| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy 08:43 - Apr 10 with 2505 views | bluelagos |
Just got asked by a poster if my view of P.P. would change if I aware of his introducing gift aid.
Couple of points. Firstly, yeah, I hadn't known that and that does sound like a good thing that benefited lots of charities. On a human level that sounds like a very good thing he achieved.
But that doesn't change his role, within an institution of privilege and what it represents. I won't be dothing my cap to him. My dislike of the royals is based on what they represent, not who they are.
And I stand by my point that people should be able to criticise his conduct if they chose. Why ever not?
The small bit on TV I watched on him was borderline stomach churning, making him out to be some super human hero. People of course are welcome to believe that propoganda if they chose. Other's are welcome to challenge it.
Seems to me quite a few monarchists are srruggling with the fact that an awful lot of people recognise the coverage for a 99 year old man is utterly ridiculous. [Post edited 10 Apr 2021 12:01]
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 10:37 - Apr 10 with 696 views | Radlett_blue |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 10:06 - Apr 10 by bluelagos |
Bbc Radio is definitely still on somber music, no upbeat stuff at all.
Whether that is until the mourning ends, guess we will find out. |
Chance for Morrissey to get back on the playlist. |  |
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 10:48 - Apr 10 with 677 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 10:37 - Apr 10 by Radlett_blue |
Chance for Morrissey to get back on the playlist. |
R.E.M.s ears must have pricked up too. [Post edited 10 Apr 2021 10:48]
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 10:52 - Apr 10 with 665 views | Guthrum |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 09:47 - Apr 10 by vapour_trail |
I’ve worked in the charity sector for twenty years.
Royal patronage genuinely makes no difference. None at all. And demands no commitment. It’s a name on a letterhead, and a waste of the print costs. |
Even for things like assembling committees and schmoozing potential major donors in large campaigns? Not that leveraging royal connections/influence was any significant part of the stuff I was involved in at the fundraising consultancy I worked for*, but it was sometimes a useful extra angle.
At least one of the Directors had worked with members of the Royal Famly, including Prince Philip.
* Kind of got the impression it was, in part, because of the extra work involved. |  |
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 10:55 - Apr 10 with 660 views | vapour_trail |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 10:52 - Apr 10 by Guthrum |
Even for things like assembling committees and schmoozing potential major donors in large campaigns? Not that leveraging royal connections/influence was any significant part of the stuff I was involved in at the fundraising consultancy I worked for*, but it was sometimes a useful extra angle.
At least one of the Directors had worked with members of the Royal Famly, including Prince Philip.
* Kind of got the impression it was, in part, because of the extra work involved. |
Where I work now, we’ve had the queen and now a more junior royal.
Genuinely, zero impact on the bottom line. |  |
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 11:11 - Apr 10 with 634 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 09:29 - Apr 10 by mikeybloo88 |
I'm a monarchist and I don't believe the Royals should be above fair criticism....but spouting that criticism as the man's body is still warm was classless and distasteful. I guess a 100 year old man like him has lived through a lot of changing times and attitudes, even quite probably changing his own views or re-evaluating some of his own past as he grew older, something some people might consider before being so keen on the day of his death to slap various damning labels on him. |
And none of us know him. Those that do have spoken of him as a warm and caring man. That kind of goes against the grain of the commentary of him being a raging racist doesn't it? (No doubt he has said some racist things, no denying that).
The coverage no doubt will be full on and cringeworthy if Diana's death was anything to go by. But it won't bother me as I wont watch it (rarely watch live tv anyway). But I will be tuning in to watch us later on - that's a bit higher in my priority of interests. |  |
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 11:18 - Apr 10 with 627 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 09:32 - Apr 10 by townblue |
"And I stand by my point that people should be able to criticise his conduct if they chose. Why ever not?"
I don't think people have an issue with this generally. It's just when it's the first comment people make when someone has died it's a bit unnecessary and distasteful.
I'm no fan of the royals, but I also don't feel the need to make that the key point when people are paying their respects. |
This is my first comment specifically on Prince Phillip's death on any platform.
I personally didn't feel comfortable airing anti-monarchist sentiment for the reasons you mention. Nor did I feel comfortable expressing my own opinions about the man himself. I also fee like if I did, the chances of someone who disagrees with my position actually reflecting on what I say would be slim to none.
I do feel, however, that the whole attitude of people not challenging the perception the media (both social and national) is wrong. By freely allowing a section of society to control the narrative and therefore control the discourse, we now have a huge amount resources (time, money, etc) dedicated to promoting him and the monarchy. The sheer inescapable scale of it amounts to a mass outpouring of propaganda and indoctrination, which frankly, I'm not comfortable with.
I feel dutybound to point this out, despite recognising, clearly, that he is part of a family and that family have lost him.
He did good in his life and he did bad in his life. Both are well documented and both should be clearly represented if they are going out on media platforms. And they should be represented in a non-excessive way. [Post edited 10 Apr 2021 11:20]
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 11:21 - Apr 10 with 624 views | Guthrum |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 10:55 - Apr 10 by vapour_trail |
Where I work now, we’ve had the queen and now a more junior royal.
Genuinely, zero impact on the bottom line. |
Interesting. Was that visits/opening stuff, or presiding over fundraising dinners (i.e. specific leverage)?
I was on the research/target identification side for major donors and there was much more emphasis on business/friendship networks and interest in things similar to the project at hand than any royal influence. | |
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 11:26 - Apr 10 with 619 views | Guthrum |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 10:20 - Apr 10 by Mullet |
Quite. We could do far more for people by dismantling the royals and the money wasted upon them and their hangers on.
It is essentially PR and propaganda for the institution as the monarchists so helpfully demonstrate. It was telling too that radio 4 was almost entirely landed gentry massaging the legacy of the bloke with vague platitudes.
Whilst it would be distasteful to rip apart anyone yesterday, this mss was manufactured fawning on loop proves what a farce they are in this day and age. |
Still not convinced we would save a lot, or that adding democracy to the role of Head of State really changes much, other than satisfying a few people's personal ambition.
For me, reforming the electoral system for the House of Commons, reducing the influence of political donors and sorting out the Lords are higher priorities, which will have more immediate effect on our daily lives. | |
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 11:29 - Apr 10 with 614 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 11:26 - Apr 10 by Guthrum |
Still not convinced we would save a lot, or that adding democracy to the role of Head of State really changes much, other than satisfying a few people's personal ambition.
For me, reforming the electoral system for the House of Commons, reducing the influence of political donors and sorting out the Lords are higher priorities, which will have more immediate effect on our daily lives. |
Agree with the second point | |
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 11:30 - Apr 10 with 619 views | vapour_trail |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 11:21 - Apr 10 by Guthrum |
Interesting. Was that visits/opening stuff, or presiding over fundraising dinners (i.e. specific leverage)?
I was on the research/target identification side for major donors and there was much more emphasis on business/friendship networks and interest in things similar to the project at hand than any royal influence. |
It was different when I came into the sector actually. That element of facilitating fundraising boards was more of a thing, and that did provide leverage.
You’ve got to be careful though, and consider the element of risk as well. The nspcc full stop campaign was fronted by Prince Andrew. That was a major kickstart for a huge campaign, but not a good look in retrospect. | |
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 11:35 - Apr 10 with 607 views | lowhouseblue |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 11:21 - Apr 10 by Guthrum |
Interesting. Was that visits/opening stuff, or presiding over fundraising dinners (i.e. specific leverage)?
I was on the research/target identification side for major donors and there was much more emphasis on business/friendship networks and interest in things similar to the project at hand than any royal influence. |
we've had them at the completion of projects /opening stuff stage. you need something to mark those points - as much internally as for donors. the royals make it much higher profile and much more of an event. they provide a focus of attention. i'm not sure you could represent it as money raised, but it does make lots of people feel good. |  |
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 11:41 - Apr 10 with 596 views | Guthrum |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 11:30 - Apr 10 by vapour_trail |
It was different when I came into the sector actually. That element of facilitating fundraising boards was more of a thing, and that did provide leverage.
You’ve got to be careful though, and consider the element of risk as well. The nspcc full stop campaign was fronted by Prince Andrew. That was a major kickstart for a huge campaign, but not a good look in retrospect. |
Yes, it was around 20 years ago I was involved in the sector. | |
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 11:44 - Apr 10 with 594 views | Mullet |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 11:26 - Apr 10 by Guthrum |
Still not convinced we would save a lot, or that adding democracy to the role of Head of State really changes much, other than satisfying a few people's personal ambition.
For me, reforming the electoral system for the House of Commons, reducing the influence of political donors and sorting out the Lords are higher priorities, which will have more immediate effect on our daily lives. |
Cut the head off the snake. Take out the royals, take back our land and resources and you can move on to the hangers on. |  |
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 12:38 - Apr 10 with 549 views | factual_blue |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 11:21 - Apr 10 by Guthrum |
Interesting. Was that visits/opening stuff, or presiding over fundraising dinners (i.e. specific leverage)?
I was on the research/target identification side for major donors and there was much more emphasis on business/friendship networks and interest in things similar to the project at hand than any royal influence. |
Admit it. You were a chugger, weren't you? |  |
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 13:13 - Apr 10 with 528 views | Guthrum |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 11:44 - Apr 10 by Mullet |
Cut the head off the snake. Take out the royals, take back our land and resources and you can move on to the hangers on. |
The land - as in the royal demesne - was formally taken in 1760, with all revenue since that date going into the government's coffers (but from which was paid a small stipend, exclusively for household expenses since 1830, the Civil List).
The duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall are estates in the same sense as any of the other landowning aristocrats, like Northumberland or Rutland. Balmoral and Sandringham were privately bought. Everything else is already owned by the nation. | |
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 13:16 - Apr 10 with 517 views | monytowbray |
BRITAIN 2011: Ha! Look at those silly North Koreans worshipping their oppressor’s death! So backwards!
BRITAIN 2021: ... |  |
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 13:17 - Apr 10 with 512 views | monytowbray |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 11:18 - Apr 10 by Kropotkin123 |
This is my first comment specifically on Prince Phillip's death on any platform.
I personally didn't feel comfortable airing anti-monarchist sentiment for the reasons you mention. Nor did I feel comfortable expressing my own opinions about the man himself. I also fee like if I did, the chances of someone who disagrees with my position actually reflecting on what I say would be slim to none.
I do feel, however, that the whole attitude of people not challenging the perception the media (both social and national) is wrong. By freely allowing a section of society to control the narrative and therefore control the discourse, we now have a huge amount resources (time, money, etc) dedicated to promoting him and the monarchy. The sheer inescapable scale of it amounts to a mass outpouring of propaganda and indoctrination, which frankly, I'm not comfortable with.
I feel dutybound to point this out, despite recognising, clearly, that he is part of a family and that family have lost him.
He did good in his life and he did bad in his life. Both are well documented and both should be clearly represented if they are going out on media platforms. And they should be represented in a non-excessive way. [Post edited 10 Apr 2021 11:20]
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I’ve largely avoided the internet for 24 hours for similar reasons. | |
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 13:24 - Apr 10 with 496 views | itfcjoe |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 10:06 - Apr 10 by bluelagos |
Bbc Radio is definitely still on somber music, no upbeat stuff at all.
Whether that is until the mourning ends, guess we will find out. |
Suffolk is going across to portman Road at 2pm (cue jokes about sombre atmosphere etc), but be interesting whether they just go back to normal when coverage finishes at 6pm |  |
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 13:29 - Apr 10 with 475 views | stonojnr |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 10:31 - Apr 10 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Try Smooth Radio. You'll save yourself an aneurism. |
or just play stuff from like your own record collection, sheesh are people that reliant on the BBC for their lives ?
I only noticed BBC4 wasnt on air because my recording of TOTP1990 didnt happen. but as Sky gives me 300+ other channels to pick from, Live & Let Die was on ITV4 last night, I found plenty of other stuff to watch had I wanted to, and if it all that had been switched off, Ive still got 500G (which is about 250hrs) of recorded shows on Sky+ to watch, literally hundreds of movies I could rent, theres Netflix, Amazon, Disney +, dvds, blu-rays.
and that doesnt even include any of the multihour video content creators on Youtube on movies, science, space, sport.
or you know what just go read a book.
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 13:30 - Apr 10 with 474 views | chicoazul |
I hope you all enjoy President Boris Johnson/David Cameron/Tony Blair in 30 years time and their inevitable “shocking” “terrible” actions with no checks and balances. |  |
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 13:34 - Apr 10 with 454 views | monytowbray |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 13:30 - Apr 10 by chicoazul |
I hope you all enjoy President Boris Johnson/David Cameron/Tony Blair in 30 years time and their inevitable “shocking” “terrible” actions with no checks and balances. |
What, like cronyism? Or the policing bill? Or invasion on a false narrative?
If that’s your benchmark for keeping the UK’s biggest immigrant spongers in power then I’ve got some bad news... [Post edited 10 Apr 2021 13:37]
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 13:35 - Apr 10 with 449 views | monytowbray |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 13:29 - Apr 10 by stonojnr |
or just play stuff from like your own record collection, sheesh are people that reliant on the BBC for their lives ?
I only noticed BBC4 wasnt on air because my recording of TOTP1990 didnt happen. but as Sky gives me 300+ other channels to pick from, Live & Let Die was on ITV4 last night, I found plenty of other stuff to watch had I wanted to, and if it all that had been switched off, Ive still got 500G (which is about 250hrs) of recorded shows on Sky+ to watch, literally hundreds of movies I could rent, theres Netflix, Amazon, Disney +, dvds, blu-rays.
and that doesnt even include any of the multihour video content creators on Youtube on movies, science, space, sport.
or you know what just go read a book.
I never understand why people always complain about this stuff. |
I only knew as saw on Twitter moments.
The rest of my day I didn’t hear a thing, luckily 99% of my mates and/or people I follow couldn’t give a f**k either. | |
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 14:04 - Apr 10 with 416 views | Mullet |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 13:13 - Apr 10 by Guthrum |
The land - as in the royal demesne - was formally taken in 1760, with all revenue since that date going into the government's coffers (but from which was paid a small stipend, exclusively for household expenses since 1830, the Civil List).
The duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall are estates in the same sense as any of the other landowning aristocrats, like Northumberland or Rutland. Balmoral and Sandringham were privately bought. Everything else is already owned by the nation. |
Forgive me Guffers for using a link or two but I feel maybe I’m not being clear. https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2019/apr/17/who-owns-england-thousand-secret-l
I’d start with a thorough investigation of liz as we remove her and then into her chums. There have been generations of dealing under the table and I’d nationalise the lot. Think of the jobs it’d generate. As well as the wealth.
I’ve never been in favour of the death penalty but it did Paris no harm in the tourism stakes. I’d let the windsors have a double stake on one estate and give the remaining lot back to the country, lock, stock and barrels of tax etc. The minor gentry can get on their bikes or work on the newly minted national trust sites etc.
Liz currently gets 15% of the profits I believe, on a chunk of land and rents bigger than any of us can imagine. I’d let her take 1% as her and her family’s wage (once she’s paid her tax on it in full) as a gesture. | |
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 14:14 - Apr 10 with 389 views | Guthrum |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 14:04 - Apr 10 by Mullet |
Forgive me Guffers for using a link or two but I feel maybe I’m not being clear. https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2019/apr/17/who-owns-england-thousand-secret-l
I’d start with a thorough investigation of liz as we remove her and then into her chums. There have been generations of dealing under the table and I’d nationalise the lot. Think of the jobs it’d generate. As well as the wealth.
I’ve never been in favour of the death penalty but it did Paris no harm in the tourism stakes. I’d let the windsors have a double stake on one estate and give the remaining lot back to the country, lock, stock and barrels of tax etc. The minor gentry can get on their bikes or work on the newly minted national trust sites etc.
Liz currently gets 15% of the profits I believe, on a chunk of land and rents bigger than any of us can imagine. I’d let her take 1% as her and her family’s wage (once she’s paid her tax on it in full) as a gesture. |
Problem with that is they've included in the royal figures the Crown Estate - which is run by an independent Commission and all revenue goes directly to the Treasury, not the family.
All round land reform is another thing which needs looking at. Tho much of it is let out to farmers and other tenants. | |
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| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 14:19 - Apr 10 with 378 views | Mullet |
| Fao Tiptree Blue. Prince Phillip's legacy on 14:14 - Apr 10 by Guthrum |
Problem with that is they've included in the royal figures the Crown Estate - which is run by an independent Commission and all revenue goes directly to the Treasury, not the family.
All round land reform is another thing which needs looking at. Tho much of it is let out to farmers and other tenants. |
It does and there are several conflicts, but even the reports which differ show the overall problems. At a time when we have the most backward and corrupt government, celebrating and excusing the most backward institutions seems fitting I guess. But for me I’d dismantle the lot yesterday and pump the lot into reducing poverty. | |
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