| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history 13:20 - Dec 16 with 16938 views | SpruceMoose |
It can't just be me who finds this both shocking and appalling? Britain is a wealthy country. There is money available for so many ridiculous things, but not food for some of our most impoverished children?
I can't even begin to get into the mindset that celebrates the unfathomable amounts that Brexit will cost the UK, but at the same time strokes the chin and gets the calculator out to decide that we can't afford to help our most vulnerable through a pandemic. Wonderful.
Damn the Conservatives, damn anyone who voted for them and damn anyone who still supports them.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-for-the-first-time-in-its-history-unicef-wil [Post edited 16 Dec 2020 13:21]
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| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 14:45 - Dec 17 with 2827 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
It is a fundamental obligation of government to care for the welfare of its vulnerable citizens. Even without UNICEF our government has already absolved itself of this obligation by routinely passing their duty of care on to the food banks. They are an utter disgrace.
When, years ago, Mrs May spoke of the nasty party, little did we know how much worse they would become. Contemptible people. |  |
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| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 14:48 - Dec 17 with 2818 views | SpruceMoose |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 14:30 - Dec 17 by Lord_Lucan |
It was on the radio yesterday.
Although we have had a succession of mediocre governments over the past number of years The United Kingdom remains a fantastic country to live in, if this were not the case then people wouldn't risk death trying to get here even after travelling through mainland Europe.
You have chosen to live in basket case America but love to constantly put the UK down - as do many many other similar Clown Shoes on here. I am sure I am not the only person who is sick to the death of it. |
Lucan Bingo! Having a whinge about the forum was all I needed.
Jesus wept. When did you become such a drip? | |
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| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 14:53 - Dec 17 with 2795 views | sotd78 |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 12:17 - Dec 17 by SpruceMoose |
A link would be helpful.
I don't have to square it. I'm not German. I'm British and I'm embarrassed and ashamed that UNICEF assistance is required in the UK.
How do you square that? |
I posted yesterday and got a load of comments and attempts to pick words out of a message and have go (at me). So perhaps I can clarify my position and still make some people of all political persuasions stop and think.
But before I do let me say this:
I vote mostly liberal democrat; occasionally labour but not when the mad men are in charge. I do not vote Tory although I do engage with a decent hardworking (if misguided) Conservative MP in my home town.
My point yesterday is or was that Unicef have been asked to plug a funding gap in a small project. Why? Ask yourselves that?
Would there be other funding? Yes, almost indubitably.
Is the Government doing enough? Not by a long way.
Should we stop any child going hungry? Yes, absolutely
But the starting point to this whole thread was the outrage about Unicef being needed. I contest that they probably aren't needed, weren't needed and perhaps, just perhaps they have another (political) reason to be involved. I don't know that. I am just asking!
But it is incredibly interesting that they have a major TV fundraiser going on at the same time we are celebrating the reduction in Govt overseas aid. A reduction that has been said will help fund better Govt support for our own in the UK. Now why would Unicef chuck a tiny amount at a tiny project in just one part of the UK close to the home of Parliament? |  |
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| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 14:59 - Dec 17 with 2772 views | eireblue |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 14:53 - Dec 17 by sotd78 |
I posted yesterday and got a load of comments and attempts to pick words out of a message and have go (at me). So perhaps I can clarify my position and still make some people of all political persuasions stop and think.
But before I do let me say this:
I vote mostly liberal democrat; occasionally labour but not when the mad men are in charge. I do not vote Tory although I do engage with a decent hardworking (if misguided) Conservative MP in my home town.
My point yesterday is or was that Unicef have been asked to plug a funding gap in a small project. Why? Ask yourselves that?
Would there be other funding? Yes, almost indubitably.
Is the Government doing enough? Not by a long way.
Should we stop any child going hungry? Yes, absolutely
But the starting point to this whole thread was the outrage about Unicef being needed. I contest that they probably aren't needed, weren't needed and perhaps, just perhaps they have another (political) reason to be involved. I don't know that. I am just asking!
But it is incredibly interesting that they have a major TV fundraiser going on at the same time we are celebrating the reduction in Govt overseas aid. A reduction that has been said will help fund better Govt support for our own in the UK. Now why would Unicef chuck a tiny amount at a tiny project in just one part of the UK close to the home of Parliament? |
There wouldn't be a political situation to exploit, if children were being looked after, and not being fed by a charity. |  | | |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 15:04 - Dec 17 with 2758 views | sotd78 |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 14:59 - Dec 17 by eireblue |
There wouldn't be a political situation to exploit, if children were being looked after, and not being fed by a charity. |
Okay; heres my theory on this:
UK Govt drops overseas aid from 0.7% to 0.5% of GDP.
Formerly exclusive overseas aid charity starts spending in the UK for the first time.
Add in their current UK TV campaign - Brits see that the overseas charity also works in UK?
Start to see the politics now? | |
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| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 15:07 - Dec 17 with 2751 views | SpruceMoose |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 15:04 - Dec 17 by sotd78 |
Okay; heres my theory on this:
UK Govt drops overseas aid from 0.7% to 0.5% of GDP.
Formerly exclusive overseas aid charity starts spending in the UK for the first time.
Add in their current UK TV campaign - Brits see that the overseas charity also works in UK?
Start to see the politics now? |
Not really. I see a government failing (deliberately?) the poorest members of society. | |
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| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 15:08 - Dec 17 with 2714 views | 26_Paz |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 14:48 - Dec 17 by SpruceMoose |
Lucan Bingo! Having a whinge about the forum was all I needed.
Jesus wept. When did you become such a drip? |
Why do you feel the need to be nasty to anyone who’s views don’t align entirely with your own? |  |
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| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 15:11 - Dec 17 with 2744 views | SpruceMoose |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 15:08 - Dec 17 by 26_Paz |
Why do you feel the need to be nasty to anyone who’s views don’t align entirely with your own? |
You mean like this?
"You have chosen to live in basket case America but love to constantly put the UK down - as do many many other similar Clown Shoes on here. I am sure I am not the only person who is sick to the death of it."
Jog on you bozo. | |
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| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 15:14 - Dec 17 with 2725 views | footers |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 15:04 - Dec 17 by sotd78 |
Okay; heres my theory on this:
UK Govt drops overseas aid from 0.7% to 0.5% of GDP.
Formerly exclusive overseas aid charity starts spending in the UK for the first time.
Add in their current UK TV campaign - Brits see that the overseas charity also works in UK?
Start to see the politics now? |
Most of that aid isn't spent on giving aid to children; its main use is to set up companies in the developing world, so I'm not sure your argument holds much water. In fact, it sounds like you're accusing a UN fund of being involved in a conspiracy instead of accepting the simple fact that they've identified a need to feed hungry British kids because our government can't do it by themselves. |  |
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| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 16:34 - Dec 17 with 2646 views | eireblue |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 15:04 - Dec 17 by sotd78 |
Okay; heres my theory on this:
UK Govt drops overseas aid from 0.7% to 0.5% of GDP.
Formerly exclusive overseas aid charity starts spending in the UK for the first time.
Add in their current UK TV campaign - Brits see that the overseas charity also works in UK?
Start to see the politics now? |
There wouldn't be a political play if hungry children didn't exist in the UK.
Starting to see it yet? | | | |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 16:37 - Dec 17 with 2639 views | eireblue |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 15:08 - Dec 17 by 26_Paz |
Why do you feel the need to be nasty to anyone who’s views don’t align entirely with your own? |
Like Boris Johnson you mean?
"F*ck Business" | | | |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 17:03 - Dec 17 with 2619 views | sotd78 |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 15:14 - Dec 17 by footers |
Most of that aid isn't spent on giving aid to children; its main use is to set up companies in the developing world, so I'm not sure your argument holds much water. In fact, it sounds like you're accusing a UN fund of being involved in a conspiracy instead of accepting the simple fact that they've identified a need to feed hungry British kids because our government can't do it by themselves. |
Unicef have a well-oiled marketing team - you think they don't work the angles like any other business or company - their end aim is to raise money to spend on things they identify as in need. So yes, they do play a political game and I do wonder if the £25K was/is marketing driven as much as needs driven.
But there's two strands in this thread - the poverty of children here and everywhere- totally deplorable - multi-faceted - and not easy to solve even by singular government action.
The other strand was/is whether Unicef should be paddling in UK waters when there's not yet a crisis of the sort you'd see in a score of other countries. | |
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| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 17:13 - Dec 17 with 2605 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 20:01 - Dec 16 by 26_Paz |
I’m not exactly sure what levels of welfare are in this country but I’m aware it’s one of the most generous systems in the world so if a family is going hungry then something has gone wrong with the system somewhere. I don’t believe a blanket raise is necessary. I think sorting out things like the 5 week wait mentioned by another poster earlier in this thread is necessary. In short I think the level is welfare as intended is adequate but I feel the system is far too complicated and some fall through the cracks, this is what needs addressing. |
Nope.
https://fullfact.org/immigration/uks-welfare-system-most-generous-europe/ |  |
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| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 17:24 - Dec 17 with 2588 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 17:03 - Dec 17 by sotd78 |
Unicef have a well-oiled marketing team - you think they don't work the angles like any other business or company - their end aim is to raise money to spend on things they identify as in need. So yes, they do play a political game and I do wonder if the £25K was/is marketing driven as much as needs driven.
But there's two strands in this thread - the poverty of children here and everywhere- totally deplorable - multi-faceted - and not easy to solve even by singular government action.
The other strand was/is whether Unicef should be paddling in UK waters when there's not yet a crisis of the sort you'd see in a score of other countries. |
"I do wonder if the £25K was/is marketing driven as much as needs driven."
I understand the argument particularly against the backdrop of a totally unjustified cut in overseas aid but for me it is academic because I don't have the same faith that you do that without that UNICEF money someone else would have stepped in to fill the gap. With 4.2m British children living in poverty (what's that 1 in 5, maybe even 1 in 4?) the likelihood of even £25,000 sloshing about in a relevant charity's account seems slim.
And as for this, "there's not yet a crisis of the sort you'd see in a score of other countries" again I understand the point but I'm interested to know how many children have to go hungry before it can be considered a crisis worthy of the name? |  |
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| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 17:29 - Dec 17 with 2581 views | jeera |
As for ESA for those who think people who are unable to go to work are raking it in, splashing out on fags and Sky TV:
"While your claim is being assessed
You’ll normally get the ‘assessment rate’ for 13 weeks while your claim is being assessed.
This will be:
up to £58.90 a week if you’re aged under 25
up to £74.35 a week if you’re aged 25 or over
If it takes longer than 13 weeks to assess your claim, you’ll continue getting the ‘assessment rate’ until you get a decision. Your ESA will be backdated if you’re owed any money after 13 weeks.
After you’re assessed
You’ll be placed into one of 2 groups if you’re entitled to ESA. If you’re able to get back into work in the future, you’ll be put into the work-related activity group. Otherwise, you’ll be put into the support group.
You’ll get:
up to £74.35 a week if you’re in the work-related activity group
up to £113.55 a week if you’re in the support group"
I wonder who on here can imagine living on 70 odd quid a week extending to a little over £100 per week. Long term too.
Rent may be paid, although that is strictly capped so accommodation will be humble. [Post edited 17 Dec 2020 17:54]
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| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 20:02 - Dec 17 with 2504 views | 26_Paz |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55354958
I tend to agree with the leader of the House of Commons on this one. | |
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| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 20:11 - Dec 17 with 2487 views | Darth_Koont |
I actually agree that Unicef may be playing politics. But as people have said already on this thread, they can because the UK certainly has a case to answer - and also there’s a much more important and ethical end to excuse the means.
I’m sure JRM wants to make this about politics instead of addressing the 4 million UK children in poverty. Soon to be over 5 million, in no small part because of his utterly delusional but nevertheless wonderfully self-serving Brexit. |  |
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| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 20:11 - Dec 17 with 2481 views | SpruceMoose |
We know. You demonstrated to us all yesterday that you were an idiot, did you need to come back and show us all again today?
Honestly, watching you post is like watching someone read one of those choose your own adventure books, but you keep choosing all the wrong options - possibly because you don't know how to read. | |
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| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 20:12 - Dec 17 with 2470 views | Seablu |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 14:30 - Dec 17 by Lord_Lucan |
It was on the radio yesterday.
Although we have had a succession of mediocre governments over the past number of years The United Kingdom remains a fantastic country to live in, if this were not the case then people wouldn't risk death trying to get here even after travelling through mainland Europe.
You have chosen to live in basket case America but love to constantly put the UK down - as do many many other similar Clown Shoes on here. I am sure I am not the only person who is sick to the death of it. |
We can see who got the decent genes in your family.
You should stick to getting pis*ed up, pitch invasions & being an irritating burden on every country you stumble into.
Some on here probably still think it’s quaint. |  | | |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 20:16 - Dec 17 with 2450 views | 26_Paz |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 20:12 - Dec 17 by Seablu |
We can see who got the decent genes in your family.
You should stick to getting pis*ed up, pitch invasions & being an irritating burden on every country you stumble into.
Some on here probably still think it’s quaint. |
Oh look, some more abuse | |
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| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 20:18 - Dec 17 with 2456 views | Darth_Koont |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 17:03 - Dec 17 by sotd78 |
Unicef have a well-oiled marketing team - you think they don't work the angles like any other business or company - their end aim is to raise money to spend on things they identify as in need. So yes, they do play a political game and I do wonder if the £25K was/is marketing driven as much as needs driven.
But there's two strands in this thread - the poverty of children here and everywhere- totally deplorable - multi-faceted - and not easy to solve even by singular government action.
The other strand was/is whether Unicef should be paddling in UK waters when there's not yet a crisis of the sort you'd see in a score of other countries. |
Disagree there. We’re looking at a crisis for the world’s children if certain rich countries can’t or rather won’t look after their own.
In the UK and the US particularly we seem to have internalised a view of the world and our own society where we just can’t change its inherent nature and make it better. That’s historically illiterate given what’s happened over the past several hundred years of human progress. But there are always these old empires trying to hang on and deny the inevitable change. [Post edited 17 Dec 2020 20:20]
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| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 20:26 - Dec 17 with 2431 views | Darth_Koont |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 20:12 - Dec 17 by Seablu |
We can see who got the decent genes in your family.
You should stick to getting pis*ed up, pitch invasions & being an irritating burden on every country you stumble into.
Some on here probably still think it’s quaint. |
Probably a bit harsh on Lucan. For me his heart’s always been in the right place but his information gathering is all over the shop. | |
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| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 20:55 - Dec 17 with 2395 views | Seablu |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 20:16 - Dec 17 by 26_Paz |
Oh look, some more abuse |
Your main problem isn’t that you hold such wilfully ignorant views on virtually everything, it’s that you feel sufficiently encouraged to type them up on here with such tedious & utterly predictable regularity.
Continually arguing with grown-ups must eventually become quite disheartening, even for the most precocious of children. | | | |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 21:06 - Dec 17 with 2366 views | Ryorry |
| UNICEF help to feed British children for the first time in their history on 20:16 - Dec 17 by 26_Paz |
Oh look, some more abuse |
So you think a few words on an internet forum is worth condemning, but children going hungry isn't. Got it  |  |
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