| Colchester fans being called out by their own players 21:06 - Dec 5 with 10837 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
For booing taking the knee. Callum Harriott tweeting about it. Some fairly disgraceful reactions to it today from some very simple and backwards creatures. I’m sure this won’t happen at Portman road, right ? |  |
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| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 11:02 - Dec 6 with 3789 views | noggin |
Why does taking the knee bother anyone, UNLESS THEY ARE RACIST? It's 5 seconds before a game ffs. |  |
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| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 11:15 - Dec 6 with 3761 views | BlueBadger |
| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 02:38 - Dec 6 by SpruceMoose |
What do you understand defunding the police to mean? The biggest proponents of defunding the police in the UK have of course been the Conservative party, and not BLM. [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 2:39]
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I'd argue that 'defund the police' might make for a pretty alarming slogan in isolation, sounding as it does like a bit 'abolish the police', although I'll admit 'reform the police' does lack something in bite.
And also, I'm not the ethnic group that's largely on the receiving end of systemic mistreatment by law enforcement. |  |
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| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 11:15 - Dec 6 with 3760 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 09:52 - Dec 6 by Barneycurley |
But what you say does exist - on this very site. Lots and lots of people claiming that BLM is and should be about the downfall of capitalism. I disagree with that entirely.
So according to some I am clearly racist? |
If you actively boo attempts to oppose racism? Yes.
If you are simply pointing out the areas that you object to whilst doing all you can to oppose the clear acts of racism that continue? No. |  |
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| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 11:23 - Dec 6 with 3754 views | TheBoyBlue |
| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 02:38 - Dec 6 by SpruceMoose |
What do you understand defunding the police to mean? The biggest proponents of defunding the police in the UK have of course been the Conservative party, and not BLM. [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 2:39]
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Don't shoot the messenger. I have been a vocal supporter of the BLM message here. Living in the Woodbridge area I have had to constantly debate with the 'all lives matter' brigade who have reacted to simple acts like putting posters on the Shire Hall as if their firstborn had just been threatened at gunpoint.
I am just conscious though that if we truly want to eradicate racism that we have to understand why people oppose things like BLM and feel compelled to boo players taking the knee. Simply calling someone out as racist for that is unhelpful and arguably makes it worse. [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 11:30]
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| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 11:26 - Dec 6 with 3731 views | Barneycurley |
| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 10:58 - Dec 6 by noggin |
Who has said that? |
Plenty of people that a few months weighed in on a similar debate. If I can be bothered I'll find the posts |  |
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| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 11:28 - Dec 6 with 3735 views | TheBoyBlue |
| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 09:48 - Dec 6 by Guthrum |
Is it such a bad thing if publicly displaying anti-racist sentiments becomes a fashion statement? Normalises it, embeds it in culture and becomes a constant, visible reminder of the issue. Makes being racist "uncool".
The police defunding thing is a specifically US matter. There isn't any system of centralised regulation and oversight as we have in this country. Instead you have individual forces, down to a very local level, using the money not for good policing - or even necessarily paying their officers well - but rather for arming themselves to the teeth (even to the level of military-standard armoured vehicles). |
Yes and no. When it started it was a powerful moment and now I see many people simply shrugging their shoulders and going 'meh' and barely noticing it. There doesn't seem to have been any meaningful follow-up to it.
As for the police defunding thing, I'm well aware of that. As I've said elsewhere on this thread, I'm a supporter of BLM, certainly the message. But if we are to truly eradicate racism, we have to understand why people would boo players taking the knee rather than simply renouncing them as racists for doing that. It's unhelpful at best and at worst is doing more damage to the cause. [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 14:15]
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| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 11:39 - Dec 6 with 3728 views | bracknell_blue |
If it did, I would hope those doing it would be identified and given a lifetime ban. Smae at all clubs. |  |
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| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 11:45 - Dec 6 with 3723 views | pointofblue |
| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 11:39 - Dec 6 by bracknell_blue |
If it did, I would hope those doing it would be identified and given a lifetime ban. Smae at all clubs. |
Though the argument for many will be “I’m not racist, I’m booing a political movement”. I wonder if the FA and PFA should release a joint statement confirming that taking the knee solely represents the message of Black Lives Matter and no political movement or campaign, existent or non-existent, and then, if it happens again, the banning is fairer as they definitely do not have a leg to stand on. | |
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| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 13:01 - Dec 6 with 3664 views | KilburnBlue |
| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 11:39 - Dec 6 by bracknell_blue |
If it did, I would hope those doing it would be identified and given a lifetime ban. Smae at all clubs. |
How would the club go about that? People will be wearing masks so you wont be able to see who is booing? & if a steward said he heard them boo. How would he then be able to prove it?
Problem is football is a business. If You went to some grounds they could be more then half the attendance booing. Do you think the club will give all them fans lifetime bans? Personally i cant see it.
Throw in the possible fights between the fans I can see many clubs issuing their players not to do it anymore. Just my opinion & all |  |
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| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 15:37 - Dec 6 with 3537 views | backwaywhen |
| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 10:32 - Dec 6 by carlisleaway |
Followed Ipswich for approaching 60 years and believe this is nothing about racism. The BLM have had there platform now let us move on and stop the knee before each game. |
I agree but please do not call me a racist for doing so , even Les Ferdinand ex QPR player and black for those to young to remember him , has said himself that taking the knee has run its course , QPR and their opponents on Friday agreed not to do it before their match , it was a stance both sides and the referee had to all agree on .... in his words it has now lost its initial meaningfulness. | | | |
| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 17:48 - Dec 6 with 3438 views | SpruceMoose |
| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 17:46 - Dec 6 by backwaywhen |
This is the only act I do not agree with , the raising of the fist , a Black power symbol and that’s not what it is about , Black power symbol is antagonistic. |
Jesus wept. |  |
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| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 18:02 - Dec 6 with 3418 views | jayessess |
| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 17:46 - Dec 6 by backwaywhen |
This is the only act I do not agree with , the raising of the fist , a Black power symbol and that’s not what it is about , Black power symbol is antagonistic. |
Well, actually... the clenched fist is a general symbol of solidarity and resistance that goes back to (at least) Republicans resisting fascism in the Spanish Civil War.
It's adopted by all sorts of people historically, including US civil rights activists and the ANC under apartheid. Here's Nelson Mandela doing it:
Black Power likewise has lots of meanings, most of them about black pride and self-worth in societies that placed no value on black people's lives. As to antagonism, Kazim-Richards is in a stadium that's booing the idea that his life matters. We should all be antagonistic to that, shouldn't we? |  |
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| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 18:33 - Dec 6 with 3374 views | jeera |
| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 17:46 - Dec 6 by backwaywhen |
This is the only act I do not agree with , the raising of the fist , a Black power symbol and that’s not what it is about , Black power symbol is antagonistic. |
A mate of mine comes out with stuff like this - where does this come from?
The raising of a clenched fist is as old as the hills.
There are images of small white Jewish children making exactly the same gesture when feeling persecuted in the 1930s for goodness sake.
It's just a sign of solidarity, it's not difficult.
Why oh why do some people feel threatened by the notion of the basic human right of equality? |  |
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| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 19:24 - Dec 6 with 3316 views | jayessess |
Moreover, Kick It Out were just as critical of Millwall's fans as everyone else:
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/millwall-fans-boo-take-a-knee-derby-ki
Kick It Out chair Sanjay Bhandari told the PA news agency: "We are saddened by the behaviour of fans booing the players taking the knee today at Millwall. What this demonstrates is that players are right to continue standing up to discrimination, whether that is through taking the knee or speaking out. The fight for racial equality continues and we will continue to work closely with clubs across the country to tackle discrimination in all its forms. We urge the players to continue using their platforms and their voices to support this fight. We applaud the players of Millwall and Derby for taking a stand and defying the hate shown by some fans today." | |
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| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 20:50 - Dec 6 with 3261 views | syntaxerror |
| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 15:50 - Dec 6 by jayessess |
If the players and match officials decide they don't want to do it, fine.
If they're doing it and you boo, what message do you think it sends?
What message do you think Colin Kazim-Richards heard when Millwall booed that made him stand up and do this?
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Its great he did that.
I spent years in South Africa doing that against the apartheid government, so he sends a great message.
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| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 21:11 - Dec 6 with 3246 views | textbackup |
| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 11:39 - Dec 6 by bracknell_blue |
If it did, I would hope those doing it would be identified and given a lifetime ban. Smae at all clubs. |
Remember booing isnt racist. So they’d have hell of a job getting a ban on that one.
I’m not supporting booing btw. Just talking from the point of if it went to court.
You’ve then got the added issues, mask wearing! You won’t see who’s doing it |  |
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| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 21:22 - Dec 6 with 3225 views | vapour_trail |
| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 15:37 - Dec 6 by backwaywhen |
I agree but please do not call me a racist for doing so , even Les Ferdinand ex QPR player and black for those to young to remember him , has said himself that taking the knee has run its course , QPR and their opponents on Friday agreed not to do it before their match , it was a stance both sides and the referee had to all agree on .... in his words it has now lost its initial meaningfulness. |
It’s very clear what you are. |  |
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| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 22:34 - Dec 6 with 3198 views | backwaywhen |
| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 21:22 - Dec 6 by vapour_trail |
It’s very clear what you are. |
That makes Les Ferdinand racist as well does it , no he just thinks like many others that it has run its course , this is coming from an ex black player , has to have some kind of significance surely. | | | |
| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 01:17 - Dec 7 with 3138 views | Theonlywayisup |
| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 21:28 - Dec 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Micah Richards and Dion Dublin are not pulling any punches on it.
Those booing are racists plain and simple.
Even if you do not agree with what you view the movement to represent to boo it is to show open defiance to the core principle that Black Lives Matter. To oppose that makes you openly racist.
I think it is time players ramp this up and walk off if fans are booing and agree to play after a respectful reception to them repeating it has been observed. If clubs fail to deal with it, the FA should fine clubs too. |
So would you suggest the players that have not taken the knee are racist? As they don't agree with it and that is their way of showing they don't agree with it....Some of those booing might not agree with it or might be a little fed up with it....it doesn't mean they are racist. For Dion Dublin to come out and say anyone booing is a racist cannot be fact and is his view only. A view he should keep to himself. | | | |
| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 01:40 - Dec 7 with 3127 views | SpruceMoose |
| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 01:17 - Dec 7 by Theonlywayisup |
So would you suggest the players that have not taken the knee are racist? As they don't agree with it and that is their way of showing they don't agree with it....Some of those booing might not agree with it or might be a little fed up with it....it doesn't mean they are racist. For Dion Dublin to come out and say anyone booing is a racist cannot be fact and is his view only. A view he should keep to himself. |
If you're fed up of being reminded that Black people still have to fight for equality, imagine how Black people must feel having to repeat this same stuff over and over and over again.
True privilege is being able to ignore this. True luxury is being bored of hearing it. | |
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| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 06:11 - Dec 7 with 2594 views | IPS_wich |
| Colchester fans being called out by their own players on 01:40 - Dec 7 by SpruceMoose |
If you're fed up of being reminded that Black people still have to fight for equality, imagine how Black people must feel having to repeat this same stuff over and over and over again.
True privilege is being able to ignore this. True luxury is being bored of hearing it. |
I'm really struggling to understand the ignorance of people on this - unless they are unashamedly racist (which in some odd way I respect more than the prevaricating 'politics and sport shouldn't mix' lot).
And to see some are saying 'enough already' to it - like doing this a few times in front of an empty stadium and a couple of thousand people on iFollow means that everything is now all right.
I wish there was an organised way that crowds could audibly show their solidarity to the BLM movement when the players take the knee. | | | |
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