| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad 13:25 - Mar 24 with 4401 views | TieDyedIn95 |
We keep reading about how this is Lambert's squad and therefore that’s one of the main reasons we’re now not able to make the playoffs this season or underperforming. In percentage terms that is incorrect, the majority of players were signed before Lambert's arrival. Of the 29 players on our books (not loans) presently just 9 of those were signed by Lambert. The majority of the squad was signed by Mick McCarthy (14).
If we’re looking at Lambert signings vs other managers, 69% of the current permanent playing squad we’re brought through by other managers. Looking at the list what is interesting is that the bulk of players we have were not only signed by a manager three appointments ago, you can see our policy of relying on relatively low fees, free transfers, and our youth system has had a long term and largely negative impact on the club's performance and status in the game. That’s of course not even looking at the many loans we currently have on the books (and have had under all of the managers here) which have further compounded our situation.
McCarthy has been somewhat vindicated since leaving here having success with Ireland and Cardiff however if you consider that he brought in the majority of these players who are largely failing to deliver in the third tier now, it doesn’t reflect particularly well on his legacy either. Hurst seems to have had a chunk more funding than Lambert got, however, we know that Hurst's signings were largely funded by the club offloading McGoldrick, Hyam, Bru, and through selling Webster, Waghorn, Garner, and Moore. Hurst rightly gets a lot of the blame for the situation we are in for targeting players well below the standard required for the Championship and spending frankly silly amounts of money on those players, but still relatively small beans by today's standards.
Signed by Lambert (31%)
1. Holy (Free Transfer)
2. Ward (Free Transfer)
3. Wilson (Free Transfer)
4. Norwood (Free Transfer)
5. Judge (Undisclosed Fee)
6. Vincent-Young (Undisclosed Fee)
7. Cornell (Free)
8. Hawkins (Free)
9. El Mizouni (Youth)
Signed by Hurst (17%)
1. Edwards (£700,000)
2. Jackson (£1million)
3. Nolan (£1million)
4. Nsiala (£1million)
5. Donacien (Undisclosed)
Signed by McCarthy (48%)
1. Wolfenden (Youth)
2. Skuse (Free Transfer)
3. Wright (Youth)
4. Lankester (Youth)
5. Bishop (Youth)
6. Nydham (Youth)
7. Sears (£100,000)
8. Downes (Youth)
9. Dozzell (Youth)
10. Drinnan (Free)
11. Kenlock (Youth)
12. Dobra (Youth)
13. Huws (Undisclosed)
14. Ndaba (Youth)
Signed by Jewell (3%)
1. Chambers (Free Transfer)
Looking at that it’s not exactly Lambert's squad and aside from having the second-largest wage budget over the last two seasons, we’ve hardly splashed out on additions either, instead of using our resources to fatten the squad with much of the same, probably due to our ongoing injury crisis and of course loans.
So reflecting on that, Cooks priority has to be to freshen up the bulk of the squad, cutting down on a lot of the bloat and bringing in quality over quantity. Given our strength in the financial department over our rivals, we should be more than able to afford 11 of the best players at this level, and 15-20 players overall good enough to win this league. To do this we need to fix our recruitment, and do away with the policy to rely on too many youth players and loans. The whole youth thing is a romantic hangover from the Robson days which really isn’t working because frankly, our academy is not producing. If that is the case we have to look elsewhere to bring in players good enough to get the club promoted and worry more about the youth system once we are back in the Championship and can realistically upgrade the academy.
Cook needs our support we cannot be in this position in a years’ time where we are placing all of the blame on the managers door again, we have done that far too many times in recent years. The problems at the club run far deeper than that, and if we really want it to change we really need to back Cook first and foremost to allow him the time and freedom to make it happen.
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 14:39 - Mar 24 with 1408 views | MrTown |
It's a mixture of Paul Hurst's and Paul Lambert's. Could you imagine to worse managers to spend your money and build you a squad over 3+ years.
Thank god we have a top class manager to get us out of this mess, I know I know, he's been here 4 weeks now, and we are not top of the league, Cook Out right? |  |
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 14:42 - Mar 24 with 1377 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 14:35 - Mar 24 by N2_Blue |
Hurst killed this club in 6 months!! The most disastrous managerial reign.
Sold some decent players (sure he may have not had a choice with some) and brought in absolute dross at considerable cost.
Lambert worked out terribly and proved inept and a poor coach but the biggest managerial disaster in the history of ITFC is Hurst....by a distance |
We lost our Top 5 goal scorers and our best defender in one summer. |  |
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 14:42 - Mar 24 with 1408 views | xrayspecs |
The composition of the squad today reflects decisions that Paul L made over 2 and a half years, who he signed, who he gave new deals too (I suspect all of those signed by McCarthy and Jewell) and who he let go.
You also cannot ignore the six loan signings that PL made this season either.
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 15:48 - Mar 24 with 1376 views | Pendejo |
Without any research whatsoever, my take on this...
There's only 2 players left signed by McCarthy for money (Sears, Huws) anyone else he spent money on was sold for profit... probably... Like I said no research. |  |
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 15:53 - Mar 24 with 1371 views | Churchman |
It doesn’t matter if McCarthy was the messiah or the Queen of Sheba when it comes to players and their contracts. He left 3 years ago. Lambert was here two and a half years and it’s his squad and team. Well the word ‘team’ is stretching it a bit. Shower thrown haphazardly together in the hope they’ll have enough to scrape a result is a better description.
Appalling Evans, starved of money, garbage inherited from the achingly awful Hurst; regardless of all that, Lambert should have done better. In two and a half years, he pulled together not a semblance of a team. Not a peep of one. Zippo. Strangers from a bloated, unbalanced squad milling about aimlessly. Talked a good game at the beginning but it was just that. He was all wind and p£ss.
It is Paul Lambert’s squad - an abject mess of a squad Cook is trying to clear up. |  | | |
| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 16:49 - Mar 24 with 1331 views | TieDyedIn95 |
| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 13:27 - Mar 24 by BlueBadger |
This is the most long winded and contrived 'it's all Mick's fault' yet. |
Obviously reading isn't your strong point. I am sorry you completely misunderstood it, I will try and write simply for you.
It's not Lamberts fault.
That about your IQ range? | |
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 16:50 - Mar 24 with 1332 views | Herbivore |
| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 16:49 - Mar 24 by TieDyedIn95 |
Obviously reading isn't your strong point. I am sorry you completely misunderstood it, I will try and write simply for you.
It's not Lamberts fault.
That about your IQ range? |
How is it not Lambert's fault? |  |
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 16:51 - Mar 24 with 1328 views | TieDyedIn95 |
| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 13:42 - Mar 24 by Herbivore |
We replaced Cresswell with Mings and immediately finished higher in the league the following season. |
By once place though if I recall. We dropped a single place when Mings left.
The more significant sale was Murphy, as although he was past his sell by date we had nothing to replace even an average goal scorer the season he was sold. | |
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 16:52 - Mar 24 with 1327 views | Swailsey |
| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 16:49 - Mar 24 by TieDyedIn95 |
Obviously reading isn't your strong point. I am sorry you completely misunderstood it, I will try and write simply for you.
It's not Lamberts fault.
That about your IQ range? |
You can argue that it's ME's fault too, but out of the managers, it's completely Lambert's squad and Lambert's fault. |  |
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 16:52 - Mar 24 with 1325 views | TieDyedIn95 |
| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 16:50 - Mar 24 by Herbivore |
How is it not Lambert's fault? |
He's not entirely responsible for the squad or the state of the club, neither was Mick or Hurst to a certain extent.
Neither will Cook be when everyone's calling for his head in 2 years. | |
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 16:52 - Mar 24 with 1325 views | footers |
| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 16:52 - Mar 24 by Swailsey |
You can argue that it's ME's fault too, but out of the managers, it's completely Lambert's squad and Lambert's fault. |
This is the football equivalent of the Tories still blaming Labour for the financial crash. |  |
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 16:59 - Mar 24 with 1316 views | jayessess |
| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 16:52 - Mar 24 by TieDyedIn95 |
He's not entirely responsible for the squad or the state of the club, neither was Mick or Hurst to a certain extent.
Neither will Cook be when everyone's calling for his head in 2 years. |
Hurst and Mick had the excuse that the budget wasn't especially competitive in the Championship. What's Lambert's excuse? |  |
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 17:01 - Mar 24 with 1314 views | Swailsey |
| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 16:59 - Mar 24 by jayessess |
Hurst and Mick had the excuse that the budget wasn't especially competitive in the Championship. What's Lambert's excuse? |
He's a moron and a crap football professional. | |
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 17:08 - Mar 24 with 1305 views | J2BLUE |
| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 16:49 - Mar 24 by TieDyedIn95 |
Obviously reading isn't your strong point. I am sorry you completely misunderstood it, I will try and write simply for you.
It's not Lamberts fault.
That about your IQ range? |
It's amazing that you have completely missed the point. It's not Cook's squad. That's the point. You can argue about Lambert all you want but Cook hasn't had a transfer window. So really you're arguing about a choice of words and not the actual point.
You've wasted a massive amount of effort taking something completely the wrong way. |  |
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 17:11 - Mar 24 with 1302 views | hype313 |
| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 17:08 - Mar 24 by J2BLUE |
It's amazing that you have completely missed the point. It's not Cook's squad. That's the point. You can argue about Lambert all you want but Cook hasn't had a transfer window. So really you're arguing about a choice of words and not the actual point.
You've wasted a massive amount of effort taking something completely the wrong way. |
They'll be another apology tomorrow. |  |
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 17:15 - Mar 24 with 1296 views | BlueBadger |
| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 16:49 - Mar 24 by TieDyedIn95 |
Obviously reading isn't your strong point. I am sorry you completely misunderstood it, I will try and write simply for you.
It's not Lamberts fault.
That about your IQ range? |
Mate, you're still trying to make excuses for our worst ever manager. Maybe wins aren't your strong point? [Post edited 24 Mar 2021 17:18]
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 17:22 - Mar 24 with 1279 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
4 transfer windows, with a lot of players he decided to keep still remarkably here, and it's not his squad?
Right. |  |
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 17:26 - Mar 24 with 1266 views | BlueBadger |
| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 17:22 - Mar 24 by Cheltenham_Blue |
4 transfer windows, with a lot of players he decided to keep still remarkably here, and it's not his squad?
Right. |
OP is definitely still in mourning for Free Beer and Improved Football. | |
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 17:31 - Mar 24 with 1256 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 17:26 - Mar 24 by BlueBadger |
OP is definitely still in mourning for Free Beer and Improved Football. |
Don't forget all the new grounds we've been able to visit.
We can add Cheltenham and Forest Green Rovers to that list next season. | |
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 17:31 - Mar 24 with 1257 views | J2BLUE |
Just off the top of my head and quickly checking the dates - New contacts under Lambert:
Lankester - January 2019
Bishop - February 2019
Ndaba - February 2019
Chambers - March 2019
Downes - March 2019
Sears - July 2019
Kenlock - July 2019
Dobra - May 2020
Woolfenden - July 2020
Dozzell - Dec 2020
Jackson - offered a new contract. Didn't sign it but that is meaningless in this context. [Post edited 24 Mar 2021 17:34]
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 17:39 - Mar 24 with 1247 views | happybeingblue |
you probably never watched ireland play in their euro qualifying campaign they were awful scored 7 goals in 8 games in a poor group incl gibraltar,mick left with a £1 million pay off they couldnt get him out quick enough :) and think his cardiff bubble has burst they will regret his yawn football fairly soon once the results dry up, but despite micks turgid style of football lambert and hurst were out of their depth big time! |  | | |
| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 17:39 - Mar 24 with 1247 views | footers |
| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 17:31 - Mar 24 by J2BLUE |
Just off the top of my head and quickly checking the dates - New contacts under Lambert:
Lankester - January 2019
Bishop - February 2019
Ndaba - February 2019
Chambers - March 2019
Downes - March 2019
Sears - July 2019
Kenlock - July 2019
Dobra - May 2020
Woolfenden - July 2020
Dozzell - Dec 2020
Jackson - offered a new contract. Didn't sign it but that is meaningless in this context. [Post edited 24 Mar 2021 17:34]
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So Lambert's squad is...
Holy
Cornell
Ward
Wilson
Woolfenden
Kenlock
Vincent-Young
Chambers
Bishop
Ndaba
Downes
Judge
El Mizouni
Dobra
Lankester
Dozzell
Sears
No wood
Hawkins
Jackson
Mick, you bastard. [Post edited 24 Mar 2021 17:46]
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 17:42 - Mar 24 with 1235 views | J2BLUE |
| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 17:39 - Mar 24 by footers |
So Lambert's squad is...
Holy
Cornell
Ward
Wilson
Woolfenden
Kenlock
Vincent-Young
Chambers
Bishop
Ndaba
Downes
Judge
El Mizouni
Dobra
Lankester
Dozzell
Sears
No wood
Hawkins
Jackson
Mick, you bastard. [Post edited 24 Mar 2021 17:46]
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You forgot Jackson. Once he offered him a deal he could never claim he wasn't part of his squad. Silly Lambert tantrum aside.
I'm sure there must be more as well.
Crediting Jewell for Chambers is laughable. Jewell didn't give him a nine year deal.
The OP isn't controversial, it's just bloody stupid. | |
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 17:47 - Mar 24 with 1221 views | footers |
| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 17:42 - Mar 24 by J2BLUE |
You forgot Jackson. Once he offered him a deal he could never claim he wasn't part of his squad. Silly Lambert tantrum aside.
I'm sure there must be more as well.
Crediting Jewell for Chambers is laughable. Jewell didn't give him a nine year deal.
The OP isn't controversial, it's just bloody stupid. |
If we're including promoted youth players as the OP has then Drinan is another.
It was a very silly OP and I'm not really sure what the point of it was, especially given the effort. | |
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| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 17:49 - Mar 24 with 1211 views | wkj |
| Controversial Opinion - This is not Paul Lamberts Squad on 17:39 - Mar 24 by footers |
So Lambert's squad is...
Holy
Cornell
Ward
Wilson
Woolfenden
Kenlock
Vincent-Young
Chambers
Bishop
Ndaba
Downes
Judge
El Mizouni
Dobra
Lankester
Dozzell
Sears
No wood
Hawkins
Jackson
Mick, you bastard. [Post edited 24 Mar 2021 17:46]
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My high school ex is pregnant with her first child -
She better not ask me for Child Support. |  |
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