| The fall of the EU is close 12:48 - Jan 30 with 8788 views | The_Last_Baron |
Not long to go in the life of this dismal construct. People all over Europe are waking up and it's entering its final stage, the collapse will be quicker than you could ever possibly imagine. Much like the Soviet Union, it will fall like a game of Kerplunk.
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| The fall of the EU is close on 18:15 - Jan 30 with 1672 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The fall of the EU is close on 18:04 - Jan 30 by footers |
You can barely conceal your glee with the Tories in power and your Brexit done. Well done, but please stop cosplaying as anything other than a Tory brexiteer. And you wonder why people find you disingenuous? |
You just don't get it. And I fear that your blinkered and narrow mindset will never allow you to do so.
I want our country to succeed post Brexit. If Kier Starmer was Prime Minister then I'd want our country to succeed.
Wanting one's own country to succeed has nothing to do with what side of the political divide you are on or which way you voted in the referendum.
I put this attitude down to you being on both the losing side of consecutive elections and referendums. It appears to have ingrained you with a loser's and defeatist attitude. Be positive man. Put a smile on your face and look to the future.
Now I'd love to chat but I'm going in the gym for an hour to make some room for my dinner. Enjoy your evening xx [Post edited 30 Jan 2021 18:16]
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| The fall of the EU is close on 18:22 - Jan 30 with 1664 views | footers |
| The fall of the EU is close on 18:15 - Jan 30 by GlasgowBlue |
You just don't get it. And I fear that your blinkered and narrow mindset will never allow you to do so.
I want our country to succeed post Brexit. If Kier Starmer was Prime Minister then I'd want our country to succeed.
Wanting one's own country to succeed has nothing to do with what side of the political divide you are on or which way you voted in the referendum.
I put this attitude down to you being on both the losing side of consecutive elections and referendums. It appears to have ingrained you with a loser's and defeatist attitude. Be positive man. Put a smile on your face and look to the future.
Now I'd love to chat but I'm going in the gym for an hour to make some room for my dinner. Enjoy your evening xx [Post edited 30 Jan 2021 18:16]
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Haha. Bragging and patronising, never change gibbers. |  |
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| The fall of the EU is close on 18:29 - Jan 30 with 1641 views | MattinLondon |
| The fall of the EU is close on 18:22 - Jan 30 by footers |
Haha. Bragging and patronising, never change gibbers. |
By gym he means tugging one out by thinking he’s been very clever indeed. |  | | |
| The fall of the EU is close on 18:31 - Jan 30 with 1636 views | giant_stow |
| The fall of the EU is close on 18:01 - Jan 30 by Swansea_Blue |
Possibly. We'll have to see how that plays out and how much we 'win' the vaccine race by. And how that fits into the larger picture of our covid management. Does a few weeks ahead on the vaccine offset the largest global death rate, for example? What impact will changing the manufacturer's recommended dosing strategy have? Etc.
We've certainly go off the starting blocks quicker rolling out the vaccines, which is looking like a good thing. They deserve credit for progress so far. (And the NHS - interesting that this has been a success because it's NHS led, but the largely private led Test and trace a disaster).
On the downside, aren't the vaccines costing us more than the price the EU got? And we've also waived our rights of recourse against the manufacturers if anything goes wrong. Giving big pharma immunity from prosecution is something that worries me. Maybe that's something we need to overlook for now as the need is so dire, but it's dangerous precedent to set imo. |
At the moment each day "costs" over a 1000 deaths, so a few weeks ahead equals thousands of lives saved.
Re hvaing late second doses, I read some modelling study was reported to have come up with a figure of 4000 lives saved by doing it this way. Don't ask my befuddled semi-cooked mind for a link.
And given the above, why would we be worried about the price paid?! If the EU got to save each live at a £1 a dose less (say), do we really care? Granted, the legal responsibility thing could come back on the govt badly. [Post edited 30 Jan 2021 18:32]
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| The fall of the EU is close on 18:33 - Jan 30 with 1626 views | Herbivore |
| The fall of the EU is close on 18:01 - Jan 30 by 26_Paz |
Why does it not surprise me that you hate your own country |
I don't hate England, I just despair of what a backwards, mean spirited and petty country it's become following the politics of people like yourself. I wouldn't describe England as it currently is as "my country" to be honest. I don't subscribe to the notion of blind loyalty to the bit of dirt you happened to be born on. |  |
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| The fall of the EU is close on 18:34 - Jan 30 with 1618 views | m14_blue |
| The fall of the EU is close on 18:31 - Jan 30 by giant_stow |
At the moment each day "costs" over a 1000 deaths, so a few weeks ahead equals thousands of lives saved.
Re hvaing late second doses, I read some modelling study was reported to have come up with a figure of 4000 lives saved by doing it this way. Don't ask my befuddled semi-cooked mind for a link.
And given the above, why would we be worried about the price paid?! If the EU got to save each live at a £1 a dose less (say), do we really care? Granted, the legal responsibility thing could come back on the govt badly. [Post edited 30 Jan 2021 18:32]
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A few weeks ahead on the vaccine rollout doesn’t equal the equivalent number of deaths being saved, or anything remotely close to it.
Agree with your point about cost though, if paying a little bit more meant we got it sooner then it was money well spent. |  | | |
| The fall of the EU is close on 18:39 - Jan 30 with 1599 views | giant_stow |
| The fall of the EU is close on 18:34 - Jan 30 by m14_blue |
A few weeks ahead on the vaccine rollout doesn’t equal the equivalent number of deaths being saved, or anything remotely close to it.
Agree with your point about cost though, if paying a little bit more meant we got it sooner then it was money well spent. |
Alright, fair enough maybe I'm overstating things a little, but I think it fair to say we’re chatting thousands of lives saved compared to where we could have been if we'd haggled hard. | |
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| The fall of the EU is close on 19:18 - Jan 30 with 1553 views | The_Last_Baron |
| The fall of the EU is close on 18:33 - Jan 30 by Herbivore |
I don't hate England, I just despair of what a backwards, mean spirited and petty country it's become following the politics of people like yourself. I wouldn't describe England as it currently is as "my country" to be honest. I don't subscribe to the notion of blind loyalty to the bit of dirt you happened to be born on. |
Chin up laddie. England is a great land. | |
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| The fall of the EU is close on 19:21 - Jan 30 with 1541 views | Herbivore |
| The fall of the EU is close on 19:18 - Jan 30 by The_Last_Baron |
Chin up laddie. England is a great land. |
It's really not all that great, especially since your ilk have managed to grab the steering wheel. | |
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| The fall of the EU is close on 19:24 - Jan 30 with 1537 views | MattinLondon |
| The fall of the EU is close on 19:21 - Jan 30 by Herbivore |
It's really not all that great, especially since your ilk have managed to grab the steering wheel. |
Beautiful scenery - pity about some of the people. | | | |
| The fall of the EU is close on 19:25 - Jan 30 with 1524 views | stantheman |
| The fall of the EU is close on 19:24 - Jan 30 by MattinLondon |
Beautiful scenery - pity about some of the people. |
Move up North. The people there are a bloody site nicer than down in the South. |  | | |
| The fall of the EU is close on 19:31 - Jan 30 with 1516 views | Ryorry |
Thanks - that's the best laugh I've had all week!  |  |
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| The fall of the EU is close on 19:31 - Jan 30 with 1513 views | MattinLondon |
| The fall of the EU is close on 19:25 - Jan 30 by stantheman |
Move up North. The people there are a bloody site nicer than down in the South. |
I am up north. I don’t really believe in all this north-south divide in terms of people being friendly. You get friendly southerners you get arsehole northerners. | | | |
| The fall of the EU is close on 19:33 - Jan 30 with 1511 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The fall of the EU is close on 18:08 - Jan 30 by GlasgowBlue |
The reason we got off the starting blocks so well is down to: Not joining EU scheme, Appointing Kate Bingham, Buying vaccines early, Insisting on UK manufacturing base for Oxford vaccine, Putting in place the roll out infrastructure.
The UK has made many mistakes over the past year. We should congratulate ourselves when we do thing well. |
Yes, we should congratulate ourselves when things go well, which is why I said “They deserve credit for progress so far”. |  |
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| The fall of the EU is close on 19:45 - Jan 30 with 1497 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The fall of the EU is close on 18:15 - Jan 30 by GlasgowBlue |
You just don't get it. And I fear that your blinkered and narrow mindset will never allow you to do so.
I want our country to succeed post Brexit. If Kier Starmer was Prime Minister then I'd want our country to succeed.
Wanting one's own country to succeed has nothing to do with what side of the political divide you are on or which way you voted in the referendum.
I put this attitude down to you being on both the losing side of consecutive elections and referendums. It appears to have ingrained you with a loser's and defeatist attitude. Be positive man. Put a smile on your face and look to the future.
Now I'd love to chat but I'm going in the gym for an hour to make some room for my dinner. Enjoy your evening xx [Post edited 30 Jan 2021 18:16]
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And who doesn’t? Wanting our country to succeed is why so many of us have thought that Brexit was such a stupid idea from the start. As it’s proving to be. Based on what we’ve always known about leaving the EU and the people behind the leave movement, there’s a very good argument that Brexiteers don’t actually want the country to succeed at all. Otherwise why campaign for something that’s causing so much damage?
Yes, we need to look forward. We’ve all got to make the most of it as we’ve got no choice. But we need to be honest about what’s happened and learn from it. Not bury our heads in the sand about the impacts and just tell people to believe harder. That’s the same delusional nonsense that got us in this mess in the first place. | |
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| The fall of the EU is close on 20:55 - Jan 30 with 1443 views | Seablu |
| The fall of the EU is close on 18:03 - Jan 30 by GlasgowBlue |
Yes. Very much an I'm alright Jack attitude from Herbie. |
Good to see you finally pitch your tent in the rancid bog next to young paz.
It’s all about the right type of discrimination with you.
Disingenuous is the kind description.
Self-interested, self-aggrandising, self-important, self-absorbed, hypocritical & appallingly selective are far more accurate. |  | | |
| The fall of the EU is close on 20:56 - Jan 30 with 1444 views | stantheman |
| The fall of the EU is close on 19:31 - Jan 30 by MattinLondon |
I am up north. I don’t really believe in all this north-south divide in terms of people being friendly. You get friendly southerners you get arsehole northerners. |
The' inlondon' bit confused me. | | | |
| The fall of the EU is close on 20:58 - Jan 30 with 1440 views | 26_Paz |
| The fall of the EU is close on 20:55 - Jan 30 by Seablu |
Good to see you finally pitch your tent in the rancid bog next to young paz.
It’s all about the right type of discrimination with you.
Disingenuous is the kind description.
Self-interested, self-aggrandising, self-important, self-absorbed, hypocritical & appallingly selective are far more accurate. |
Ah, I see you’ve decided to join us with some abuse |  |
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| The fall of the EU is close on 21:12 - Jan 30 with 1422 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The fall of the EU is close on 18:31 - Jan 30 by giant_stow |
At the moment each day "costs" over a 1000 deaths, so a few weeks ahead equals thousands of lives saved.
Re hvaing late second doses, I read some modelling study was reported to have come up with a figure of 4000 lives saved by doing it this way. Don't ask my befuddled semi-cooked mind for a link.
And given the above, why would we be worried about the price paid?! If the EU got to save each live at a £1 a dose less (say), do we really care? Granted, the legal responsibility thing could come back on the govt badly. [Post edited 30 Jan 2021 18:32]
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I suspect the relationship between timings of vaccines and deaths isn’t quite as simple as that. Depends on how those soon to be vaccinated people are behaving. Big lags as well of course between actions, infection and hospitalisation. And the rates from the second wave are now dropping. Deaths will depend where we are on the peaks and troughs of the death rate: we could have had a 2 month delay in the summer last year, for example, with few to no additional deaths.
I agree it’s worth paying extra right now, I was only highlighting that we have to. I think it’s worth it at any cost, but someone will be counting the beans and any additional cost will be clawed back somehow. It’s probably a very small part of the cost of Covid, so not an issue. We will be paying more for medicines forthwith as a matter of course though; inevitable when having less purchasing power that the EU. That’s ok I suppose, but just more pressure on NHS budgets. | |
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| The fall of the EU is close on 21:18 - Jan 30 with 1410 views | Seablu |
| The fall of the EU is close on 20:58 - Jan 30 by 26_Paz |
Ah, I see you’ve decided to join us with some abuse |
You’re very easy to track down, mate.
If there’s a pile of unwelcome poo somewhere, you’ll be crawling all over it like a hyperactive bluebottle in a high-viz waistcoat.
How are things with you sweetheart? | | | |
| The fall of the EU is close on 21:20 - Jan 30 with 1407 views | 26_Paz |
| The fall of the EU is close on 21:18 - Jan 30 by Seablu |
You’re very easy to track down, mate.
If there’s a pile of unwelcome poo somewhere, you’ll be crawling all over it like a hyperactive bluebottle in a high-viz waistcoat.
How are things with you sweetheart? |
More vile abuse. | |
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| The fall of the EU is close on 21:36 - Jan 30 with 1380 views | Seablu |
| The fall of the EU is close on 21:20 - Jan 30 by 26_Paz |
More vile abuse. |
Context,sweetheart.
Steaming,fetid bogs and flies support our great ecosystem.
You’re playing your part. | | | |
| The fall of the EU is close on 21:44 - Jan 30 with 1365 views | 26_Paz |
| The fall of the EU is close on 21:36 - Jan 30 by Seablu |
Context,sweetheart.
Steaming,fetid bogs and flies support our great ecosystem.
You’re playing your part. |
The worst part is that you seem proud of your abusive bullying | |
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| The fall of the EU is close on 22:17 - Jan 30 with 1327 views | Seablu |
| The fall of the EU is close on 21:44 - Jan 30 by 26_Paz |
The worst part is that you seem proud of your abusive bullying |
Almost as excited as you are dangling your rod in the pond of decency hoping for a bite.
When I was a naive teenager, I also enjoyed trying to antagonise the grown-ups.
Even you will eventually get a mate, a job, some responsibility & some knowledge of the topics you currently spout a load of ignorant nonsense about.
Until that happens, have you considered Instagram or Twitter. Much better use of your busy and eager little fingers. | | | |
| The fall of the EU is close on 22:24 - Jan 30 with 1306 views | 26_Paz |
| The fall of the EU is close on 22:17 - Jan 30 by Seablu |
Almost as excited as you are dangling your rod in the pond of decency hoping for a bite.
When I was a naive teenager, I also enjoyed trying to antagonise the grown-ups.
Even you will eventually get a mate, a job, some responsibility & some knowledge of the topics you currently spout a load of ignorant nonsense about.
Until that happens, have you considered Instagram or Twitter. Much better use of your busy and eager little fingers. |
I’m 33. | |
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