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"`I am sure that these young women are charming. But they are basically here to improve their English and are unlikely to give the British health service a lifetime's commitment.''
"The issue is not one of colour - the issue is that people should not be recruited from overseas in an area of mass unemployment.''
Both seem rather reasoned comments to me.
What should be noted is merely another example of 'whataboutery' from 'righties' upset that they have lost yet another argument.
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Is this cartoon racist? on 14:59 - Mar 9 with 3175 views
Is this cartoon racist? on 14:32 - Mar 9 by giant_stow
Spruce, I don't want to take sides in yours and gary's developing dingdong, but any chance of explaining how that quote isn't racist? Genuinely interested with mind set to open...
Certainly Sir. I'm not saying it wasn't poorly judged thing to say, or perhaps a poorly worded thing to say, but the charge is that it was racist and I just don't see how it is.
I in no way speak for POC, but I can relay some thoughts that I have been told by POC. I have no reason to doubt their experiences.
Abbott is posing a question about how the needs of local minority communities are best served. Minorities experience systematic racism in many, tiny ways every day, in ways that the dominant race doesn't tend to consider - even something seemingly minor like plasters that don't match their skin tone or the majority of characters in their childhood books being White. I've been told that all of these tiny things can add up to bring about a feeling of being Other for POC. This isn't any White person's fault, it is a reflection that White tastes, preferences and requirements are the dominant ones in our culture.
Abbot's question, to me, is two fold.
1) Should we not be looking to equip local residents with the skills required to take on these jobs, so that they can contribute to their local areas (especially considering the economic difficulties present in said areas) before recruiting from already prosperous European countries?
2) Is it not valid to suggest that POC, many of who spend their lives battling against misapprehensions, misrepresentations and misunderstandings of their preferences and motivations might feel more at ease being cared for, at their most vulnerable, by people who are from their own community, who are like them and share similar experiences of being a minority their own country?
That isn't to say White Finnish people would do this job poorly, or wouldn't be mindful of cultural sensitivities, but it isn't racist in my opinion to highlight some of the potential issues. I know people might say 'well you couldn't say that about a black nurse in a largely White community' but White Finns have not suffered centuries of systematic racism in the UK. To me, the dominant power lies with one group over the other.
People are free to disagree obviously, but I'd like to think they could at least do it a little more eruditely, and with more nuance than has been displayed by some on this thread, where to be honest, I doubt the integrity and motivation behind of some of their reasoning.
[Post edited 9 Mar 2020 15:10]
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Still waiting for you own, original thoughts on why it is racist please.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Is this cartoon racist? on 14:44 - Mar 9 by HARRY10
or that you wish to see racism
"`I am sure that these young women are charming. But they are basically here to improve their English and are unlikely to give the British health service a lifetime's commitment.''
"The issue is not one of colour - the issue is that people should not be recruited from overseas in an area of mass unemployment.''
Both seem rather reasoned comments to me.
What should be noted is merely another example of 'whataboutery' from 'righties' upset that they have lost yet another argument.
Look out Harry there is a bear t...……………………………..sh1t too late!
H has gone full Farage with that support of:
"The issue is not one of colour - the issue is that people should not be recruited from overseas in an area of mass unemployment.''
`I am sure that these young women are charming. But they are basically here to improve their English and are unlikely to give the British health service a lifetime's commitment.''
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Is this cartoon racist? on 15:04 - Mar 9 with 3152 views
Is this cartoon racist? on 15:03 - Mar 9 by GaryCooper
Look out Harry there is a bear t...……………………………..sh1t too late!
H has gone full Farage with that support of:
"The issue is not one of colour - the issue is that people should not be recruited from overseas in an area of mass unemployment.''
`I am sure that these young women are charming. But they are basically here to improve their English and are unlikely to give the British health service a lifetime's commitment.''
Still waiting for you own, original thoughts on why it is racist please.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Is this cartoon racist? on 14:22 - Mar 9 by Lord_Lucan
Not really.
Your post was titled "Those of you not fussed about the rising right wing locally" - but these weren't local people, they were drafted in to counter an anti racist march.
You suggested that we have a problem locally, we don't
Ipswich lives in racial harmony.
You moved the goal posts. First you said I claimed they were local and edited my post. Now you’ve been proven wrong it’s something else.
Is this cartoon racist? on 15:00 - Mar 9 by SpruceMoose
Still waiting for you own, original thoughts on why it is racist please.
It is racial seperatism, racial separatism is the belief, most of the time based on racism, that different races should remain segregated and apart from one another. DA is advocating this.
I am reluctant to do this but would you accept Boris or Farage stating similar to DA about nurses from say the Gambia treating white east end pensioners?
Is this cartoon racist? on 15:20 - Mar 9 by GaryCooper
It is racial seperatism, racial separatism is the belief, most of the time based on racism, that different races should remain segregated and apart from one another. DA is advocating this.
I am reluctant to do this but would you accept Boris or Farage stating similar to DA about nurses from say the Gambia treating white east end pensioners?
Is this cartoon racist? on 15:20 - Mar 9 by GaryCooper
It is racial seperatism, racial separatism is the belief, most of the time based on racism, that different races should remain segregated and apart from one another. DA is advocating this.
I am reluctant to do this but would you accept Boris or Farage stating similar to DA about nurses from say the Gambia treating white east end pensioners?
Oh FFS.
Use your brain.
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Is this cartoon racist? on 15:23 - Mar 9 with 3083 views
Is this cartoon racist? on 15:20 - Mar 9 by GaryCooper
It is racial seperatism, racial separatism is the belief, most of the time based on racism, that different races should remain segregated and apart from one another. DA is advocating this.
I am reluctant to do this but would you accept Boris or Farage stating similar to DA about nurses from say the Gambia treating white east end pensioners?
Your first sentence is ludicrous. It's a complete reach for you to arrive at that conclusion based on what Abbott said. It isn't remotely what she said. You're twisting it, and I wonder why.
I've already covered your question in my reply Ullers.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Is this cartoon racist? on 15:23 - Mar 9 by SpruceMoose
Your first sentence is ludicrous. It's a complete reach for you to arrive at that conclusion based on what Abbott said. It isn't remotely what she said. You're twisting it, and I wonder why.
I've already covered your question in my reply Ullers.
Oh well.
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Is this cartoon racist? on 15:52 - Mar 9 with 3030 views
Is this cartoon racist? on 15:09 - Mar 9 by monytowbray
You moved the goal posts. First you said I claimed they were local and edited my post. Now you’ve been proven wrong it’s something else.
“Sorry Callis, my mistake”
It’s not that hard.
You did claim they were local...... and you did edit your post so I'm not sure what you are banging on about.
If you are saying that your edit wasn't relevant then fair enough but my argument was that you said they were local and they weren't.
You seized on a photo you were sent and in incredible haste and gusto rushed to post - "Those of you not fussed about the rising right wing locally" as if to imply firstly that we have a rising right wing in Ipswich and secondly that we aren't fussed.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Is this cartoon racist? on 15:20 - Mar 9 by GaryCooper
It is racial seperatism, racial separatism is the belief, most of the time based on racism, that different races should remain segregated and apart from one another. DA is advocating this.
I am reluctant to do this but would you accept Boris or Farage stating similar to DA about nurses from say the Gambia treating white east end pensioners?
a much more convincing defence than master cooper can be seen here
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Is this cartoon racist? on 16:10 - Mar 9 with 2998 views
Is this cartoon racist? on 14:59 - Mar 9 by SpruceMoose
Certainly Sir. I'm not saying it wasn't poorly judged thing to say, or perhaps a poorly worded thing to say, but the charge is that it was racist and I just don't see how it is.
I in no way speak for POC, but I can relay some thoughts that I have been told by POC. I have no reason to doubt their experiences.
Abbott is posing a question about how the needs of local minority communities are best served. Minorities experience systematic racism in many, tiny ways every day, in ways that the dominant race doesn't tend to consider - even something seemingly minor like plasters that don't match their skin tone or the majority of characters in their childhood books being White. I've been told that all of these tiny things can add up to bring about a feeling of being Other for POC. This isn't any White person's fault, it is a reflection that White tastes, preferences and requirements are the dominant ones in our culture.
Abbot's question, to me, is two fold.
1) Should we not be looking to equip local residents with the skills required to take on these jobs, so that they can contribute to their local areas (especially considering the economic difficulties present in said areas) before recruiting from already prosperous European countries?
2) Is it not valid to suggest that POC, many of who spend their lives battling against misapprehensions, misrepresentations and misunderstandings of their preferences and motivations might feel more at ease being cared for, at their most vulnerable, by people who are from their own community, who are like them and share similar experiences of being a minority their own country?
That isn't to say White Finnish people would do this job poorly, or wouldn't be mindful of cultural sensitivities, but it isn't racist in my opinion to highlight some of the potential issues. I know people might say 'well you couldn't say that about a black nurse in a largely White community' but White Finns have not suffered centuries of systematic racism in the UK. To me, the dominant power lies with one group over the other.
People are free to disagree obviously, but I'd like to think they could at least do it a little more eruditely, and with more nuance than has been displayed by some on this thread, where to be honest, I doubt the integrity and motivation behind of some of their reasoning.
[Post edited 9 Mar 2020 15:10]
Just a quick not to say thanks for your thoughts - out at the park so will read when im allowed to stop playing adult vs the rest!
Edit: Have read properly now. I must admit, while you make sense in most areas of your post, I'm unconvinced by your reasoning on why Abbott's comments on white Finns might be acceptable. I don't think you heal previous discrimination by applying more discrimination to even things up, no matter how well intentionned.
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Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Is this cartoon racist? on 16:10 - Mar 9 by giant_stow
Just a quick not to say thanks for your thoughts - out at the park so will read when im allowed to stop playing adult vs the rest!
Edit: Have read properly now. I must admit, while you make sense in most areas of your post, I'm unconvinced by your reasoning on why Abbott's comments on white Finns might be acceptable. I don't think you heal previous discrimination by applying more discrimination to even things up, no matter how well intentionned.
[Post edited 9 Mar 2020 17:10]
If that's what you took from the post maybe give it another read.
Racist - no, unpleasant - yes. As i would say about characters on any part of the political spectrum. Some seem to be tying themselves in knots trying to justify their differing answers.
Is this cartoon racist? on 19:23 - Mar 9 by giant_stow
Happy to disagree mr, but which bit do you think I've missed out of interest?
I just think you've missed about 90% of the context and nuance and essentially boiled it down to two wrongs don't make a right, which nobody is arguing is the case.
Is this cartoon racist? on 19:45 - Mar 9 by Herbivore
I just think you've missed about 90% of the context and nuance and essentially boiled it down to two wrongs don't make a right, which nobody is arguing is the case.
There was no point agreeing with the nuance point by point so, but yes all good and valid. Where i'd differ with you is at your conclusion - i think the undercurrent of the argument against gary is indeed of two wrongs making a right.
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
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