| Ending this Pandemic 17:22 - Apr 9 with 5535 views | Lord_Lucan |
Can someone with more grey matter than I advise how this pandemic is going to be extinguished?
By all accounts it isn't like SARS and is quite easy to transmit. Considering it jumped from a Pangolin or Bat to one person (lets just say in November) and has since covered the globe with lightening speed how can it be eradicated seeing that it is impossible to get back to zero infection.
TWTD assorted loons and crackpots need not reply. [Post edited 9 Apr 2020 17:53]
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| Ending this Pandemic on 20:32 - Apr 9 with 1971 views | Superfrans |
| Ending this Pandemic on 18:48 - Apr 9 by ThisIsMyUsername |
OK, so how long is it going to be until one is allowed to go within 2 metres, and/or have physical contact, with someone who is not from the same household as oneself?
Weeks? Months?
(I know that no one on here could possibly know the answers to these questions, obviously). |
As you say, nobody knows, but it could be a long long time.
I read someone yesterday suggesting that the football season may not be able to resume with spectators until some time in 2021. At a Government briefing the other day, it was suggested that some form of social distancing could be in place until the end of this year. I’m logging into a virtual conference next week which is promising a discussion on how the live industry will be affected by the likelihood of long term social distancing.
It is going to be a year, maybe two, until social distancing is a thing of the past. |  |
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| Ending this Pandemic on 20:58 - Apr 9 with 1938 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| Ending this Pandemic on 20:32 - Apr 9 by Superfrans |
As you say, nobody knows, but it could be a long long time.
I read someone yesterday suggesting that the football season may not be able to resume with spectators until some time in 2021. At a Government briefing the other day, it was suggested that some form of social distancing could be in place until the end of this year. I’m logging into a virtual conference next week which is promising a discussion on how the live industry will be affected by the likelihood of long term social distancing.
It is going to be a year, maybe two, until social distancing is a thing of the past. |
I honestly don't think it will be that long as the public just won't tolerate it anymore after a while, and the government won't want to install far stricter measures which would be necessary to ensure distancing continues, for fear of losing popularity.
Or I'm talking sh1te which is quite likely. |  |
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| Ending this Pandemic on 21:00 - Apr 9 with 1938 views | BloomBlue |
| Ending this Pandemic on 18:48 - Apr 9 by ThisIsMyUsername |
OK, so how long is it going to be until one is allowed to go within 2 metres, and/or have physical contact, with someone who is not from the same household as oneself?
Weeks? Months?
(I know that no one on here could possibly know the answers to these questions, obviously). |
Maybe the Gov will relent and follow the WHO on distancing and go for the WHO's 1 metre distance guideline rather than the 2 metre then at least you can get closer. |  | | |
| Ending this Pandemic on 21:17 - Apr 9 with 1912 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Ending this Pandemic on 21:00 - Apr 9 by BloomBlue |
Maybe the Gov will relent and follow the WHO on distancing and go for the WHO's 1 metre distance guideline rather than the 2 metre then at least you can get closer. |
I would be more comfortable if the government kept it at 2 meters as from what I have seen the public are halving what they are told. | |
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| Ending this Pandemic on 21:28 - Apr 9 with 1893 views | BloomBlue |
| Ending this Pandemic on 21:17 - Apr 9 by Lord_Lucan |
I would be more comfortable if the government kept it at 2 meters as from what I have seen the public are halving what they are told. |
How is it going with the distancing from your Mum I know said on another thread you were concerned how it would go? | | | |
| Ending this Pandemic on 21:37 - Apr 9 with 1881 views | jeera |
| Ending this Pandemic on 18:12 - Apr 9 by Lord_Lucan |
I'm just addressing the potential problem of eradicating the virus completely as no one at all seems to be addressing this.
Noticeably replies are in short supply here as well whereas if it were a post about what governments are doing wrong then it would be on page 4 for sure already with hoards of disaffected experts. |
Surely you mean disinfected experts? |  |
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| Ending this Pandemic on 21:41 - Apr 9 with 1878 views | jeera |
| Ending this Pandemic on 18:44 - Apr 9 by Lord_Lucan |
The thing is that we are not used to this kind of thing in the west, In China it's a thing.
At least if and when we get through this we will be socially more prepared to deal with a second wave or another strain.
I am adhering to all the guidelines but personally I am not overly worried about it as in the scale of things deaths are tiny and deaths amongst young healthy people are even more remote. If though it started affecting youngsters in a big way I would be panicking. |
Like you, I'm no expert either.
But surely the more people who catch it, the more the chance of mutations and so further spreading and the more it might adapt to various hosts and their immune systems? | |
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| Ending this Pandemic on 21:41 - Apr 9 with 1878 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Ending this Pandemic on 21:28 - Apr 9 by BloomBlue |
How is it going with the distancing from your Mum I know said on another thread you were concerned how it would go? |
To be honest it's a doddle, we are so fortunate because we can all simply sit in the garden, apart from having to keep the grandkid away from immediate contact it's no hardship. We are lucky, most people are worse off, many a lot worse.
The biggest problem is my daughter not seeing her son because he has moved in with us because she works in care and is going to get a hit - although I'm not sure how much longer this can go on because of the mental pressure my daughter is facing. At the end of the day it's up to her but seeing as this is going to run and run maybe we should just take our chances - as long as Mother is at arms length. | |
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| Ending this Pandemic on 21:54 - Apr 9 with 1861 views | BloomBlue |
| Ending this Pandemic on 21:41 - Apr 9 by Lord_Lucan |
To be honest it's a doddle, we are so fortunate because we can all simply sit in the garden, apart from having to keep the grandkid away from immediate contact it's no hardship. We are lucky, most people are worse off, many a lot worse.
The biggest problem is my daughter not seeing her son because he has moved in with us because she works in care and is going to get a hit - although I'm not sure how much longer this can go on because of the mental pressure my daughter is facing. At the end of the day it's up to her but seeing as this is going to run and run maybe we should just take our chances - as long as Mother is at arms length. |
Glad its going smoothly with your Mum.
For us it's the great grandchildren. The kids and grandchildren we can talk to, even see/talk by them standing outside and us talking via the open front door, but not being able to hold the youngest great grandchildren is torture. I dont think either of us thought it would be this difficult. | | | |
| Ending this Pandemic on 21:55 - Apr 9 with 1864 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Ending this Pandemic on 20:58 - Apr 9 by ThisIsMyUsername |
I honestly don't think it will be that long as the public just won't tolerate it anymore after a while, and the government won't want to install far stricter measures which would be necessary to ensure distancing continues, for fear of losing popularity.
Or I'm talking sh1te which is quite likely. |
I work at the FCO. The public would be petrified at what we model around this and talking to other Governments, we are not alone in similar thinking.
You’ll see no easing until May and potentially even tightening of the restrictions in the next 7-10 days. All depends how moronic people are this weekend.
There will certainly be no return to ‘normal’ this year.
Edit: a good article here
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-coronavirus-lockdown-end-date [Post edited 9 Apr 2020 22:06]
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| Ending this Pandemic on 22:08 - Apr 9 with 1849 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Ending this Pandemic on 21:54 - Apr 9 by BloomBlue |
Glad its going smoothly with your Mum.
For us it's the great grandchildren. The kids and grandchildren we can talk to, even see/talk by them standing outside and us talking via the open front door, but not being able to hold the youngest great grandchildren is torture. I dont think either of us thought it would be this difficult. |
I can fully understand - this is why we are lucky with Mother, the weather is nice and we can all be outside, she can tender her part of the garden or simply have a cup of tea and do some knitting while the nipper runs around in everyones view.
Everytime I get a bit hacked off with things I just think of some 90 year old biddy on her own in a high rise in Tottenham, or some poor old single mother with three young kids.
Let's not even imagine women and kids in abusive relationships or people caring at home for their mums, dads or kids.
Let's count our blessings! | |
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| Ending this Pandemic on 22:59 - Apr 9 with 1811 views | Plums |
| Ending this Pandemic on 19:50 - Apr 9 by Pecker |
No. |
I’m intrigued. ‘Science’ has a huge breadth. What makes you critical of it all? |  |
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| Ending this Pandemic on 05:33 - Apr 10 with 1754 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Have to say I’m not doing great with this pandemic isolation now. Chose to stay at uni in my house to shield my kid brother (he’s high risk for the virus) and now the boredom has turned into nothingness. Can feel myself slipping into old habits here. I’ve had trouble with my mind in the past but never anxiousness. Feel like that’s coming now. It’s a draining one every day at the moment. My brothers workmate died of it a couple of days ago too which just enforced that I can’t really go home in case my brother gets it to him from when I’ve gone shopping here. I mean everyone’s in the same boat and I’m lucky that I’m not in financial strife because of it so I shouldn’t really moan. Don’t mean to be a bit look at me there but I needed to rant. TWTD is great for a rant.
Reading TWTD being 99% Coronavirus related (fair enough) and seeing the news being focused solely on it just adds to the jazz. With that in mind, I might be off here for a bit. Hopefully footy will be back soon, everyone will be alright and we can all relax again. Incredible what the NHS are dealing with. Crazy times. Stay safe lads. |  |
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| Ending this Pandemic on 07:44 - Apr 10 with 1701 views | Ace_High1 |
| Ending this Pandemic on 21:55 - Apr 9 by ElderGrizzly |
I work at the FCO. The public would be petrified at what we model around this and talking to other Governments, we are not alone in similar thinking.
You’ll see no easing until May and potentially even tightening of the restrictions in the next 7-10 days. All depends how moronic people are this weekend.
There will certainly be no return to ‘normal’ this year.
Edit: a good article here
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-coronavirus-lockdown-end-date [Post edited 9 Apr 2020 22:06]
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Oh man doesn't sound good, rest of this year with restrictions. I know its in all our minds just when you actually stop to consider it that is going to be hard. |  | | |
| Ending this Pandemic on 09:35 - Apr 10 with 1657 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Ending this Pandemic on 07:44 - Apr 10 by Ace_High1 |
Oh man doesn't sound good, rest of this year with restrictions. I know its in all our minds just when you actually stop to consider it that is going to be hard. |
There will likely be rolling restrictions/lockdowns of various degrees across the rest of the year and certainly no return to normal (whatever that is!) until a vaccine is in place and/or testing is being carried out in the millions. Including ideally the anti-body test.
We are probably looking at 18-24 months to see completely free choice in our lives again across the world, with travel systems back up etc etc | | | |
| Ending this Pandemic on 10:10 - Apr 10 with 1629 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Ending this Pandemic on 05:33 - Apr 10 by The_Romford_Blue |
Have to say I’m not doing great with this pandemic isolation now. Chose to stay at uni in my house to shield my kid brother (he’s high risk for the virus) and now the boredom has turned into nothingness. Can feel myself slipping into old habits here. I’ve had trouble with my mind in the past but never anxiousness. Feel like that’s coming now. It’s a draining one every day at the moment. My brothers workmate died of it a couple of days ago too which just enforced that I can’t really go home in case my brother gets it to him from when I’ve gone shopping here. I mean everyone’s in the same boat and I’m lucky that I’m not in financial strife because of it so I shouldn’t really moan. Don’t mean to be a bit look at me there but I needed to rant. TWTD is great for a rant.
Reading TWTD being 99% Coronavirus related (fair enough) and seeing the news being focused solely on it just adds to the jazz. With that in mind, I might be off here for a bit. Hopefully footy will be back soon, everyone will be alright and we can all relax again. Incredible what the NHS are dealing with. Crazy times. Stay safe lads. |
Maybe you need a hobby. Being so young it's a great time to learn something new - guitar, French, how to write screenplays, portrait painting. Something to focus your mind on... and could leave you with a great new skill.
With all this extra free time, wouldn't it be great to do something positive with it (which would also help with the mental aspect)?! |  |
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| Ending this Pandemic on 10:21 - Apr 10 with 1619 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| Ending this Pandemic on 09:35 - Apr 10 by ElderGrizzly |
There will likely be rolling restrictions/lockdowns of various degrees across the rest of the year and certainly no return to normal (whatever that is!) until a vaccine is in place and/or testing is being carried out in the millions. Including ideally the anti-body test.
We are probably looking at 18-24 months to see completely free choice in our lives again across the world, with travel systems back up etc etc |
So what do you make of that oncologist Karol Sikora saying for example that pubs will be open again in a couple of months (see the thread re CV-19 scaremongering on Twitter). Completely untrue and unrealistic?
If so then surely it is irresponsible for someone in his position to be saying things like that as it's going to give people false hope and be more damaging in the long-term | |
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| Ending this Pandemic on 10:26 - Apr 10 with 1609 views | NthQldITFC |
| Ending this Pandemic on 22:59 - Apr 9 by Plums |
I’m intrigued. ‘Science’ has a huge breadth. What makes you critical of it all? |
Binary, innit.
Or is it? |  |
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| Ending this Pandemic on 11:09 - Apr 10 with 1585 views | Radlett_blue |
| Ending this Pandemic on 09:35 - Apr 10 by ElderGrizzly |
There will likely be rolling restrictions/lockdowns of various degrees across the rest of the year and certainly no return to normal (whatever that is!) until a vaccine is in place and/or testing is being carried out in the millions. Including ideally the anti-body test.
We are probably looking at 18-24 months to see completely free choice in our lives again across the world, with travel systems back up etc etc |
Sadly, I think you're right. The tricky thing will be the gradual relaxation of restrictions, which is vital if governments are not to run out of money, but international travel is likely to be one of the last things to return to "normal". |  |
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| Ending this Pandemic on 11:15 - Apr 10 with 1576 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| Ending this Pandemic on 11:09 - Apr 10 by Radlett_blue |
Sadly, I think you're right. The tricky thing will be the gradual relaxation of restrictions, which is vital if governments are not to run out of money, but international travel is likely to be one of the last things to return to "normal". |
But aren't the chances that a vaccine will be ready quicker than 18-24 months? 12 months I thought roughly for a vaccine to be good to go. | |
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| Ending this Pandemic on 11:26 - Apr 10 with 1570 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Corona virus as a global health problem probably wont ever end - and the changes on the world will be somewhat profound. The massive economic problems that will destroy the lives of generations to come, many of whom already have been denied thetwin brit obsesssion of home ownership and a pension by needless austerity measures will now be asked to re-boot the welfare state and economy through massive tax increases... working in parallel with a huge downturn in global trade and travel. Most perople might forget what cash looks like too.
The recurring problem starts when it gets into parts of africa where you cant readily wash your hands - let alone find a canister of oxygen. Then it jumps back into europe..... |  |
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| Ending this Pandemic on 11:31 - Apr 10 with 1563 views | Ace_High1 |
| Ending this Pandemic on 09:35 - Apr 10 by ElderGrizzly |
There will likely be rolling restrictions/lockdowns of various degrees across the rest of the year and certainly no return to normal (whatever that is!) until a vaccine is in place and/or testing is being carried out in the millions. Including ideally the anti-body test.
We are probably looking at 18-24 months to see completely free choice in our lives again across the world, with travel systems back up etc etc |
The sensible part of me does appreciate that. I was just clinging on to being able to have a trip towards the end of the year once we are on the other side and trying to keep that to look forward to. | | | |
| Ending this Pandemic on 12:16 - Apr 10 with 1531 views | badadski |
| Ending this Pandemic on 20:22 - Apr 9 by factual_blue |
In your case the answer is 'not before the restraining order is lifted'. |
Watch the film on Netflix Contagion. It was 2011 movie, loads of big actors and based a lot on the original SARS pandemic that actually lasted 2 years and was far less dangerous. Could give an idea of how long this could last. Original SARS worldwide over 2 years killed less than 1000 people.
It shows how serious COVID 19 is.
The film is actually quote informative as it talks about all the spread ratios etc. | | | |
| Ending this Pandemic on 12:44 - Apr 10 with 1496 views | Leaky |
| Ending this Pandemic on 17:27 - Apr 9 by MattinLondon |
If you want someone to reply then you shouldn’t have written the last sentence. |
Why I thought the last sentence was very appropriate. More perceived experts on here than the rest of the planet combined. |  | | |
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