| Now on Sky News front page............ on 12:06 - Feb 16 with 2173 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Is this report factual?
12 flares thrown into the training ground?
Signage set fire to that needed stamping out?
Staff safety put at risk?
It is different from the picture published and the video published on here. |  |
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| Now on Sky News front page............ on 12:11 - Feb 16 with 2125 views | LeBlue |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 12:06 - Feb 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Is this report factual?
12 flares thrown into the training ground?
Signage set fire to that needed stamping out?
Staff safety put at risk?
It is different from the picture published and the video published on here. |
It's Sky, so no, it's not factual.
They do enjoy the odd embellishment and sensationalism to their stories.
"Two disgruntled fans set off three flares near to the training ground, causing minimum disruption" just wouldn't get the clicks. |  | | |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 13:36 - Feb 16 with 1836 views | glasso |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 12:11 - Feb 16 by LeBlue |
It's Sky, so no, it's not factual.
They do enjoy the odd embellishment and sensationalism to their stories.
"Two disgruntled fans set off three flares near to the training ground, causing minimum disruption" just wouldn't get the clicks. |
you can hardly blame Sky News - it's a direct quote from the club!
I can't imagine there was anybody contactable from the other side to give their version of events... |  | | |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 13:44 - Feb 16 with 1798 views | lambchoppywaters |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 12:06 - Feb 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Is this report factual?
12 flares thrown into the training ground?
Signage set fire to that needed stamping out?
Staff safety put at risk?
It is different from the picture published and the video published on here. |
You don't seriously think there would be anything to be gained by saying that it was 4, 5 or 6 rather than 12?!!!
There either was or wasn't an attack at the training ground involving thrown incendiaries. Players would have no doubt been shaken up by this whichever way you look at it. It is counter-intuitive to do this from a fan perspective and anyone vindicating it should be banned from the stadium. | | | |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 13:49 - Feb 16 with 1748 views | WD19 |
A story about the protest against Lambert that somehow fails to mention Lambert....
......and his epic incompetence ..... |  | | |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 13:52 - Feb 16 with 1694 views | WD19 |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 13:44 - Feb 16 by lambchoppywaters |
You don't seriously think there would be anything to be gained by saying that it was 4, 5 or 6 rather than 12?!!!
There either was or wasn't an attack at the training ground involving thrown incendiaries. Players would have no doubt been shaken up by this whichever way you look at it. It is counter-intuitive to do this from a fan perspective and anyone vindicating it should be banned from the stadium. |
Excuse me a minute..........
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Makes sense. Thanks. | | | |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 13:53 - Feb 16 with 1678 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 13:44 - Feb 16 by lambchoppywaters |
You don't seriously think there would be anything to be gained by saying that it was 4, 5 or 6 rather than 12?!!!
There either was or wasn't an attack at the training ground involving thrown incendiaries. Players would have no doubt been shaken up by this whichever way you look at it. It is counter-intuitive to do this from a fan perspective and anyone vindicating it should be banned from the stadium. |
You are correct. The number of flares is not the question. A video showing 3 flares outside the training ground that were set off after a lot of smoke attracted the attention of Stuart Taylor. At no point did it show anything going over the fence, any signage catching fire or any risk to any staff.
Of course, it is possible that the video stops before all these things happen but why would Blue Action choose to do these things? Why would the club exaggerate and lie about them?
Somewhere amongst these reports lies the truth. If it is the club that is lying in order to discredit the fans who are calling for Lambert to go, that is a new low from a club on a massive downward trajectory. | |
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| Now on Sky News front page............ on 13:53 - Feb 16 with 1677 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 13:49 - Feb 16 by WD19 |
A story about the protest against Lambert that somehow fails to mention Lambert....
......and his epic incompetence ..... |
And that is the problem now. The story is the 'fire', not the manager |  | | |
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| Now on Sky News front page............ on 13:59 - Feb 16 with 1637 views | lambchoppywaters |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 13:53 - Feb 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
You are correct. The number of flares is not the question. A video showing 3 flares outside the training ground that were set off after a lot of smoke attracted the attention of Stuart Taylor. At no point did it show anything going over the fence, any signage catching fire or any risk to any staff.
Of course, it is possible that the video stops before all these things happen but why would Blue Action choose to do these things? Why would the club exaggerate and lie about them?
Somewhere amongst these reports lies the truth. If it is the club that is lying in order to discredit the fans who are calling for Lambert to go, that is a new low from a club on a massive downward trajectory. |
For heavens sake think about what you are saying! If this is the only way the club can get into the news it is a really diabolical state of affairs. Have some dignity. | | | |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 13:59 - Feb 16 with 1633 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 13:53 - Feb 16 by ElderGrizzly |
And that is the problem now. The story is the 'fire', not the manager |
... and why Blue Action should correct the misinformation asap (assuming it is). | |
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| Now on Sky News front page............ on 14:00 - Feb 16 with 1628 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 13:59 - Feb 16 by lambchoppywaters |
For heavens sake think about what you are saying! If this is the only way the club can get into the news it is a really diabolical state of affairs. Have some dignity. |
Thanks for confirming that you are just trolling. | |
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| Now on Sky News front page............ on 14:07 - Feb 16 with 1555 views | lambchoppywaters |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 14:00 - Feb 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Thanks for confirming that you are just trolling. |
You cant see the irony in that post can you!? | | | |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 14:18 - Feb 16 with 1502 views | Guthrum |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 13:44 - Feb 16 by lambchoppywaters |
You don't seriously think there would be anything to be gained by saying that it was 4, 5 or 6 rather than 12?!!!
There either was or wasn't an attack at the training ground involving thrown incendiaries. Players would have no doubt been shaken up by this whichever way you look at it. It is counter-intuitive to do this from a fan perspective and anyone vindicating it should be banned from the stadium. |
You're making it sound like a deliberate attempt to break into Playford Road and burn down buildings there.
Rather than a protest on a public footpath where the perhaps unwise use of flares caused accidental fire damage to stuff hung on the perimeter fence. |  |
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| Now on Sky News front page............ on 14:19 - Feb 16 with 1485 views | PhilTWTD |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 14:18 - Feb 16 by Guthrum |
You're making it sound like a deliberate attempt to break into Playford Road and burn down buildings there.
Rather than a protest on a public footpath where the perhaps unwise use of flares caused accidental fire damage to stuff hung on the perimeter fence. |
That poster does seem to be a troll so has been removed. |  | | |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 14:21 - Feb 16 with 1453 views | bluelagos |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 14:19 - Feb 16 by PhilTWTD |
That poster does seem to be a troll so has been removed. |
The banhammer strikes again :-) |  |
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| Now on Sky News front page............ on 14:45 - Feb 16 with 1349 views | Keaneish |
Good job they didn’t mention the damage to players lungs from smoke inhalation or the danger to life from setting flares off; it’s been some time since we’ve had that debate... |  |
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| Now on Sky News front page............ on 15:09 - Feb 16 with 1280 views | GeoffSentence |
Must be a slow news day, "small fire accidentally started, hurts no-one, causes a few minutes of minor disruption" , it's not earth shattering news is it. |  |
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| Now on Sky News front page............ on 15:45 - Feb 16 with 1202 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 14:18 - Feb 16 by Guthrum |
You're making it sound like a deliberate attempt to break into Playford Road and burn down buildings there.
Rather than a protest on a public footpath where the perhaps unwise use of flares caused accidental fire damage to stuff hung on the perimeter fence. |
Ref your final sentence...
I don't think there is much 'perhaps' about it... |  |
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| Now on Sky News front page............ on 16:10 - Feb 16 with 1130 views | HighgateBlue |
Imagine what most on here would rightly be saying if these were Millwall fans.
Many Town fans seem to think we've got a God-given right to success and respect, just because in the past, granted for an extended period, we were well-run and managed by decent, talented people with a smile on their face.
This behaviour is criminal thuggery. The fact that the people doing it want Paul Lambert out, and I agree with them on that passionately, doesn't change the fact that it was criminal thuggery. In the eyes of many people watching Sky and reading the news, this is now the image of Ipswich Town and its fans. This is the principal achievement of Blue Action so far.
I wonder what delights they have planned next... |  | | |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 16:13 - Feb 16 with 1117 views | GeoffSentence |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 16:10 - Feb 16 by HighgateBlue |
Imagine what most on here would rightly be saying if these were Millwall fans.
Many Town fans seem to think we've got a God-given right to success and respect, just because in the past, granted for an extended period, we were well-run and managed by decent, talented people with a smile on their face.
This behaviour is criminal thuggery. The fact that the people doing it want Paul Lambert out, and I agree with them on that passionately, doesn't change the fact that it was criminal thuggery. In the eyes of many people watching Sky and reading the news, this is now the image of Ipswich Town and its fans. This is the principal achievement of Blue Action so far.
I wonder what delights they have planned next... |
"think we have got a god given right to success" !!!!!!
By crikey you have an odd perception of 'success'. Most of us would just take not being constantly shlt and getting shltter every day. | |
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| Now on Sky News front page............ on 16:14 - Feb 16 with 1102 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 15:09 - Feb 16 by GeoffSentence |
Must be a slow news day, "small fire accidentally started, hurts no-one, causes a few minutes of minor disruption" , it's not earth shattering news is it. |
That's headline news for the EADT... |  |
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| Now on Sky News front page............ on 16:15 - Feb 16 with 1099 views | jayessess |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 16:10 - Feb 16 by HighgateBlue |
Imagine what most on here would rightly be saying if these were Millwall fans.
Many Town fans seem to think we've got a God-given right to success and respect, just because in the past, granted for an extended period, we were well-run and managed by decent, talented people with a smile on their face.
This behaviour is criminal thuggery. The fact that the people doing it want Paul Lambert out, and I agree with them on that passionately, doesn't change the fact that it was criminal thuggery. In the eyes of many people watching Sky and reading the news, this is now the image of Ipswich Town and its fans. This is the principal achievement of Blue Action so far.
I wonder what delights they have planned next... |
"Criminal thuggery".
Blimey, some people are constantly seeing barbarians at the gate, aren't they? |  |
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| Now on Sky News front page............ on 16:16 - Feb 16 with 1086 views | Ryorry |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 16:10 - Feb 16 by HighgateBlue |
Imagine what most on here would rightly be saying if these were Millwall fans.
Many Town fans seem to think we've got a God-given right to success and respect, just because in the past, granted for an extended period, we were well-run and managed by decent, talented people with a smile on their face.
This behaviour is criminal thuggery. The fact that the people doing it want Paul Lambert out, and I agree with them on that passionately, doesn't change the fact that it was criminal thuggery. In the eyes of many people watching Sky and reading the news, this is now the image of Ipswich Town and its fans. This is the principal achievement of Blue Action so far.
I wonder what delights they have planned next... |
Oh c'mon Highgate, I also think it was probably "unwise", but to describe it as "criminal thuggery" is way ott. |  |
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| Now on Sky News front page............ on 16:16 - Feb 16 with 1081 views | jeera |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 14:07 - Feb 16 by lambchoppywaters |
You cant see the irony in that post can you!? |
Neither could you.
Dignity was certainly not one of your specialities in your short forum career. |  |
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| Now on Sky News front page............ on 16:20 - Feb 16 with 1052 views | Ryorry |
| Now on Sky News front page............ on 16:15 - Feb 16 by jayessess |
"Criminal thuggery".
Blimey, some people are constantly seeing barbarians at the gate, aren't they? |
Reminds me of a rather good poem -
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/51294/waiting-for-the-barbarians
"Waiting for the Barbarians
BY C. P. CAVAFY
TRANSLATED BY EDMUND KEELEY
What are we waiting for, assembled in the forum?
The barbarians are due here today.
Why isn’t anything going on in the senate?
Why are the senators sitting there without legislating?
Because the barbarians are coming today.
What’s the point of senators making laws now?
Once the barbarians are here, they’ll do the legislating.
Why did our emperor get up so early,
and why is he sitting enthroned at the city’s main gate,
in state, wearing the crown?
Because the barbarians are coming today
and the emperor’s waiting to receive their leader.
He’s even got a scroll to give him,
loaded with titles, with imposing names.
Why have our two consuls and praetors come out today
wearing their embroidered, their scarlet togas?
Why have they put on bracelets with so many amethysts,
rings sparkling with magnificent emeralds?
Why are they carrying elegant canes
beautifully worked in silver and gold?
Because the barbarians are coming today
and things like that dazzle the barbarians.
Why don’t our distinguished orators turn up as usual
to make their speeches, say what they have to say?
Because the barbarians are coming today
and they’re bored by rhetoric and public speaking.
Why this sudden bewilderment, this confusion?
(How serious people’s faces have become.)
Why are the streets and squares emptying so rapidly,
everyone going home lost in thought?
Because night has fallen and the barbarians haven't come.
And some of our men just in from the border say
there are no barbarians any longer.
Now what’s going to happen to us without barbarians?
Those people were a kind of solution."
C. P. Cavafy, "Waiting for the Barbarians" from C.P. Cavafy: Collected Poems. Translated by Edmund Keeley and Philip Sherrard. Translation Copyright © 1975, 1992 by Edmund Keeley and Philip Sherrard. Reproduced with permission of Princeton University Press.
Source: C.P. Cavafy: Collected Poems (Princeton University Press, 1975) | |
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