| Where will we be in 8 games time? 08:40 - Nov 11 with 7671 views | itfcjoe |
Sat 21 Nov 3:00pm Shrewsbury Town H
Tue 24 Nov 7:00pm Hull City H
Sat 28 Nov 3:00pm Charlton Athletic H
Tue 1 Dec 7:45pm Oxford United A
Sat 5 Dec 3:00pm Plymouth Argyle A
Sat 12 Dec 3:00pm Portsmouth H
Tue 15 Dec 7:45pm Burton Albion H
Sat 19 Dec 3:00pm Peterborough United A
The season, and Lambert's future, hinges on these 8 games. 5 at home, 5 against sides who you expect to be right up there (if Oxford sort themselves out...) and only one spare midweek.
I'm happy for the Cup's to be written off this year, it is a freak season.
But get the next 8 games wrong and a change will have to come before January.
With 5 games at home, you need to be picking up a minimum of 13-14 points if we want to be competing at the top end this season.
If we drop down to a point or so per game then we are in big, big trouble as a football club. |  |
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| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 10:29 - Nov 11 with 2073 views | itfcjoe |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 10:18 - Nov 11 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Disagree aside from the point about the latter games where I think confidence was completely gone and we were going into games expecting to lose
Before that though we should have beaten Sunderland at home, were probably the better team at Peterborough, should have beaten Wycombe twice, matched Coventry away and same with Oxford away. Plus the win at Fleetwood
It was only really the Rotherham games that we’d been properly bad - until the wheels really came off
It’s all too familiar this time around unfortunately |
Yeh, don't disagree with much of that on reflection.
I'm ultimately expecting us to fail this season with PL in charge, there have been enough signs that we have turned a corner somewhat, but there is also enough to show that we haven't.
I think the season hangs in the balance between now and Xmas, it is a brutal schedule for everyone and we should have the squad to come of it in good shape - but do I think we will? Not really. | |
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| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 10:30 - Nov 11 with 2066 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 09:48 - Nov 11 by tractorboy1978 |
At the end of the day, we've got the squad to beat all of those. Will we? No. But it's a really sad indictment of where we are as a club that people are looking at those 8 games and saying 14pts from a possible 24 is optimistic. |
I think you are right, the squad on paper looks as though it should deliver, but how many times have we said that over the past 18 months and they have failed to do so.
Will be the litmus test next 8 games. I'm strangely looking forward to them, probably won't be feeling this way 20th Dec mind you. |  |
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| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 10:33 - Nov 11 with 2059 views | portmanking |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 10:30 - Nov 11 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
I think you are right, the squad on paper looks as though it should deliver, but how many times have we said that over the past 18 months and they have failed to do so.
Will be the litmus test next 8 games. I'm strangely looking forward to them, probably won't be feeling this way 20th Dec mind you. |
Your top paragraph says it all for where this club is really.
Too many overrated, underperforming/inconsistent players, not quite stealing a living but nowhere near living up to their billing. Yes, that's Lambert's fault to an extent. It's also the culmination of a lack of direction/winning mentality from top to bottom.
Next summer's clearout can't come soon enough for me. |  | | |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 10:50 - Nov 11 with 2023 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 10:29 - Nov 11 by itfcjoe |
Yeh, don't disagree with much of that on reflection.
I'm ultimately expecting us to fail this season with PL in charge, there have been enough signs that we have turned a corner somewhat, but there is also enough to show that we haven't.
I think the season hangs in the balance between now and Xmas, it is a brutal schedule for everyone and we should have the squad to come of it in good shape - but do I think we will? Not really. |
Yeah agree. Particularly with the bit that I’m expecting us to fail which is why this all seems so frustrating really - but obviously I hope I’m massively wrong on that seeing as a change doesn’t seem likely! |  |
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| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 11:11 - Nov 11 with 2016 views | Steve_M |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 10:50 - Nov 11 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Yeah agree. Particularly with the bit that I’m expecting us to fail which is why this all seems so frustrating really - but obviously I hope I’m massively wrong on that seeing as a change doesn’t seem likely! |
And coming back on your earlier points, I'm with the majority in not being confident we won't fall away like last season but the original point was that we shouldn't assume it will happen before it does.
The last month of last season was clearly dreadful but the failure to win a game for two months was what really undermined the season. I think we'll probably avoid that this time but the difference between us playing confidently and arsing around at the back is enormous - as demonstrated against Sunderland and Portsmouth. |  |
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| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 11:14 - Nov 11 with 2010 views | IpswichKnight |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 10:29 - Nov 11 by itfcjoe |
Yeh, don't disagree with much of that on reflection.
I'm ultimately expecting us to fail this season with PL in charge, there have been enough signs that we have turned a corner somewhat, but there is also enough to show that we haven't.
I think the season hangs in the balance between now and Xmas, it is a brutal schedule for everyone and we should have the squad to come of it in good shape - but do I think we will? Not really. |
Agree with you Joe, this season is starting to show the same pattern as last season abut with a bit more of a plan. I’m not going to die in a ditch to get rid of Lambert over an EFL trophy game! It will as we will see come to a head after those 3 straight hone games if we lose those especially the 2 to Hull and Charlton then I can see ME pulling the trigger. | | | |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 11:16 - Nov 11 with 2004 views | Beckets |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 10:27 - Nov 11 by itfcjoe |
Yep, I don't disagree - I personally think 22 points from the 11 games is about fair for us - and 2ppg will get us up, or very close to going up.
If we are still on 2ppg on Xmas Day then the majority of questions will have pretty firmly been answered, but I think most fans aren't expecting that to be the case. Hopefully we are wrong, and the extra time off the squad has had can see us through a ruinous run of fixtures. |
The 1.75ppg usually enough for a play off position requires us to get 11 points from the next 8 games, say 3 wins 2 draws and 3 defeats. Borderline I’d say which means we could well be out of the play off positions at Christmas. That should be enough for Evans to get shot of Lambert and his staff but I fear he’d rather keep his money in his pocket. |  | | |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 11:57 - Nov 11 with 1963 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 10:30 - Nov 11 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
I think you are right, the squad on paper looks as though it should deliver, but how many times have we said that over the past 18 months and they have failed to do so.
Will be the litmus test next 8 games. I'm strangely looking forward to them, probably won't be feeling this way 20th Dec mind you. |
We were unbelievably bad post mid-November last year. We won 4 out of 21. Even average form would have seen us scraping the play-offs. I just don't see us being THAT consistently poor again. I may of course be wrong and as you say the next 8 games will be revealing. | | | |
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| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 11:59 - Nov 11 with 1959 views | TractorBoyOlly |
How have you come to that 'pivotal' 8 game conclusion?
One game at a time, we should beat Shrewsbury and if we don't i'd be worried. It's too tight to be looking that far ahead. | |
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| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 12:11 - Nov 11 with 1940 views | itfcjoe |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 11:59 - Nov 11 by TractorBoyOlly |
How have you come to that 'pivotal' 8 game conclusion?
One game at a time, we should beat Shrewsbury and if we don't i'd be worried. It's too tight to be looking that far ahead. |
It's a run of games that involves the top teams - by the end of it we'll have played direct rivals in Charlton, Hull, Pompey and Peterborough, plus potential rivals in Oxford, and a tough game away at Plymouth. All done in a mad schedule with no breaks.
We'll know what we are after that run, if it starts terribly we may not what we are well before then | |
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| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 12:22 - Nov 11 with 1925 views | Metal_Hacker |
For me personally I've been neither a supporter of PL or none supporter ,I've been a supporter of the team I've loved for too many years I care to mention now (approx 45 for the record )
I can honestly say though that the past few weeks have got me a little twitchy in terms of performances and results
I've remained on the fence ref PL for the most but these 8 games may well push me off and dare I suggest , I might actually be calling for his head too
This pattern just can't keep happening . My worry being who the ferk will Evans bring in to mess it up yet again
Vicious circle [Post edited 11 Nov 2020 12:30]
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| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 12:32 - Nov 11 with 1917 views | JackPITFC |
Sat 21 Nov 3:00pm Shrewsbury Town H - Win
Tue 24 Nov 7:00pm Hull City H - Draw
Sat 28 Nov 3:00pm Charlton Athletic H - Lose
Tue 1 Dec 7:45pm Oxford United A - Draw
Sat 5 Dec 3:00pm Plymouth Argyle A - Lose
Sat 12 Dec 3:00pm Portsmouth H - Draw
Tue 15 Dec 7:45pm Burton Albion H - Win
Sat 19 Dec 3:00pm Peterborough United A - Lose
9 Points for me. | | | |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 13:41 - Nov 11 with 1884 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 10:33 - Nov 11 by portmanking |
Your top paragraph says it all for where this club is really.
Too many overrated, underperforming/inconsistent players, not quite stealing a living but nowhere near living up to their billing. Yes, that's Lambert's fault to an extent. It's also the culmination of a lack of direction/winning mentality from top to bottom.
Next summer's clearout can't come soon enough for me. |
Absolutely.
Almost a cocktail of failure. Lambert of course holds some responsibility in there, the players likewise hold a similar level of responsibility. As does Evans.
I think the only credible people on the football side are the ones involved involved in the academy. | |
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| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 14:22 - Nov 11 with 1853 views | quirkie |
Sat 21 Nov 3:00pm Shrewsbury Town H Win
Tue 24 Nov 7:00pm Hull City H Lose
Sat 28 Nov 3:00pm Charlton Athletic H Lose
Tue 1 Dec 7:45pm Oxford United A Draw
Sat 5 Dec 3:00pm Plymouth Argyle A Lose
Sat 12 Dec 3:00pm Portsmouth H Draw
Tue 15 Dec 7:45pm Burton Albion H Win
Sat 19 Dec 3:00pm Peterborough United A Lose
8pts from 24, will put as firmly in mid table. |  |
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| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 14:30 - Nov 11 with 1841 views | Vaughan8 |
I would hope we would get at least 10 points from the home games and then probably 2-4 points from the away games so I'll go for 12-14 points.
I think we would all take the 2ppg discussed above. 16 points from those games would be great!
If we don't win any of the first 3 games, the pressure has to surely be on. | | | |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 14:31 - Nov 11 with 1839 views | waveneyblue |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 09:13 - Nov 11 by ITFC_Forever |
Sat 21 Nov 3:00pm Shrewsbury Town H - Win
Tue 24 Nov 7:00pm Hull City H - Lose
Sat 28 Nov 3:00pm Charlton Athletic H - Draw
Tue 1 Dec 7:45pm Oxford United A - Draw
Sat 5 Dec 3:00pm Plymouth Argyle A - Lose
Sat 12 Dec 3:00pm Portsmouth H - Lose
Tue 15 Dec 7:45pm Burton Albion H - Win
Sat 19 Dec 3:00pm Peterborough United A - Lose
8 points, and out of the top six. A repeat of last season. |
Hard to disagree with much of this - perhaps a point at home to Charlton and away to Oxford is too hopeful.
Being the natural pessimist , I am going with 6 points, 2 home wins Shrewsbury and Burton -
Around 10th going into Christmas !
and Zero sign of Evans doing a thing about it
God I hope I'm wrong |  | | |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 16:28 - Nov 11 with 1778 views | MonkeyAlan |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 09:48 - Nov 11 by tractorboy1978 |
At the end of the day, we've got the squad to beat all of those. Will we? No. But it's a really sad indictment of where we are as a club that people are looking at those 8 games and saying 14pts from a possible 24 is optimistic. |
We haven't got the squad to beat them. They have proved that for 2 seasons now. All we have is a big squad of pretty average players. |  | | |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 16:35 - Nov 11 with 1766 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 16:28 - Nov 11 by MonkeyAlan |
We haven't got the squad to beat them. They have proved that for 2 seasons now. All we have is a big squad of pretty average players. |
Yes we have. A largely second string side drew with Portsmouth's starting 11 over 90 minutes last Saturday. They may be better coached than us but that's a different argument. | | | |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 16:46 - Nov 11 with 1754 views | hype313 |
We'll either be top or thereabouts, which means Lambert will be safe as he would have broken the top 8 voodoo and we would be in a commanding position, or we will crash and burn and Lambert will be off with his P45.
I don't want to think about the inbetween which would mean we are in no mans land, a sniff away from the top but Cleary not going to mount a promotion challenge, one where Lambert is still in situ. |  |
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| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 18:21 - Nov 11 with 1710 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
Looking for a new manager is my money |  |
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| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 18:28 - Nov 11 with 1710 views | IpswichBoyBlue |
Sat 21 Nov 3:00pm Shrewsbury Town H - Win
Tue 24 Nov 7:00pm Hull City H - Lose
Sat 28 Nov 3:00pm Charlton Athletic H - Win
Tue 1 Dec 7:45pm Oxford United A - Draw
Sat 5 Dec 3:00pm Plymouth Argyle A - Win
Sat 12 Dec 3:00pm Portsmouth H - Win
Tue 15 Dec 7:45pm Burton Albion H - Win
Sat 19 Dec 3:00pm Peterborough United A - Win
That should keep us in the top 2.
I am always a glass three quarters full kind guy. |  | | |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 19:19 - Nov 11 with 1693 views | Keaneish |
16 pts required, don’t care against who. 2pts per game should get you promoted, that has to be the minimum target from that 8. |  |
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| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 20:24 - Nov 11 with 1669 views | Chrisd |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 12:11 - Nov 11 by itfcjoe |
It's a run of games that involves the top teams - by the end of it we'll have played direct rivals in Charlton, Hull, Pompey and Peterborough, plus potential rivals in Oxford, and a tough game away at Plymouth. All done in a mad schedule with no breaks.
We'll know what we are after that run, if it starts terribly we may not what we are well before then |
Your points are completely valid Joe, but the one thing that is missing is ME and his thoughts. We’re saying the failure to get X amount of points will see PL get the boot after these next 8 games, but that’s us as fans. I’m not so sure that ME thinks that way and naturally he’s the one that really matters in this whole process. [Post edited 11 Nov 2020 20:30]
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| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 21:12 - Nov 11 with 1635 views | WD19 |
Automatic promotion contenders would need to get 15-16 from that lot.
I think we might get 10-11 at best.
Don’t panic though....we will still be mathematically in touch with the play off places in February. |  | | |
| Where will we be in 8 games time? on 21:28 - Nov 11 with 1617 views | ElderGrizzly |
I can't see us getting more than 8 or 9 points sadly.
Lambert has paid lip service to demands for a change in approach and he is rapidly falling into the same pattern of last year.
No clear way of playing, the beginning of a bit of tinkering and playing some players who on form should not be near the XI. |  | | |
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