hateful **** and that's why people have taken issue with her. Plenty of feminists and people of colour have spoken out against gender and race being used to shield Patel from scrutiny. Things like this give people some legit ammo against the basis of the criticism of her. If nothing else it's nasty and needlessly offensive and does nothing to further legitimate criticism of her as a hateful ****. |  |
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 10:56 - Mar 9 with 2674 views | Darth_Koont |
Someone accused of bullying is shown as a bull alongside the bullish PM who backs her?
No.
Will people disingenuously take the intent as racist to make political capital and/or a name for themselves?
Absolutely! |  |
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 11:02 - Mar 9 with 2647 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 10:56 - Mar 9 by Darth_Koont |
Someone accused of bullying is shown as a bull alongside the bullish PM who backs her?
No.
Will people disingenuously take the intent as racist to make political capital and/or a name for themselves?
Absolutely! |
Ah, I see my earlier point has touched a nerve, ironically by people who are part of the show! |  |
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 11:12 - Mar 9 with 2624 views | Darth_Koont |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 11:02 - Mar 9 by Lord_Lucan |
Ah, I see my earlier point has touched a nerve, ironically by people who are part of the show! |
Eh? I largely agreed with your point. Or at least I thought I did ... now I'm not sure what you actually meant. | |
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 11:18 - Mar 9 with 2595 views | hampstead_blue |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 10:39 - Mar 9 by Swansea_Blue |
That's fairly balanced, with the exception of one thing to offset the 'successful, driven woman' bit.
She knowingly causes misery through her heartless actions and policies. There may well be no smoke without fire on these bullying accusations either.
Does that all mean it's necessary for the press to scrutinise her? Absolutely. Like this? I'm not so sure and very much open to debate (as we've seen). |
I'm not sure they need to this low.
I find it not satirical as Footers offers, but insulting actually.
I'm not a snowflake.
This is a cartoon I'd rather not have seen. TBH.
My comment about her 'hard working....' is there just to press the point that she's done very well to reach this High Office and for that I commend her. Not sure she is the devil she is made out to be.
The Sunday Times offered a view that the complaint made by the person who attempted suicide was not about PP but a Civil Servant in the office. I am quoting so haven't dug out all the evidence. Just quoting. |  |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 11:19 - Mar 9 with 2591 views | monytowbray |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 10:25 - Mar 9 by hampstead_blue |
Is it racist? That's very grey area. Some may say yes, others no. I can see both sides of that argument.
Is it necessary? No. Not at all. It's just a cheap shot against a successful and driven woman.
Would I say the same regardless of which party? Yes I would. I'm party agnostic on this. |
Perhaps you should take your opinion on this and apply it to Dianne Abbot? Just a thought. |  |
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 11:19 - Mar 9 with 2591 views | hype313 |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 10:56 - Mar 9 by Darth_Koont |
Someone accused of bullying is shown as a bull alongside the bullish PM who backs her?
No.
Will people disingenuously take the intent as racist to make political capital and/or a name for themselves?
Absolutely! |
And that is the crux of it.
People are looking for things that aren't there. |  |
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 11:29 - Mar 9 with 2569 views | monytowbray |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 11:19 - Mar 9 by hype313 |
And that is the crux of it.
People are looking for things that aren't there. |
Meanwhile we’ve had actual red laced skin heads show up in Ipswich holding racist signs to support the bigoted stickers put up around Town and the main discussion point is arguing over if it’s fascism or not.
The left are the real racists, etc.
If Patel were to be a victim of racism it might be a good learning curve for her seeing as she’s oddly racist for someone who wouldn’t be here had the policies she supports existed when her family immigrated to the UK. | |
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 11:32 - Mar 9 with 2560 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 11:29 - Mar 9 by monytowbray |
Meanwhile we’ve had actual red laced skin heads show up in Ipswich holding racist signs to support the bigoted stickers put up around Town and the main discussion point is arguing over if it’s fascism or not.
The left are the real racists, etc.
If Patel were to be a victim of racism it might be a good learning curve for her seeing as she’s oddly racist for someone who wouldn’t be here had the policies she supports existed when her family immigrated to the UK. |
"Meanwhile we’ve had actual red laced skin heads show up in Ipswich holding racist signs to support the bigoted stickers put up around Town and the main discussion point is arguing over if it’s fascism or not"
From memory the argument was that you implied that these people were from Ipswich. | |
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 11:33 - Mar 9 with 2553 views | hampstead_blue |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 11:19 - Mar 9 by monytowbray |
Perhaps you should take your opinion on this and apply it to Dianne Abbot? Just a thought. |
I've said this post is agnostic.
When have I ever backed anything like this against DA? Never is the answer so you need to row back I think.
I've mocked her intellect and c0ck-ups that's all. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 11:40 - Mar 9 with 2550 views | footers |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 11:18 - Mar 9 by hampstead_blue |
I'm not sure they need to this low.
I find it not satirical as Footers offers, but insulting actually.
I'm not a snowflake.
This is a cartoon I'd rather not have seen. TBH.
My comment about her 'hard working....' is there just to press the point that she's done very well to reach this High Office and for that I commend her. Not sure she is the devil she is made out to be.
The Sunday Times offered a view that the complaint made by the person who attempted suicide was not about PP but a Civil Servant in the office. I am quoting so haven't dug out all the evidence. Just quoting. |
I'm really struggling to see anything offensive in it all. It's politics. They're two bullish politicians being portrayed as bulls. Linking it to her religion or race is really stretching things , imo.
And I thought it was the left who were supposedly permanently offended.
You can't draw anyfink these days, guv. |  |
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 12:00 - Mar 9 with 2520 views | HARRY10 |
I am sure there are millions in India who will feel offended
Though I do wonder what the 'righties' over here (who have suddenly found a reason to be offended on their behalf) made of the Danish cartoons featuring mohamed or those in the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo. Certainly not that of GB who appears to be having a fit of the vapours like some Victorian maiden aunt confronted with a uncovered table leg. Condemnation there, was nought
For my part it is merely the cut and thrust of political life, and I do not recall any 'righties' on here being upset about how Corbyn was repeatedly potrayed in cartoons. And as to being offended I am offended by the site of charred bodies in India after the all TOO real religious actions. Unsurprisingly GB and fellow 'righties' have not told us on here how offensive those pictures were.
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resentation I condemn those actions, irrespective of race, creed or colour) |  | | |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 12:21 - Mar 9 with 2497 views | giant_stow |
I'm just surprised no one's mentioned Trevor Phillips yet. Personally, I wouldn't dare do that! |  |
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 12:25 - Mar 9 with 2492 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 12:21 - Mar 9 by giant_stow |
I'm just surprised no one's mentioned Trevor Phillips yet. Personally, I wouldn't dare do that! |
Edit; I can't get the link to land on the start of the Phillips bit - Oborne nails it again on 11:42 - Mar 9 with 32 views WeWereZombies
Oborne nails it again by Darth_Koont 7 Mar 2020 13:19https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/british-tories-are-morphing-party-bigots
And so does O’Brien who might be starting to feel a little duped ...
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1235923926141874176
The lack of mainstream coverage or comment on this and other stuff like the ruling against the JC for making up allegations of bullying against Louise Ellman (who also did nothing to correct this as far as I can see) suggest we have a media that is entirely compromised as a seeker of truth and balance. They are an intrinsic part of the problem in UK politics.
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 12:32 - Mar 9 with 2473 views | giant_stow |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 12:25 - Mar 9 by Lord_Lucan |
Edit; I can't get the link to land on the start of the Phillips bit - Oborne nails it again on 11:42 - Mar 9 with 32 views WeWereZombies
Oborne nails it again by Darth_Koont 7 Mar 2020 13:19https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/british-tories-are-morphing-party-bigots
And so does O’Brien who might be starting to feel a little duped ...
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1235923926141874176
The lack of mainstream coverage or comment on this and other stuff like the ruling against the JC for making up allegations of bullying against Louise Ellman (who also did nothing to correct this as far as I can see) suggest we have a media that is entirely compromised as a seeker of truth and balance. They are an intrinsic part of the problem in UK politics.
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Ah I just missed it - ta, will go and read. | |
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 12:41 - Mar 9 with 2458 views | jas0999 |
Depends on your political beliefs. Suspect Labour supporters would think it’s okay.
As it goes I think it will offend a lot of people. [Post edited 9 Mar 2020 12:43]
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 12:44 - Mar 9 with 2449 views | footers |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 12:41 - Mar 9 by jas0999 |
Depends on your political beliefs. Suspect Labour supporters would think it’s okay.
As it goes I think it will offend a lot of people. [Post edited 9 Mar 2020 12:43]
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Can you point out what's racist or offensive about it? I really can't see it. | |
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 12:47 - Mar 9 with 2437 views | StokieBlue |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 07:46 - Mar 9 by GlasgowBlue |
It would be offensive to portray a Jew or a Muslim as a pig. Portraying a Hindi as a cow/bull applies equally imo. |
I think that's a false equivalence.
One is regarded as dirty and one is regarded as sacred. If offence was caused by the images then it would have to be on different grounds.
I don't think the cartoon itself is racist. I could see that some might find it offensive and even then, offensive for different reasons.
Conversely, Patel, with her attitude, tactics and policies has left herself open for this type of satire.
Furthermore we have to consider if we want a world where every satirical image is endless debated in case it offended someone. I think most people were right behind Charlie Hebdo's right to draw the cartoons they did but now some people seem to be shifting away from that viewpoint - what is the catalyst for that - an interesting debate.
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 12:50 - Mar 9 with 2422 views | Pecker |
Bad taste maybe, but racist? Definitely not. |  | | |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 13:26 - Mar 9 with 2383 views | monytowbray |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 11:32 - Mar 9 by Lord_Lucan |
"Meanwhile we’ve had actual red laced skin heads show up in Ipswich holding racist signs to support the bigoted stickers put up around Town and the main discussion point is arguing over if it’s fascism or not"
From memory the argument was that you implied that these people were from Ipswich. |
Your memory isn’t great then. | |
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 13:35 - Mar 9 with 2373 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 13:26 - Mar 9 by monytowbray |
Your memory isn’t great then. |
Generally my memory is very bad but I remember the thread clearly, you suggested that it was the people of Ipswich and then when it became clear that it wasn't you post edited it - and they you went a bit daft and suggested you were being victimised. | |
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 13:37 - Mar 9 with 2362 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 11:18 - Mar 9 by hampstead_blue |
I'm not sure they need to this low.
I find it not satirical as Footers offers, but insulting actually.
I'm not a snowflake.
This is a cartoon I'd rather not have seen. TBH.
My comment about her 'hard working....' is there just to press the point that she's done very well to reach this High Office and for that I commend her. Not sure she is the devil she is made out to be.
The Sunday Times offered a view that the complaint made by the person who attempted suicide was not about PP but a Civil Servant in the office. I am quoting so haven't dug out all the evidence. Just quoting. |
They may not need to have gone so low, agreed. It's hard to know what goes on the bullying allegations to make too much of an argument around them. Personally, I think she's done enough that we do know about to make a strong case that she shouldn't be anywhere near government and in a position of responsibility.
That's the downside to this cartoon - it's a distraction from her record and behaviour as a Home Sec facilitating oppressive policies. It's a bit of an own goal from the Guardian in that respect. |  |
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 13:39 - Mar 9 with 2352 views | monytowbray |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 13:35 - Mar 9 by Lord_Lucan |
Generally my memory is very bad but I remember the thread clearly, you suggested that it was the people of Ipswich and then when it became clear that it wasn't you post edited it - and they you went a bit daft and suggested you were being victimised. |
I edit the OP one minute after posting due to an image embed issue.
And then you wonder why I often claim people choose to make up what I post.
No where in that post did I claim they were from Ipswich, I said they were on the streets of Ipswich.
Probably owed an apology there really. | |
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| Is this cartoon racist? on 13:41 - Mar 9 with 2339 views | GaryCooper |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 11:19 - Mar 9 by monytowbray |
Perhaps you should take your opinion on this and apply it to Dianne Abbot? Just a thought. |
Ms Abbott had added: ``And are Finnish girls, who may never have met a black person before, let alone touched one, best suited to nurse in multicultural Hackney?''
Poor old Diane the fekin racist. |  | | |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 13:51 - Mar 9 with 2316 views | SpruceMoose |
| Is this cartoon racist? on 13:41 - Mar 9 by GaryCooper |
Ms Abbott had added: ``And are Finnish girls, who may never have met a black person before, let alone touched one, best suited to nurse in multicultural Hackney?''
Poor old Diane the fekin racist. |
All this proves is that you really don't understand what racism is. |  |
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