| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? 11:07 - Nov 18 with 9959 views | Steve_M |
Anyway, right decision from Starmer. Labour needs to demonstrate that it's complaints procedures are robust and yesterday failed at that regardless of the verdict reached. |  |
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 13:53 - Nov 18 with 1093 views | giant_stow |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 13:51 - Nov 18 by GlasgowBlue |
Corbyn’s five years are defined by antisemtism, not able to put forward a coherent position on Brexit and losing two general elections to the worst two Prime ministers in living memory.
As I said on another thread, those Corbyn supporters who continually defend him turn a blind eye to his failings are the same as trump supporters but just have a better command of the English language. The cult like following is identical.
Even the excuses over election defeats. With Trump supporters it’s fraud. With the Corbynites it was the backstabbed who robbed him of election victory.
The sooner he’s consigned to the dustbin of history we can all move on. |
"Even the excuses over election defeats. With Trump supporters it’s fraud. With the Corbynites it was the backstabbed who robbed him of election victory."
So true. |  |
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 13:55 - Nov 18 with 1088 views | Keno |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 13:51 - Nov 18 by GlasgowBlue |
Corbyn’s five years are defined by antisemtism, not able to put forward a coherent position on Brexit and losing two general elections to the worst two Prime ministers in living memory.
As I said on another thread, those Corbyn supporters who continually defend him turn a blind eye to his failings are the same as trump supporters but just have a better command of the English language. The cult like following is identical.
Even the excuses over election defeats. With Trump supporters it’s fraud. With the Corbynites it was the backstabbed who robbed him of election victory.
The sooner he’s consigned to the dustbin of history we can all move on. |
At the time we needed a half decent opposition Labour were particular bad at the last election
and yes the LD's were even worse |  |
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 13:55 - Nov 18 with 1088 views | StokieBlue |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 13:48 - Nov 18 by Darth_Koont |
At the time of the worst Tory government and a ludicrous response to handling the pandemic and Brexit? And with Starmer given a free ride and almost positive bias?
I think the underlying electoral position looks pretty weak considering. Just wait until the politics really starts and other issues come to the fore. |
Do you feel the underlying electoral position would look stronger with the type of candidate and polices you are consistently pushing for?
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:02 - Nov 18 with 1062 views | Darth_Koont |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 13:45 - Nov 18 by giant_stow |
Corbynite Labour lost every election they possibly could and then their leader was voted out by Labour members. Remember?
I voted labour at both the last general elections - I take it you did too? Or did the SNP turn your head?
Live with the results of your side's failures. Until you accept them, you won't be able to move on and think rationally. |
Corybnite labour as you put it voted for a candidate in Starmer that promised unity and who states he is a socialist. But it seems he’s as factional as they come and interested in political management not policies.
I think the failure was in not fighting back far harder and naively thinking that people cared about the issues and policies more than playing games.
I hope you’re happy with a hopelessly divided party, an uninspiring leader and a lack of direction and energy. And here’s hoping that the party starts looking left and not right when they realise that they don’t have any compelling ideas or genuine political relevance. |  |
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:05 - Nov 18 with 1046 views | JakeITFC |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 13:53 - Nov 18 by giant_stow |
"Even the excuses over election defeats. With Trump supporters it’s fraud. With the Corbynites it was the backstabbed who robbed him of election victory."
So true. |
But whilst the Trump fraud stuff is made up, the internal factions working against Corbyn is demonstrably true.
Whether it cost Labour an election is very much up for debate, but to deny it happened is wrong. |  | | |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:12 - Nov 18 with 1035 views | giant_stow |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:05 - Nov 18 by JakeITFC |
But whilst the Trump fraud stuff is made up, the internal factions working against Corbyn is demonstrably true.
Whether it cost Labour an election is very much up for debate, but to deny it happened is wrong. |
Is it really up for debate in an 80 seat kicking? Being divded over the form of Brexit and the reuslting big cull of Tory MPs didn't stop the Tories winning.
They lost because of incompetence in presenting too many policies at once, their lame approach to brexit and yes, to some degree, people couldn't stomach the antisemitism. | |
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:14 - Nov 18 with 1030 views | Beckets |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:02 - Nov 18 by Darth_Koont |
Corybnite labour as you put it voted for a candidate in Starmer that promised unity and who states he is a socialist. But it seems he’s as factional as they come and interested in political management not policies.
I think the failure was in not fighting back far harder and naively thinking that people cared about the issues and policies more than playing games.
I hope you’re happy with a hopelessly divided party, an uninspiring leader and a lack of direction and energy. And here’s hoping that the party starts looking left and not right when they realise that they don’t have any compelling ideas or genuine political relevance. |
Umm a hopelessly divided party, an uninspiring leader and a lack of direction and energy. Are you talking about Corbyn and his performance during the 2016 referendum there? |  | | |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:19 - Nov 18 with 1019 views | Darth_Koont |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 13:55 - Nov 18 by StokieBlue |
Do you feel the underlying electoral position would look stronger with the type of candidate and polices you are consistently pushing for?
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Yes. Longer-term anyway as any sober analysis of the UK shows systemic issues at the root of almost all the major questions like the economy, welfare, health and education.
Triangulating around values of family, nation and opportunity isn’t just missing the point, it’s playing directly into the hands of the Tories when the real battle starts. Meanwhile issues like the regional imbalance are being owned by the SNP, the Tories are going to own and naturally limit the potential of a Green economic renewal, systemic racism will be handled by minority groups and movements while being channelled in the political sphere into the next right-wing populism event: The Culture War.
Meanwhile Labour stands for ... competence? Well, let’s see how long that lasts when the leadership already looks incompetent, untrustworthy and clueless in its party management. | |
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:19 - Nov 18 with 1020 views | factual_blue |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 12:31 - Nov 18 by giant_stow |
She was pretty in her youth - time's just kinder to some than others. |
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:21 - Nov 18 with 1006 views | giant_stow |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:19 - Nov 18 by factual_blue |
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You a fan too factual? No denying she was pretty back then. | |
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:22 - Nov 18 with 1005 views | itfcjoe |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:19 - Nov 18 by Darth_Koont |
Yes. Longer-term anyway as any sober analysis of the UK shows systemic issues at the root of almost all the major questions like the economy, welfare, health and education.
Triangulating around values of family, nation and opportunity isn’t just missing the point, it’s playing directly into the hands of the Tories when the real battle starts. Meanwhile issues like the regional imbalance are being owned by the SNP, the Tories are going to own and naturally limit the potential of a Green economic renewal, systemic racism will be handled by minority groups and movements while being channelled in the political sphere into the next right-wing populism event: The Culture War.
Meanwhile Labour stands for ... competence? Well, let’s see how long that lasts when the leadership already looks incompetent, untrustworthy and clueless in its party management. |
"Meanwhile Labour stands for ... competence? Well, let’s see how long that lasts when the leadership already looks incompetent, untrustworthy and clueless in its party management."
Only to the true neutrals like you DK |  |
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:23 - Nov 18 with 1001 views | Darth_Koont |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:05 - Nov 18 by JakeITFC |
But whilst the Trump fraud stuff is made up, the internal factions working against Corbyn is demonstrably true.
Whether it cost Labour an election is very much up for debate, but to deny it happened is wrong. |
Indeed.
People are strangely in denial or at least far too dismissive of something that was the defining characteristic of Labour during Corbyn’s time as leader. I suppose it makes it easier for them to believe their own narrative. | |
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:23 - Nov 18 with 1000 views | StokieBlue |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:19 - Nov 18 by Darth_Koont |
Yes. Longer-term anyway as any sober analysis of the UK shows systemic issues at the root of almost all the major questions like the economy, welfare, health and education.
Triangulating around values of family, nation and opportunity isn’t just missing the point, it’s playing directly into the hands of the Tories when the real battle starts. Meanwhile issues like the regional imbalance are being owned by the SNP, the Tories are going to own and naturally limit the potential of a Green economic renewal, systemic racism will be handled by minority groups and movements while being channelled in the political sphere into the next right-wing populism event: The Culture War.
Meanwhile Labour stands for ... competence? Well, let’s see how long that lasts when the leadership already looks incompetent, untrustworthy and clueless in its party management. |
How longer-term?
Because whilst that all sounds great it's not going to happen in the next 3 years so you are effectively giving the Tories another 8 years to govern.
This is the problem myself and many others have on the board with your view on how things should progress from here. It sounds good but realism also has to be part of any approach and the reality is yours will enable another Tory government because you aren't willing to get there in baby steps.
There is a good chance to get the Tories out if there incompetence continues but it's not going to happen with the type of manifesto you want to see. Pragmatism is equally as important as ideology at the moment.
SB [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 14:24]
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:25 - Nov 18 with 991 views | factual_blue |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:21 - Nov 18 by giant_stow |
You a fan too factual? No denying she was pretty back then. |
She only got a 2:2, so no. | |
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:27 - Nov 18 with 978 views | Darth_Koont |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:23 - Nov 18 by StokieBlue |
How longer-term?
Because whilst that all sounds great it's not going to happen in the next 3 years so you are effectively giving the Tories another 8 years to govern.
This is the problem myself and many others have on the board with your view on how things should progress from here. It sounds good but realism also has to be part of any approach and the reality is yours will enable another Tory government because you aren't willing to get there in baby steps.
There is a good chance to get the Tories out if there incompetence continues but it's not going to happen with the type of manifesto you want to see. Pragmatism is equally as important as ideology at the moment.
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No, I’m talking the next 3 years.
The parties that come out on top will be those who address these issues or like the Tories with Brexit co-opt the symptoms.
Anyone expecting people to vote for competent managers and effectively politicians just being politicians hasn’t learnt anything from the last couple of decades. | |
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:30 - Nov 18 with 957 views | Keno |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:28 - Nov 18 by SpruceMoose |
I know that it's just a joke on this thread, but as a wider point I always find it interesting that Diane Abbott's appearance is so frequently mentioned when discussing her. I struggle to think of many other sitting female MPs who are referred to as ugly so frequently.
In the same way, it's notable that Venus and Serena Williams had their appearance picked apart negatively far more during their careers than any other world class athletes.
Anyway, carry on. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 14:30]
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good point
I'll raise you Anne Widdicombe | |
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:31 - Nov 18 with 947 views | SpruceMoose |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:30 - Nov 18 by Keno |
good point
I'll raise you Anne Widdicombe |
She would have been all for bullying and discrimination though! |  |
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:31 - Nov 18 with 946 views | Mullet |
Corbyn has set back the party and the country years hasn't he? Had we got Keir instead, we'd have had the Tories kicked up and down the HoC even had they won the last election with a far reduced majority wouldn't we?
Hopefully those still clinging to their fantasy world will actually make good on their idealism and wander off to the fringes and stop undermining Starmer, when the real enemy is Boris and his cronyism. |  |
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:32 - Nov 18 with 944 views | StokieBlue |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:27 - Nov 18 by Darth_Koont |
No, I’m talking the next 3 years.
The parties that come out on top will be those who address these issues or like the Tories with Brexit co-opt the symptoms.
Anyone expecting people to vote for competent managers and effectively politicians just being politicians hasn’t learnt anything from the last couple of decades. |
Then we are back to where we have been multiple times before.
In my opinion, you simply aren't living in the real world if you think that type of manifesto has a chance of getting into government in 3 years time.
It must be quite the echo chamber where you formulate the position that this has any chance of winning the next election.
SB [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 14:33]
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:36 - Nov 18 with 936 views | Chutney |
I'm still laughing at yesterdays thread. What happened to it? Seeing someone self profess as a 'regular poster' or 'long time poster' or however he phrased it is the TWTD equivalent of 'don't you know who I am?'. Sarge jeera clearly isn't someone who likes being challenged. You know you've lost an argument when you start calling out spelling mistakes.
Good to see this today from Keir Starmer. He's already showing more leadership than he predecessor ever did and with the Cons looking less credible by the day it will be nice to see Lab close the gap ahead of the next election. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 14:48]
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:38 - Nov 18 with 927 views | JakeITFC |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:12 - Nov 18 by giant_stow |
Is it really up for debate in an 80 seat kicking? Being divded over the form of Brexit and the reuslting big cull of Tory MPs didn't stop the Tories winning.
They lost because of incompetence in presenting too many policies at once, their lame approach to brexit and yes, to some degree, people couldn't stomach the antisemitism. |
2017 election more specifically. | | | |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:40 - Nov 18 with 921 views | SpruceMoose |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:36 - Nov 18 by Chutney |
I'm still laughing at yesterdays thread. What happened to it? Seeing someone self profess as a 'regular poster' or 'long time poster' or however he phrased it is the TWTD equivalent of 'don't you know who I am?'. Sarge jeera clearly isn't someone who likes being challenged. You know you've lost an argument when you start calling out spelling mistakes.
Good to see this today from Keir Starmer. He's already showing more leadership than he predecessor ever did and with the Cons looking less credible by the day it will be nice to see Lab close the gap ahead of the next election. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 14:48]
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Sarge is a valued poster on here who, I believe, has been quite open about having a tough time of late.
I'm not sure anyone would say that you were a valued poster, so probably best to pipe down on that front me old condiment.
Nice edit to change the poster you originally referenced... [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 17:00]
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:53 - Nov 18 with 876 views | Chutney |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:40 - Nov 18 by SpruceMoose |
Sarge is a valued poster on here who, I believe, has been quite open about having a tough time of late.
I'm not sure anyone would say that you were a valued poster, so probably best to pipe down on that front me old condiment.
Nice edit to change the poster you originally referenced... [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 17:00]
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And those on the receiving end are also valued posters. Can't fly off the handle like that, we're all adults.
I value all posters.
Even you. | | | |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 15:00 - Nov 18 with 863 views | SpruceMoose |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 14:53 - Nov 18 by Chutney |
And those on the receiving end are also valued posters. Can't fly off the handle like that, we're all adults.
I value all posters.
Even you. |
Eh. I'm not sure that's true. All posters definitely do not matter. Now, I myself don't mind a bit of salty language, but then I don't cry about being on the receiving end of it either.
You yourself didn't seem to mind when you flew off the handle and dished out the abuse below...
Or in this one:
Or in this one:
Or in this one:
Get your own house in order before worrying about others eh son? [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 15:12]
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